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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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 Posted - 15 Mar 2006 : 23:46:53
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Finally got my copy, really good overall. May WOTC gives Ed and Eric more opportunities to work together!
Little things I disliked :
A bit thin on ELH specific-content. (Was Inferno created for it?)
Inferno dates back to FOR1 - Draconomicon [1e]. He's always been the "baddest" dragon in the Realms.
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Too much emphasis on Heroes of Battle stuff.
The only emphasis is in the Battle chapter, IMO. We decided that most purchasers would be disappointed if we reiterated a whole new set of rules for fighting battles or if we ignored HoB.
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I was a bit sad to see no updates on the banite Mintar battlefield.
I tried to give updates on all the "hot zones", and that one didn't quite make the cut. That said, there's a bit of info in Dragons of Faerun on this ongoing strife (assuming it survives the editor's knife).
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 00:10:14
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
I tried to give updates on all the "hot zones", and that one didn't quite make the cut. That said, there's a bit of info in Dragons of Faerun on this ongoing strife (assuming it survives the editor's knife).
I know for HoR, it's a personal thing 
If the same thing happens, cumulated info could made a nice add-on somewhere... 
Oh, old Draconomicon, *blow the dust over it* ! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36874 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 01:59:50
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Day 2 Plan: Release the miniature giant space hamsters, forcing the Wooly One to spend the day rounding them up (and thereby not get around to the infamous page 28). Back-up Plan: Drive off the Fed-Ex Man with the Miniature Giant Space Hamster SWARM!!!!
--Eric
Ha ha! Your dastardly little plan has failed! Not only are all my Miniature Giant Space Hamsters present and accounted for, but I now have the book in my hand! 
Apparently, my FLGS still doesn't have it, and when I called at 5, they had no idea what was up with it... So I called Barnes & Noble. They had it, and since I had a coupon for 15% off, on top of the 10% off for the membership card, I made an expedition up to there.
All I've had a chance to look at was the infamous page 28 spoiler, and it really didn't surprise me too much. I'd look thru the book more, but I've got some editing to do... |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 03:06:05
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| With regard to the notorious page 28, I found the paragraph dealing with the war in Unther far more eye opening. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 03:22:51
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A question for Eric, but I'm pretty sure you won't answer
Who took the decision to "undo" the death of Eltan and Scar from the Baldur's Gates novels ? Ref. p.83.
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 03:35:41
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Originally posted by Sarta
With regard to the notorious page 28, I found the paragraph dealing with the war in Unther far more eye opening.
For my part, it was the Moander one. |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:11:04
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STOP IT!!  this is torture..too many hints at Realmslore.
I won't be getting my copy till tomorrow. 
firk, grumble, first, I look at page 28 to see the fuss, then look for Unther, third Moander...
sigh..... so much Realmslore... <drool>
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:27:13
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Originally posted by Skeptic
A question for Eric, but I'm pretty sure you won't answer
Who took the decision to "undo" the death of Eltan and Scar from the Baldur's Gates novels ? Ref. p.83.
does it acknowledge that they died in the first place? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:37:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth
does it acknowledge that they died in the first place?
Yes; their death is "undone" by resurrection. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:41:30
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Dargoth
does it acknowledge that they died in the first place?
Yes; their death is "undone" by resurrection.
So theres actually mention of Bhaalspawn saga events in PoF? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:48:25
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Originally posted by Dargoth
So theres actually mention of Bhaalspawn saga events in PoF?
Yes, although no Bhaalspawn are actually mentioned. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:51:24
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:55:19
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Dies ut say anything about Sardash?
Presuming you mean Saradush, not that I can find. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2089 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:58:13
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Originally posted by Skeptic
A question for Eric, but I'm pretty sure you won't answer
Who took the decision to "undo" the death of Eltan and Scar from the Baldur's Gates novels ? Ref. p.83.
Who wrote the section? Me.
Who brought Eltan back? FRCS [3e], p. 225.
Who brought Scar back? Me / By implication from above.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 05:20:31
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Smirks at the mention of the events from the Bhaalspawn novels.
Well, well, well, there's two sourcebooks in 3/3.5e that mentions those events now plus the slew of 2e material.
But of course, those events aren't canon. Rolls eyes. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 05:30:52
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
720 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 05:31:17
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this tome is the most weirdly written tome ive ever seen. and ive read my fair share of S&S. the incredible use of parenthesis is astounding. im still reading it. (i was pleasantly surprised to see it show up in my mailbox today!!!)
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 05:45:01
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
this tome is the most weirdly written tome ive ever seen. and ive read my fair share of S&S. the incredible use of parenthesis is astounding. im still reading it. (i was pleasantly surprised to see it show up in my mailbox today!!!)
Yes it is written very very differently than any of the other books. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 06:33:15
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Originally posted by Kuje
Smirks at the mention of the events from the Bhaalspawn novels.
Well, well, well, there's two sourcebooks in 3/3.5e that mentions those events now plus the slew of 2e material.
