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Alaundo
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2005 : 18:36:00
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Well met
After recent talk of a new Forgotten Realms novel series, entitled The Dungeons (similiar to the Cities series), I have opened up this scroll for any discussions for this new set of novels. Whilst it is in very early stages, please feel free to discuss herein.
The original discussion is here, where Erik Scott de Bie indicated that he is writing one book in the series, entitled The Depths of Madness, due for release in 2007.
For completeness, i'll hereby include the entry from Erik's blog page:
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posted on Erik Scott de Bie's blog page
I found out recently that Wizards of the Coast is accepting a novel proposal of mine called "The Depths of Madness," for publication in March 2007 (yeah -- long term? You ain't kidding) as part of a series called (dare I mention it? I don't know if it's been publicly announced. . .) THE DUNGEONS.
The Dungeons. . . kind of a followup to the Cities, about to be ended by the venerable (not in an old sort of way) Ed Greenwood and the stylish Elaine Cunningham, and the class series of novels (Rogues, Priests, Fighters, and Wizards), continuing the trend of 3 or 4 parters based on a single theme. To my knowledge, the Dungeons will consist of 4 novels, released throughout 2007 and 2008, all by lower/middle prestige Realms authors (my fellow Young Dragons and those somewhat more experienced than we, but no spoiler big names like Ed, Bob, Elaine, Paul, Thomas, Lisa, or either of the Richards). That's all I really know -- no idea who my fellows on this series will be. And I could always be wrong about any of that.
Anyway, the outline's due August 2, so I'll devote the next week or so to getting that hammered out, and the first draft's due in January. . . not that I think it'll take that long, but hey.
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Alaundo
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2005 : 18:51:17
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I wonder what kind of directives WoTC is giving the authors?
Are we going to see well known dungeons (i.e. the ones listed in the FRCS) or are we going to get to learn about all new ones? (Hmm, delving into the depths of the Anaroch sounds tasty.)
Are we going to see singular heroes, or adventuring parties?
And 2007? Geeze. What’s happening between now and then?
[i]”The Depths of Madness”[i]…
We know that it isn’t Undermountian...I wonder where the book will be? Any good guesses?
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jul 2005 : 23:22:13
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Excellent news! I loved the Cities series and i'm a fan of dungeons in general and the Realms has some of the best dungeons from many fantasy worlds 
If any authors of the other novels are here at Candlekeep, please speak up. Ok, maybe you're not permitted to give the novel title or details just yet but it would be nice to know who you are 
I'm very much looking forward to this series. Again, i wish it were a greater number of novels as four novels simply isn't enough to cover the vast dungeons of the Realms but i'm sure the four that are scheduled will be great.
Thanks Erik and Alaundo for telling us about this.
Erik, can you tell us ANYTHING at all about your story? |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 01:47:16
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Erik, can you tell us ANYTHING at all about your story?
Probably not since the outline is still due. But, bully to you for making an attempt. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 20:09:17
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You've got my number, SB. Very little info until the outline's approved! And as publication's set for almost two years in the future, I'm going to have to be quite sparing with details for a while, I think.
Some trace bits of info, from the best of my knowledge:
- The Dungeons series does not necessarily cover known (i.e. covered in current Realmslore) dungeons. Mine, for instance, does not.
- The title of each Dungeons novel (according to the original plan, so this may have changed) is also the title of the dungeon in question, so a novel about Undermountain would be called, say, Undermountain. My dungeon is called Depths of Madness, thus my novel title.
- About other authors coming forward: I don't know who else is writing in this series, and they may not even know yet. That is to say, I don't know if WotC has made all the decisions / mailed out all the contracts. I seem to have found out about my proposal much earlier than some others. I think part of the reason I knew first is that I have rather early deadlines as my my novel is the first of the series, but I could be totally wrong about that.
- I could reveal the locale, but that would be a spoiler. 
Cheers
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
Edited by - Erik Scott de Bie on 24 Jul 2006 20:54:58 |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 20:51:06
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| Nice! There hasn't been enough about dungeon exploring recently in FR. I want to go back to the good ol' days, where down-on-luck adventurers go to a monster infested dungeon and find riches and mighty weapons. |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 21:58:18
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Great!
Thanks to Alaundo and Erik for telling this. I havent read Cities, so I don't know how's it like. But. In some fantasy worlds I hated dungeons but good thing in the Realms is the dungeons. Yes we have still a bit time to wait... |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 22:18:17
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
- I could reveal the locale, but that would be a (albeit minor) spoiler.
Cheers
Damn!
Well, it still goes in Novel Areas as 'Depths of Madness' as a location. Are you SURe you can't reveal any locations? How about the country (ie: Cormyr, Dales, Impiltur) |
So sayeth the Smyther, the Dark Bard of Amn. |
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Alaundo
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
121 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 22:28:20
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| *Fetches manacles from Alaundo's desk but is only able to find the fluffy pink kind* |
So sayeth the Smyther, the Dark Bard of Amn. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 : 22:32:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Smyther
*Fetches manacles from Alaundo's desk but is only able to find the fluffy pink kind*
  Ahem. er...Hooded One, ye left thy.... ::trots off quickly down corridor::
Ahem...as mentioned previously, if any of the other authors are able to post any information herein, it will be greatly appreciated. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 01:59:32
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Well, you're all welcome. . .
And that said, no more on the subject from me!
Cheers
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 05:35:41
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| I hope we get to see some of the famous but heretofore somewhat ignored ruins and dungeons that we have heard lore of for years, such as Dekanter. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 06:29:01
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Or perhaps several of the old ruins mentioned in LEoF?
