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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 11:14:47
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Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight
still, if he's got a sudden interest, why assume his hatred of Elves will stick? maybe he'll actually enjoy the Songs & Swords series? Danillo Thann and Arylin Moonblade are interesting characters, as is Khelben. and also that Dwarf girl, I forget her name at the moment...
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 12:03:25
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Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight
heh. Elain, don't knock it so quickly. XD life is short, aye, that's why you shoul take the opportunities to try new things whn you feel a sudden pull. for example, you say you don't like westrns, but I can guaruntee you that Clint Eastwood stars in (and I think directs all) five Westerns that just may blow you away. moving stories, gripping scenes, and some of the most epic lines I've ever heard. happy endings, sad endings, and bittersweet endings.
also, one of my favourite personal lines of Westerns are the Doc Holiday films. what a character, Doc Holiday... there's Clementine, and Gunfight at the O.K. Corrale. there's also Tombstone, but I don't know what number that one is, I'm guessing it's the first or second. I know that Gunfight at the O.K. Corrale is the last one.
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I didn't say that I didn't like western movies; in fact, I thought the remake of "True Grit" was a remarkable film. I don't read western BOOKS. Louis L'Amour, Zane Grey, and so on. There's a genre called "westerns," just as there's a genre called "fantasy." It's not as active as it used to be, but some genres tend to come in cycles. (Remember the family saga? That was big for a while.)
Western settings in sub-genres don't hold much appeal, either. There are several well-known romance writers who specialize in steamy cowboys. Some people like that sort of thing. I hold nothing against them. I'd just rather read something else.
On the other hand, I probably will see "Cowboys and Aliens," which brings the books vs. movies theme full circle.
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ChieftainTwilight
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 08:18:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight
still, if he's got a sudden interest, why assume his hatred of Elves will stick? maybe he'll actually enjoy the Songs & Swords series? Danillo Thann and Arylin Moonblade are interesting characters, as is Khelben. and also that Dwarf girl, I forget her name at the moment...
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yeh, that's it! :D I enjoyed her alot! ^_^ |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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ChieftainTwilight
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 08:20:17
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight
heh. Elain, don't knock it so quickly. XD life is short, aye, that's why you shoul take the opportunities to try new things whn you feel a sudden pull. for example, you say you don't like westrns, but I can guaruntee you that Clint Eastwood stars in (and I think directs all) five Westerns that just may blow you away. moving stories, gripping scenes, and some of the most epic lines I've ever heard. happy endings, sad endings, and bittersweet endings.
also, one of my favourite personal lines of Westerns are the Doc Holiday films. what a character, Doc Holiday... there's Clementine, and Gunfight at the O.K. Corrale. there's also Tombstone, but I don't know what number that one is, I'm guessing it's the first or second. I know that Gunfight at the O.K. Corrale is the last one.
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I didn't say that I didn't like western movies; in fact, I thought the remake of "True Grit" was a remarkable film. I don't read western BOOKS. Louis L'Amour, Zane Grey, and so on. There's a genre called "westerns," just as there's a genre called "fantasy." It's not as active as it used to be, but some genres tend to come in cycles. (Remember the family saga? That was big for a while.)
Western settings in sub-genres don't hold much appeal, either. There are several well-known romance writers who specialize in steamy cowboys. Some people like that sort of thing. I hold nothing against them. I'd just rather read something else.
On the other hand, I probably will see "Cowboys and Aliens," which brings the books vs. movies theme full circle.
keheh. >w< you do that. summarize it for me if ya get the chance please, but don't spoil the ending for me. |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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ChieftainTwilight
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 08:20:52
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by ChieftainTwilight
heh. Elain, don't knock it so quickly. XD life is short, aye, that's why you shoul take the opportunities to try new things whn you feel a sudden pull. for example, you say you don't like westrns, but I can guaruntee you that Clint Eastwood stars in (and I think directs all) five Westerns that just may blow you away. moving stories, gripping scenes, and some of the most epic lines I've ever heard. happy endings, sad endings, and bittersweet endings.
also, one of my favourite personal lines of Westerns are the Doc Holiday films. what a character, Doc Holiday... there's Clementine, and Gunfight at the O.K. Corrale. there's also Tombstone, but I don't know what number that one is, I'm guessing it's the first or second. I know that Gunfight at the O.K. Corrale is the last one.
