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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 03:30:25
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My fellow scribes, what are the part of Realmslore that you think should have been covered in novels but didn't manage to make it into print. My question is prompted by the absolutely amazing news that Steven Schend will be writing Blackstaff, a story about the illustrious Khelbun, a character that I thought should have had a novel long ago, at the very least around the time that the Moonstars were founded.
What other stories do you think should have been told in prose form?
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 04:14:30
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 04:18:53
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| I would love to hear her "Darkhold" sequel to "Thornhold." Of course I would also love to see her follow up on Lamruil's quest for a new elven kingdom, as well as moving forward the Danilo and Arilyn storyline as well. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 05:00:13
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The Manshoon Wars would make a great novel -- or, better yet, a series of novels, each focusing on a different Manshoon!
Bane's return prolly should have been in a novel, too. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 05:17:29
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I would like to hear more about Damara, Gareth Dragonsbane, and the cult of Orcus. I know the events of the H series novels are rather old at this point, but even a current novel focusing on the characters would give a chance to flash back to the epic events that led up to the current day version of Damara.
Yes, I know, there is going to be a book based in the Damara region, but that doesn't really focus on the natives now does it? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 06:30:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Manshoon Wars would make a great novel -- or, better yet, a series of novels, each focusing on a different Manshoon!
I'm now starting to feel that a novel or two based upon Szass Tam's origins and eventual rise to power among the Red Wizards would make a fascinating tale.
We could have one novel set during his pre-lich days, and another just after his transformation.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 06:31:34
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| I agree about Gareth Dragonsbane too. The only time I've ever seen him appear in a novel was in The Rite in a cameo. It would be nice to read about him defeating the Witch-King and uniting Damara. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 09:13:22
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Wow, where to start!
Other than the Tree of Life, not really any specific events which i'm particularly clammering after. I'd like to read more about the Zhentarim and also it would be nice to read more about the monster races of Faerūn, such as the orc's of Thar. More brutal and darker stories would be welcome. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 09:19:54
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Wow, where to start!
Other than the Tree of Life, not really any specific events which i'm particularly clammering after. I'd like to read more about the Zhentarim and also it would be nice to read more about the monster races of Faerūn, such as the orc's of Thar. More brutal and darker stories would be welcome.
Rad's idea isn't bad. Look at the Realms from a bit different view, orcs' or something else. Errant's and DHH's idea about Gareth Dragonsbane would be intresting too.
Stories about the lands like Mulhorand or about something ever before told. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 10:00:53
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Hmm......well, I think I would like to read stuff like:
1) The rise of Telamont Tanthul from a young novice to Lord Shadow and how he dealt with all the treachery in his Enclave and among his sons. And a story on how the Shadovar lived and fought to survive in the Plane of Shadow would be interesting or something about the Shades' life other than Telamont and his sons would be not bad, the Plane of Shadow should be something to talk on as well.
2)The Dragons Dominion of Faerun and Fall from grace in controlling the lesser races of Faerun when the High Mages come to cast the frenzy on them would be another story I am looking forward to. Also, I am wondering how the High Mages managed to sort out and cast teh complicated spellwork to make the wryms go mad while being dominated and hounded by the wryms. This should allow some insight into early days of Faerun.
3) Sammaster sad life, from archmage to Chosen to Lich, it would be good to see into the life of Sammaster from the mad man point of view.
4) The wars of the gods before the coming of the mortal races to Faerun, I mean before the events in the Avatar Series, during the early days of Toril, I am sure that there were a lot of fights between the deities which are yet to be explored into depth from the deities point of view. A write up on the Dawn Cataclysm will be good. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 10:12:52
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DeathRage
Acolyte
19 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 10:14:26
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| I for certain would like a novel to be written about this elusive Lord Ao and how he came to control the pantheon, I am sure there are other Overgods before him. |
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
Denmark
468 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 10:26:56
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| I would very mouch like to read a novel about the Fall of Myth Drannor as described in the adventure compendium... If anybody know anywhere to get more scrolls on the subject, please tell me. |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 13:25:50
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| I have always wanted to read the story of the Harpstar Wars. I've been bugging Ed about it every time I see him! |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
121 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 19:20:12
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Mmm..