I sure would like a book about exploring elven or Netherese ruins... |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 03:15:30
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| This is excellent news indeed.I wait impatiently already... |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 04:28:11
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Well, with the announcement of Steven Schend's new book 'Blackstaff,' I think we can guarantee no novel on Undermountain. There have simply been so many novels in Waterdeep now, what with the cities book coming out and Blackstaff, so Undermountain is unlikely. A pity, as it seems many people would like another take on the Escape From Undermountain novel.
What dungeons do people think will be covered?
It may be wishful thinking, but I'd like to see a novel in Bhaluin, the drowned city of Semphar, or Thruldar on the fringes of Luiren. |
So sayeth the Smyther, the Dark Bard of Amn. |
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Lameth
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 13:25:33
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| Great news. I always loved novels with dungeons especially "The Lost Library of Cormanthyr". |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 11:48:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Smyther
Well, with the announcement of Steven Schend's new book 'Blackstaff,' I think we can guarantee no novel on Undermountain. There have simply been so many novels in Waterdeep now, what with the cities book coming out and Blackstaff, so Undermountain is unlikely. A pity, as it seems many people would like another take on the Escape From Undermountain novel.
What dungeons do people think will be covered?
It may be wishful thinking, but I'd like to see a novel in Bhaluin, the drowned city of Semphar, or Thruldar on the fringes of Luiren.
A new novel called Blackstaff? Where is this mentioned? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 13:09:48
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Originally posted by khorne
A new novel called Blackstaff? Where is this mentioned?
Take a look at this thread. |
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Sandhrune
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 00:31:55
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| Has the drowned ruins of Jhammdath or the sunken cities of Netheril ever been written about in a novel? If not those would be some awesome places for a book on dungeons. IMHO. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 01:20:38
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Originally posted by Sandhrune
Has the drowned ruins of Jhammdath or the sunken cities of Netheril ever been written about in a novel? If not those would be some awesome places for a book on dungeons. IMHO.
Jhaamdath No
Netheril yes
There are 3 novels set in the age of Netheril (I believe the series is called Arcane Age or something to that effect)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 01:49:57
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Netheril yes
There are 3 novels set in the age of Netheril (I believe the series is called Arcane Age or something to that effect)
Arcane Age is it. The other AA accessory boxed set that was released was Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves.
Compared to Cormanthyr however, Netheril was a poor product. I'm glad though the Steven and George's effort to have the concept of upper and lower Netheril included with RoF, was a success as it gave a little more depth and grounding to Netheril, than was presented originally in the boxed set.
I would have loved to have seen the work-up for the projected 'Telantiwar' accessory, but N:EoM kind of sealed the fate of the series. We do learn a little about what may have been incuded in this next AA accessory however, because some of the lore was published in EotSS and DDGttU.
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Sandhrune
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 01:57:36
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| I was talking about deep Netheril, or the city that crashed into the sea. Thanks. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 02:56:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Sandhrune
I was talking about deep Netheril, or the city that crashed into the sea. Thanks.
There were at least two or three cities that crashed into the sea. Two are in the Sea of Fallen Stars, and another city is rumored to be in Tethyr's Firedrake Bay.
Deep Netheril was destroyed before the Fall of Netheril. |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 11:33:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Sandhrune
I was talking about deep Netheril, or the city that crashed into the sea. Thanks.
I heard that the sea elves attacked and destroyed the three cities of Deep Netheril. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 17:30:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadovar
quote:
Originally posted by Sandhrune
I was talking about deep Netheril, or the city that crashed into the sea. Thanks.
I heard that the sea elves attacked and destroyed the three cities of Deep Netheril.
Yup. As I recall, the explosions of two of those cities formed the harbor in Saerloon. |
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Paec_djinn
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 13:29:50
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Is it just me or does anyone else think the idea of a "Dungeon" series is kinda weird? I mean I read stories for their originality and plot and a dungeon series just makes it seem like a simple hack & slash, cliched story.
I'm not bashing anyone, I'm just wondering here. |
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 13:47:33
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Originally posted by Paec_djinn
Is it just me or does anyone else think the idea of a "Dungeon" series is kinda weird? I mean I read stories for their originality and plot and a dungeon series just makes it seem like a simple hack & slash, cliched story.
I'm not bashing anyone, I'm just wondering here.
It's just a common theme to wrap a series of books around. For some reason, there aren't a lot of stand alone novels. I think it has to do with marketing; as in, a consumer is more likely to buy the entire series rather than just pick and choose from 7 seperate stand alone realms novels. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 15:34:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Paec_djinn
Is it just me or does anyone else think the idea of a "Dungeon" series is kinda weird? I mean I read stories for their originality and plot and a dungeon series just makes it seem like a simple hack & slash, cliched story.
I'm not bashing anyone, I'm just wondering here.
I agree. All though not quite as pointless series titles as "Fighter" or "Rogue" etc. I thought the class set of novels to be quite uninventive in series title and not really setting them apart. I mean, isn't there at least one "fighter" in every Realms novel?!
Still looking forward to The Dungeons novels anyway Just wish it weren't capped at a set number of novels and was left open like the long-running Harpers series so other novels can be added as and when are required. Much like the Waterdeep addition to the Cities series  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 15:37:38
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| Yeah, I am guessing no matter how tenuous the connection, you are more likely to get some extra sales (or even looked at to begin with) if a book is in a series of some sort, as opposed to just being a stand alone novel. In effect, once you have enough series going (Rogues, Priests, Fighters, soon Wizards, Dungeons, and originally Cities) then you can effectively publish one off novels about almost anything while still having the marketing device of the novel belonging to a series. |
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