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I didn't say that I didn't like western movies; in fact, I thought the remake of "True Grit" was a remarkable film. I don't read western BOOKS. Louis L'Amour, Zane Grey, and so on. There's a genre called "westerns," just as there's a genre called "fantasy." It's not as active as it used to be, but some genres tend to come in cycles. (Remember the family saga? That was big for a while.)
Western settings in sub-genres don't hold much appeal, either. There are several well-known romance writers who specialize in steamy cowboys. Some people like that sort of thing. I hold nothing against them. I'd just rather read something else.
On the other hand, I probably will see "Cowboys and Aliens," which brings the books vs. movies theme full circle.
keheh. >w< you do that. summarize it for me if ya get the chance please, but don't spoil the ending for me. |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 05:02:48
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 05:39:50
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Who's Kymil Nimesin?
He was the gold elf responsible for the death of Arilyn's mother. See Elfshadow and 2e's Villains' Lorebook. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 05:57:25
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I see. Another elf.
Thanks, Sage. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 06:28:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dennis
Who's Kymil Nimesin?
He was the gold elf responsible for the death of Arilyn's mother. See Elfshadow and 2e's Villains' Lorebook.
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ChieftainTwilight
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 06:47:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dennis
Who's Kymil Nimesin?
He was the gold elf responsible for the death of Arilyn's mother. See Elfshadow and 2e's Villains' Lorebook.
yeh, that dude was an A-hole, but he didn't have enough staying power, not enough pizaz. |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 11:22:42
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I wonder why Larloch didn't make it on the list. Perhaps because no one really knows what he's up to, then and now?
I guess the poll's title should be changed to "Most Likeable Villain," as most scribes voted their favorites, which are not necessarily the greatest. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 May 2011 : 23:50:57
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Originally posted by Dennis
I wonder why Larloch didn't make it on the list. Perhaps because no one really knows what he's up to, then and now?
I guess the poll's title should be changed to "Most Likeable Villain," as most scribes voted their favorites, which are not necessarily the greatest.
Larloch is one of the most powerful baddies in FR, but he pretty much stays reclusive and does not affect the world on a grand scale that we know of.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 May 2011 : 04:42:51
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Because you qualify it with "that we know of," I'm fine with it. I guess I'm just eager to know what exactly he is up to. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 19:10:08
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| Entreri all the way |
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AdamBridger
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 11:48:02
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Entreri all the way
I have never really viewed him as a true villain. Sure he has been an oppenent of Drizzt for a long time and has done some despicable things but I don't think that he is wholly evil. He is a very dark character who has partially damned himself but not completely - in my mind there is still a small chance of some redemption for him.
By the way I haven't yet managed to read the Transitions Trilogy or the Neverwinter Books as of yet, so if you feel the need to correct me try to not give too much away |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 16:06:49
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Entreri all the way
I have never really viewed him as a true villain. Sure he has been an oppenent of Drizzt for a long time and has done some despicable things but I don't think that he is wholly evil. He is a very dark character who has partially damned himself but not completely - in my mind there is still a small chance of some redemption for him.
By the way I haven't yet managed to read the Transitions Trilogy or the Neverwinter Books as of yet, so if you feel the need to correct me try to not give too much away
I also have yet to read Transitions or Neverwinter. I have loved Entreri ever since he kidnapped Cattie-brie at the end of the Crystal Shard. I also really don't view him as a "villian" but maybe more of an anti-hero. Poe-tay-toe/ Poe-ta-toe maybe but he has always stood out for me. I would LOVE to see a trilogy dedicated to Entreri alone. |
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Merrith
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Aug 2011 : 04:53:48
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Entreri all the way
I have never really viewed him as a true villain. Sure he has been an oppenent of Drizzt for a long time and has done some despicable things but I don't think that he is wholly evil. He is a very dark character who has partially damned himself but not completely - in my mind there is still a small chance of some redemption for him.