Return of Bane
Dawn Cataclysm
Manshoon Wars
Nimbral
I'm sure I could think of many more.
Is this perhaps a hint to authors out there?
Oh, Steven's writing a novel? About Blackstaff? Awesome! |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 03:17:39
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Originally posted by Ethriel
Anything regarding the unfinished stories of elaine Cunningham
Can anyone say Elaith!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 06:10:47
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
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Originally posted by Ethriel
Anything regarding the unfinished stories of elaine Cunningham
Can anyone say Elaith!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Agreed! I would remember i asked this in the questions to Elaine Cunningham, check it if you want to know is there coming, or ask her.
I would be pleased too
More of Elaith! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 11:58:10
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
Can anyone say Elaith!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Indeed, good choice. At least soon, we get to see a Dragon magazine story focusing on him. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 16:11:06
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
Can anyone say Elaith!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Indeed, good choice. At least soon, we get to see a Dragon magazine story focusing on him.
I am aware of this,and I am somewhat happy about it.I'm just really being greedy,and want a more definitive novel/novels of his character. |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 06:12:12
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Arilyn/Danilo's life, the final fates of Isabeau, Lucia and Hhune, closure to the Thornhold cast, Lamruil/Mara and Kymil Nimeson, Liriel, Shakti, etc...
I think Elaine has a LOT to finish.
Bane's return, the Manshoon wars...a LOT of recent events
Might I also add a story of the mortal lives of Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul? |
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Xandos Anskul
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 10:03:14
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| I think if a Manshoon novel was done, it would be interesting to do it from the point of Semmemon. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 13:44:23
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Originally posted by Ethriel
Arilyn/Danilo's life, etc...
I think Elaine has a LOT to finish.
Yes Elaine does, now only if the people at Wizards would wake up and smell the coffee. Existing authors, particularly Ed, should get to write about new characters if they want (poor Ed, stuck with Elminster.)
But there are A LOT of new authors that Wizards have brought in that are introducing a WHOLE slue of new characters, I don't see the reason to be telling Elaine they're not interested in older characters, particular since people want to read about those characters. Let's not forget the fact that it also means new readers will be buying the 5 previous novels (6 if you could Evermeet) to catch up.
Oh well, I guess there's just too much politicing in the offices and the only "old" characters that can see print are Chosen and Drizzt (not that it's any authors fault.)
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2005 : 16:53:53
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I would like to read more about FR Villains, and it would be absolutely fantastic to have novels about different Manshoon clones, as Wooly suggested.
Any minor Zhentarim agent or wizard would also do - a bit like Ed described a year in the life of an average level Harper agent in 'The Code of the Harpers'
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-- Askarran of Selgaunt, Master Sage, speaking to a curious merchant, Year of the Helm |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2005 : 12:57:00
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Perhaps a novel about the Red Wizards would be nice, maybe on another Zulkir more stronger than Szass Tam and seeking domination of the Red Wizards or the rise/fall of the various Zulkirs of the Red Wizards. A novel on Zulkir Szass Tam versus Manshoon(hopefully the undead version of Manshoon) would be not so bad an idea as well. I had been secretly envisioning a war between them two. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Tylas
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Jul 2005 : 13:59:37
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Perhaps a novel about the Red Wizards would be nice, maybe on another Zulkir more stronger than Szass Tam and seeking domination of the Red Wizards or the rise/fall of the various Zulkirs of the Red Wizards. A novel on Zulkir Szass Tam versus Manshoon(hopefully the undead version of Manshoon) would be not so bad an idea as well. I had been secretly envisioning a war between them two.
Hmmmm.....Manshoon versus Szass Tam? I think a third character thrown into their fight to make it a three way war would be better and more appealing. The third character is up to everyone to guess....and let's see who has the answer that matches what I think the third character should be. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2005 : 14:19:29
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Originally posted by Ethriel
Arilyn/Danilo's life, etc...
I think Elaine has a LOT to finish.
Elaine offered some possible story threads for Elaith in her own thread -
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Just curious: What episode(s) in Elaith's life would you most like to see told in short story or novel?
