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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:00:33
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I've made the analogy before, but Khelbun's dealing with the Zhentarim reminds me of the "Tower of Babel" Justice League story, where one of Batman's villain breaks into his files and finds out special ways to deal with every member of the Justice League that Batman has thought up, and uses these plans against the League. The members of the League are shocked and outraged, and they even throw Batman out for a time, but in Batman's mind it was perfectly rational to have a means to stop each of them if they ever went bad or were not under their own control
The Harper/Khelbun situation is similar (and predates the above storyline by several years) in that the Harpers don't understand why Khelbun would plot behind their backs, yet Khelbun knows from his own perspective that everything that he did made perfect sense in his own grand plan to do the greatest good over the longest term.
But Khelben's actions in the name of performing the greatest good also seem to conflict with moral values and honor itself. Its like how can a good and renowned archmage stoop so low to make deals with the Realms' most evil villain. It is simply like betraying his own dignity and honor for a simple deal with a evil villain. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:31:49
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Originally posted by Shadovar
But Khelben's actions in the name of performing the greatest good also seem to conflict with moral values and honor itself. Its like how can a good and renowned archmage stoop so low to make deals with the Realms' most evil villain. It is simply like betraying his own dignity and honor for a simple deal with a evil villain.
Because there is such a thing as the greater good. Do you support the petty, selfish, uncaring Ildreth Marsilver for Gardlord of Proskur, or the benevolent, seemingly good-souled Nilder "Sablecloak" Arntarn who you know is covertly an agent of the Cult of the Dragon and is seeking to turn your little town into a cult stronghold? Do you make a deal with the loathsome Fzoul Chembryl of Zhentil Keep and give him the Scepter of the Sorceror Kings as long as he stops Zhentarim expansion west, when you know that the Lords Alliance needs time to bolster itself against the Zhent menace whilst also noting the portents regarding a long-awaited event of "good" soon to happen in the area that you are seeking to restrict Zhent access to? I'm saying that you do, because the alternative is even greater death and destruction.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:40:11
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Originally posted by Shadovar
But Khelben's actions in the name of performing the greatest good also seem to conflict with moral values and honor itself. Its like how can a good and renowned archmage stoop so low to make deals with the Realms' most evil villain. It is simply like betraying his own dignity and honor for a simple deal with a evil villain.
We don't know that it was a simple deal, though. All we know for certain is that he's working for a greater good. If that means giving evil a leg up over here, then so be it -- so long as doing so is less damaging than the consequences of not doing it, in the long run.
Khelben is working against something that he perceives to be a great threat -- greater even than the Zhents or Bane popping back up. |
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DeathRage
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 12:46:22
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Lets see....what I wish to see.., here they are:
1) The Crown Wars, this historic elven war should be written into a novel.
2) Ao versus the Elder Eternal Evils? I am sure Lord Ao had struggled against them covertly, it is nice to see some evil on a par with Ao.
3) The history of Selune and Shar's private war.
4) The war between the phaerimm and the Sharn.
5) Anything related to the Elder Eternal Evils against Toril.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 17:52:50
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Originally posted by DeathRage
Lets see....what I wish to see.., here they are:
1) The Crown Wars, this historic elven war should be written into a novel.
2) Ao versus the Elder Eternal Evils? I am sure Lord Ao had struggled against them covertly, it is nice to see some evil on a par with Ao.
3) The history of Selune and Shar's private war.
4) The war between the phaerimm and the Sharn.
5) Anything related to the Elder Eternal Evils against Toril.
We don't know that the Elder Eternal Evils are at all comparable with Ao, power-wise. For all we know, he created them, to counter-balance the gods. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 05:28:01
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I think there are some stories of the Realms that should be written into a novel:
1) The Adventuring Company of the Nine(very few information available on their deeds).
2) The Crown of Myrkul/Horns affair(something that still puzzles me).
3) Sylune's life and how she became an "undead" Chosen. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 00:56:00
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Lamruil and the Tree of Souls establishing a new Elven Kingdom in the extreme North
Gareth Dragonsbane and Co. escapades vs. Orcus and the Witch-King
Cult of the Dragon establishing the Well of Dragons
Semmemon and Darkhold
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 21:20:02
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Aysen
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 07:26:14
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I'd like to see a trilogy where the protagonist was Nezram the Worldwalker.
The first book could give his origins and adventures leading up to him becoming a planeswalker. The second book would be about his adventures among the planes, while simultaneously showing the activities of his descendants the Nezramites back on Toril. The third book would be about his return to Faerun and set the stage for future ongoing conflicts with either the City of Shade or Deep/High Imaskar.
Alternatively, I'd love to see a 3.5-4th ed. novel that on the Moonshae Isles and their conflict with the LeShay of Sarifal and other foreign powers. Since the very first novels of the Forgotten Realms were about the Moonshaes, I'd like to see an update on them. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 15 Apr 2010 : 13:02:45
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What I would like to see:
1) Crinti
2) Crown Wars
3) Arilyn/Danilo
4) Elaith
5) Maura/Lamruil
6) Liriel
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Apr 2010 : 14:03:28
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Shadovar
But Khelben's actions in the name of performing the greatest good also seem to conflict with moral values and honor itself. Its like how can a good and renowned archmage stoop so low to make deals with the Realms' most evil villain. It is simply like betraying his own dignity and honor for a simple deal with a evil villain.
Because there is such a thing as the greater good. Do you support the petty, selfish, uncaring Ildreth Marsilver for Gardlord of Proskur, or the benevolent, seemingly good-souled Nilder "Sablecloak" Arntarn who you know is covertly an agent of the Cult of the Dragon and is seeking to turn your little town into a cult stronghold? Do you make a deal with the loathsome Fzoul Chembryl of Zhentil Keep and give him the Scepter of the Sorceror Kings as long as he stops Zhentarim expansion west, when you know that the Lords Alliance needs time to bolster itself against the Zhent menace whilst also noting the portents regarding a long-awaited event of "good" soon to happen in the area that you are seeking to restrict Zhent access to? I'm saying that you do, because the alternative is even greater death and destruction.
-- George Krashos
So was the Event, the Raising of the City of Hope in the High Moor?
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 18:55:27
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I still want to see a novel about Larloch!
Same here. And since a lot of FR fans want an all out war between the reamls' most powerful villains, why not include the most powerful of all wizards (be it living or undead)? Maybe the story would go something like this:
Larloch, in his obsession with magical artifacts, is in possession of a rare, powerful artifact that draws energy from both the Weave and the Shadow Weave; and Telamont, Manshoon, Szass Tam, and Gromph Baenre conspire to assault Larloch in his haven and retrieve the said artifact. And since the artifact is just one, and therefore cannot be shared, these conspirators will JUST study it, attempt to create duplicates, and destroy the original.
Sounds good?
Well, I don't really care what the story will be as long as Larloch gets the spotlight and is given "justice."
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 19:00:42
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 21:44:54
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-Vasen Cale, Drasek Riven (luckily that will indeed happen now) and whatever more Kemp decides to dish out in the Realms.
-Elaith, Elaith, Elaith.
-Lamruil and the establishing of the new elven realm, or maybe the lost children of Zaor and Amlaruil. The twins come to mind.
-Halaster! His origins and demise would be really interesting to explore.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Apr 2010 : 03:13:37
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-Halaster! His origins and demise would be really interesting to explore.
He is quite an interesting wizard. I'd love to read about his life too. |
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The Great Untold Stories of the Realms