By the way I haven't yet managed to read the Transitions Trilogy or the Neverwinter Books as of yet, so if you feel the need to correct me try to not give too much away
I also have yet to read Transitions or Neverwinter. I have loved Entreri ever since he kidnapped Cattie-brie at the end of the Crystal Shard. I also really don't view him as a "villian" but maybe more of an anti-hero. Poe-tay-toe/ Poe-ta-toe maybe but he has always stood out for me. I would LOVE to see a trilogy dedicated to Entreri alone.
As far as I remember Entreri makes no appearance in the Transitions trilogy. Having read Gauntlgrym, and ESPECIALLY having seen the cover of Neverwinter coming out in 2 months if you like Entreri or want to know his fate...I would suggest picking them up. I was thoroughly tired of the Drizzt saga after Transitions, but Gauntlgrym took it in a pleasant new direction, with hints at big things to come. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Aug 2011 : 14:30:40
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Originally posted by Merrith
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Entreri all the way
I have never really viewed him as a true villain. Sure he has been an oppenent of Drizzt for a long time and has done some despicable things but I don't think that he is wholly evil. He is a very dark character who has partially damned himself but not completely - in my mind there is still a small chance of some redemption for him.
By the way I haven't yet managed to read the Transitions Trilogy or the Neverwinter Books as of yet, so if you feel the need to correct me try to not give too much away
I also have yet to read Transitions or Neverwinter. I have loved Entreri ever since he kidnapped Cattie-brie at the end of the Crystal Shard. I also really don't view him as a "villian" but maybe more of an anti-hero. Poe-tay-toe/ Poe-ta-toe maybe but he has always stood out for me. I would LOVE to see a trilogy dedicated to Entreri alone.
As far as I remember Entreri makes no appearance in the Transitions trilogy. Having read Gauntlgrym, and ESPECIALLY having seen the cover of Neverwinter coming out in 2 months if you like Entreri or want to know his fate...I would suggest picking them up. I was thoroughly tired of the Drizzt saga after Transitions, but Gauntlgrym took it in a pleasant new direction, with hints at big things to come.
Both series are definitely on my reading list, just trying to catch up on some other series first |
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AdamBridger
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Aug 2011 : 18:37:50
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Merrith
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Entreri all the way
I have never really viewed him as a true villain. Sure he has been an oppenent of Drizzt for a long time and has done some despicable things but I don't think that he is wholly evil. He is a very dark character who has partially damned himself but not completely - in my mind there is still a small chance of some redemption for him.
By the way I haven't yet managed to read the Transitions Trilogy or the Neverwinter Books as of yet, so if you feel the need to correct me try to not give too much away
I also have yet to read Transitions or Neverwinter. I have loved Entreri ever since he kidnapped Cattie-brie at the end of the Crystal Shard. I also really don't view him as a "villian" but maybe more of an anti-hero. Poe-tay-toe/ Poe-ta-toe maybe but he has always stood out for me. I would LOVE to see a trilogy dedicated to Entreri alone.
As far as I remember Entreri makes no appearance in the Transitions trilogy. Having read Gauntlgrym, and ESPECIALLY having seen the cover of Neverwinter coming out in 2 months if you like Entreri or want to know his fate...I would suggest picking them up. I was thoroughly tired of the Drizzt saga after Transitions, but Gauntlgrym took it in a pleasant new direction, with hints at big things to come.
Both series are definitely on my reading list, just trying to catch up on some other series first
Same here. So many books to read and so little time in my day . It's actually becoming a real challenge on what to read next and what to put in the 'to-read' pile. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 14:13:09
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Merrith
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Entreri all the way
I have never really viewed him as a true villain. Sure he has been an oppenent of Drizzt for a long time and has done some despicable things but I don't think that he is wholly evil. He is a very dark character who has partially damned himself but not completely - in my mind there is still a small chance of some redemption for him.