- His early misadventures in Waterdeep
- The development of his criminal "empire"
- His relationship with Azariah's mother (think Otello, except Desdemona actually DOES fool around...)
- His time in Tethyr, in which he cleans up some untidy loose ends (i.e., Isabeau Thione from DREAM SPHERES) and ends up championing the wood elves of Tethyr forest as a sort of (ruthless) elven Robin Hood
- "Return to Craulnober Keep," in which Elaith visits Evermeet shortly after the events of the novel EVERMEET, and considers rebuilding his ancestral home
- Elaith learns that Amnestria bore him a son, who, in a twist of cosmic irony, is more of a rogue than his father
If you wish to comment on any of these, then please post your reply in the Questions for Elaine Cunningham scroll in the Chamber of Sages.
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Sir Vengeance
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Jul 2005 : 14:55:35
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Originally posted by Tylas
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Perhaps a novel about the Red Wizards would be nice, maybe on another Zulkir more stronger than Szass Tam and seeking domination of the Red Wizards or the rise/fall of the various Zulkirs of the Red Wizards. A novel on Zulkir Szass Tam versus Manshoon(hopefully the undead version of Manshoon) would be not so bad an idea as well. I had been secretly envisioning a war between them two.
Hmmmm.....Manshoon versus Szass Tam? I think a third character thrown into their fight to make it a three way war would be better and more appealing. The third character is up to everyone to guess....and let's see who has the answer that matches what I think the third character should be.
Is the third character the great Elminister or is it Khelben of Waterdeep? Wait a minute, I think what should had been covered should be Khelben's secret dealings with the Zhents and how he went on trial in the Harper's courts and his reactions in the court(no doubt frantic and defensive). This should be written and made known to all FR readers of Khelben's....uh......offenses and (pardon me if I say this) hidden crimes for dealing with Zhents.(who knows he might been often secretly moving from Blackstaff Tower under the noses of Lord Peirgeiron and His Lady to Darkhold or Zhentil Keep to make extra lucrative dealings with Manshoon and Fzoul-imagine Manshoon, Fzoul, Semmenon and Khelben seating togethe and chit chatting like old friends).
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Sandhrune
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Jul 2005 : 17:09:25
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2005 : 17:18:02
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Originally posted by Sir Vengeance
Is the third character the great Elminister or is it Khelben of Waterdeep? Wait a minute, I think what should had been covered should be Khelben's secret dealings with the Zhents and how he went on trial in the Harper's courts and his reactions in the court(no doubt frantic and defensive). This should be written and made known to all FR readers of Khelben's....uh......offenses and (pardon me if I say this) hidden crimes for dealing with Zhents.(who knows he might been often secretly moving from Blackstaff Tower under the noses of Lord Peirgeiron and His Lady to Darkhold or Zhentil Keep to make extra lucrative dealings with Manshoon and Fzoul-imagine Manshoon, Fzoul, Semmenon and Khelben seating togethe and chit chatting like old friends).
There was nothing frantic or defensive about Khelben's reaction to the charges. As I recall, his exact response was "Guilty as charged. All is as it should be. We Harp no more." (This was covered in Cloak & Dagger)
Whatever it is that Khelben is doing (which we will hopefully learn more of in Blackstaff), he has always acted for the greater good. Keep in mind, this is someone who helped found the Harpers -- both times, I believe. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 02:38:20
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I've made the analogy before, but Khelbun's dealing with the Zhentarim reminds me of the "Tower of Babel" Justice League story, where one of Batman's villain breaks into his files and finds out special ways to deal with every member of the Justice League that Batman has thought up, and uses these plans against the League. The members of the League are shocked and outraged, and they even throw Batman out for a time, but in Batman's mind it was perfectly rational to have a means to stop each of them if they ever went bad or were not under their own control
The Harper/Khelbun situation is similar (and predates the above storyline by several years) in that the Harpers don't understand why Khelbun would plot behind their backs, yet Khelbun knows from his own perspective that everything that he did made perfect sense in his own grand plan to do the greatest good over the longest term. |
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The Great Untold Stories of the Realms