But of course, those events aren't canon. Rolls eyes.
Indeed.
There can't be much more in the way of doubt about the "supposed" canon validity of the Bhaalspawn events from those who have continued to claim otherwise  .
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 06:40:35
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 07:10:17
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Dies ut say anything about Sardash?
Just found something; a herald for Saradush is listed. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 07:44:35
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Dies ut say anything about Sardash?
Just found something; a herald for Saradush is listed.
We've had a herald for saradush since Code of the Harpers.
Any mention of a new High herald? Inquiring minds want to know ...
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Torkwaret
Seeker
Poland
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 10:09:25
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Could someone (Arivia ?? ) spoil me something (by pm if you don't want it to "dirty the scroll"):
1. Are there any interesting high-level (above 20) npc's in the book ??
2. Who is this Mhair Gulzrabban shown in the Art Gallery ??
Thanks !! |
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nbnmare
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
205 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 12:39:18
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Originally posted by Skeptic
Now that those 2 are officialy back, I can say I accept the novels as canon
Hmm, so that means some of the joinable character from the BG series could now be considered cannon characters .
Out of interest, does anyone know which NPCs from the games actually feature in the novels? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 13:09:50
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One of the guys over at Enworld said there where some rather bad editing problems in PoF
"Within 10 minutes of reading the book I found major problems with one of the prestige classes, the Herald.
1. It doesn't have a BAB or save progression.
2. It doesn't list the hit die granted.
3. It has a table labeled 'Court Herald Spells Known', but doesn't detail spells per day.
4. It only has 11 levels of progression in the 'Spells Known' table. It has a power listed at level 12. That power, 'you gain spell resistance equal to your character level', is effectively useless. You can't get this power until you're at least character level 19. What good is SR19 to a 19th level character?
In short, the prestige class, as published, is completely unplayable."
Later on Mike Mearls (THE WOTC editor for PoF)posted the following
"The buck for any errors made in this book stops with me. I'm out of the office right now (working at home with a bad cold), but when I get back in I'll see about the process we have for errata.
I can say that, in the case of the NPCs, many of them have levels assigned based on what they do in the novels or other story considerations."
By the way is there any Banite goodness in PoF? |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 13:22:35
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| Banites play a role in the Old empires battle. The Banites of the Lake of Steam didn't make the cut as said earlier by Eric. |
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
USA
357 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 13:30:35
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Horray for Moander! I'd love to see him eat a few choice chunks of power and come raging back. That was my favorite teaser bit.
Haven't finished reading it yet, as I'm splitting my reading time between the new Tome of Magic, PoF and the 5th WotSQ book. |
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BobROE
Learned Scribe
Canada
106 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 16:25:01
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Originally posted by Dargoth
One of the guys over at Enworld said there where some rather bad editing problems in PoF
"Within 10 minutes of reading the book I found major problems with one of the prestige classes, the Herald.
1. It doesn't have a BAB or save progression.
2. It doesn't list the hit die granted.
3. It has a table labeled 'Court Herald Spells Known', but doesn't detail spells per day.
4. It only has 11 levels of progression in the 'Spells Known' table. It has a power listed at level 12. That power, 'you gain spell resistance equal to your character level', is effectively useless. You can't get this power until you're at least character level 19. What good is SR19 to a 19th level character?
In short, the prestige class, as published, is completely unplayable."
It's not a complete mess, the only real problem is that it's lacking a 12th level of spells known and a spells per day table. Otherwise it says it's a modification of the Lorekeeper PrC, so you're suppose to refer to it for most of that stuff. I'd say they were just trying a different way of printing PrC's that didn't really work to well.
There are a number of editing issues in the Border Kingdoms chapter with respect to postscript references to other books, in a lot of cases they aren't postscripted properly and in most cases they're not the most recent reference to a monster (ie they all refer to Monsters of Faerun when a bunch have been reprinted in Lost Empires) |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 16:58:54
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Originally posted by George Krashos
We've had a herald for saradush since Code of the Harpers.
indeed.
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Any mention of a new High herald? Inquiring minds want to know ...
-- George Krashos
Nope.
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Originally posted by Torkwaret
Could someone (Arivia ?? ) spoil me something (by pm if you don't want it to "dirty the scroll"):
1. Are there any interesting high-level (above 20) npc's in the book ??
Yes.
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2. Who is this Mhair Gulzrabban shown in the Art Gallery ??
Thanks !!
Mhair leads the Company of the Cloak, a presented rival adventuring party.
Regarding the Court Herald prestige class: It also needs a class progression table and a 12th level of spells known. That's it, actually. |
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Kaysae
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 18:01:36
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I only have one question for Eric (if he's still checking the thread) or a scribe that can point it out for me.
It's minor really, but, why did the Sythillisian Empire become the Sothillisian Empire? It's been that way since 2E, it just struck me as incredibly odd.
Also, I hope the reprecussions of Final Gate are addressed fairly soonish (either more novels or a game update), because that really can't just be left to sit there (like the Return of the Archwizards has). |
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