By the way I haven't yet managed to read the Transitions Trilogy or the Neverwinter Books as of yet, so if you feel the need to correct me try to not give too much away
I also have yet to read Transitions or Neverwinter. I have loved Entreri ever since he kidnapped Cattie-brie at the end of the Crystal Shard. I also really don't view him as a "villian" but maybe more of an anti-hero. Poe-tay-toe/ Poe-ta-toe maybe but he has always stood out for me. I would LOVE to see a trilogy dedicated to Entreri alone.
As far as I remember Entreri makes no appearance in the Transitions trilogy. Having read Gauntlgrym, and ESPECIALLY having seen the cover of Neverwinter coming out in 2 months if you like Entreri or want to know his fate...I would suggest picking them up. I was thoroughly tired of the Drizzt saga after Transitions, but Gauntlgrym took it in a pleasant new direction, with hints at big things to come.
Both series are definitely on my reading list, just trying to catch up on some other series first
Same here. So many books to read and so little time in my day. It's actually becoming a real challenge on what to read next and what to put in the 'to-read' pile.
I feel the same way. Currently i am halfway through the Haunted Lands trilogy and there are 3 or 4 different Realms series i want to read next. Decisions Decisions! |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2012 : 05:04:23
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I see the males far outnumber the females in the poll. Likely no fault of the OP, but, this just shows that the villainy of females is very much downplayed. |
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Madpig
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 19:48:31
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| My personal faovorite was Ghost. I dont even know why, but he just had it. I only wish there would have been more written on him, than the puny part he played in Nighmasks. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2012 : 23:43:51
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| Gotta be Larloch |
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 00:10:06
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My boy is smalltime compared to the options on the poll: King Obould Many-Arrows (from The Hunter's Blades/Transitions).
He united a largely chaotic mass into a coherent force, managed to match Drizzt in combat, and was wise enough to rise above his more bestial inclinations. I consider him a villain because of the frontiers' folk who were preyed upon by his armies. He is a sort of necessary villain. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 03:10:10
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Gotta be Larloch
Dunno if he can be considered a villain. He just sits in his keep conducting experiments confident that he could take any and everyone who bothers him in his home. Well, he does not really need to since he can just shoo his 60 servitor liches at them, or the high level vamps or other undead he has at his command.
But on a villain scale, he does not really bother anyone.
guys like Manshoon are much weaker, but he created an organization that is widespread and evil. Or the shades....Or Szass Tam, etc |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 16:37:01
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| "Ghost" from The Cleric Quintet. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2012 : 16:52:26
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Gotta be Larloch
Dunno if he can be considered a villain. He just sits in his keep conducting experiments confident that he could take any and everyone who bothers him in his home. Well, he does not really need to since he can just shoo his 60 servitor liches at them, or the high level vamps or other undead he has at his command.
But on a villain scale, he does not really bother anyone.
guys like Manshoon are much weaker, but he created an organization that is widespread and evil. Or the shades....Or Szass Tam, etc
I see your point, but I happen to think he is working on something quite villainous and not looking to commit petty villain-ish deeds until unfolding his whole plan,
Or knowing Ed, Larloch could be spending eons trying to domesticate giant space hamsters for the benefit of all Faerun |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 26 Oct 2012 : 09:37:29
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| Haha those hamsters must have very big wheels... |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2012 : 22:28:47
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So little love for Iakhovas? It's not that easy to rally the denizens of the seas and shake almost the entire Sword Coast. If only I could vote for more than once... |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 07:53:27
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I voted for Szass Tam as he is the villain with the most grandiose dream of all.
Of course he doesn't consider himself a villain but then even the Emperor though that he was doing a good thing by wiping out the Jedi so that doesn't mean much. |
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