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PaulSKemp
Forgotten Realms Author
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 18:02:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There were at least two or three cities that crashed into the sea. Two are in the Sea of Fallen Stars, and another city is rumored to be in Tethyr's Firedrake Bay.
Deep Netheril was destroyed before the Fall of Netheril.
Nhalloth and Sakkors are the two Netherese enclaves that fell into the Sea of Fallen Stars when magic failed due to Karsus's folly.
Source: Steven's "Sea of Fallen Stars." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 22:58:45
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Originally posted by PaulSKemp
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There were at least two or three cities that crashed into the sea. Two are in the Sea of Fallen Stars, and another city is rumored to be in Tethyr's Firedrake Bay.
Deep Netheril was destroyed before the Fall of Netheril.
Nhalloth and Sakkors are the two Netherese enclaves that fell into the Sea of Fallen Stars when magic failed due to Karsus's folly.
Source: Steven's "Sea of Fallen Stars."
Yup. The Netherese city rumored to be in Firedrake Bay comes from Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II. Though, to be honest, it's actually referred to as a castle that fell from the sky. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 23:40:24
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 22:50:57
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
If any authors of the other novels are here at Candlekeep, please speak up. Ok, maybe you're not permitted to give the novel title or details just yet but it would be nice to know who you are 
I had to wait for the all-clear from the powers that be, but I can now say that I'm going to be part of the Dungeons series as well. My book is tentatively titled, The Howling Delve, and is due to be released in 2007. :)
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 23:24:26
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Originally posted by Jaleigh J.
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
If any authors of the other novels are here at Candlekeep, please speak up. Ok, maybe you're not permitted to give the novel title or details just yet but it would be nice to know who you are
I had to wait for the all-clear from the powers that be, but I can now say that I'm going to be part of the Dungeons series as well. My book is tentatively titled, The Howling Delve, and is due to be released in 2007. :)
--Jaleigh Johnson
Well met, Jaleigh, glad to see thee back at Candlekeep 
This is splendid news, congratulations. The Howling Delve eh? Hmmm, that rings a bell for some reason. Tell me, if ye can, where will this tale be set?
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 02:42:52
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Originally posted by Jaleigh J.
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
If any authors of the other novels are here at Candlekeep, please speak up. Ok, maybe you're not permitted to give the novel title or details just yet but it would be nice to know who you are
I had to wait for the all-clear from the powers that be, but I can now say that I'm going to be part of the Dungeons series as well. My book is tentatively titled, The Howling Delve, and is due to be released in 2007. :)
--Jaleigh Johnson
Yay Jaleigh! Congrats!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 03:52:22
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met, Jaleigh, glad to see thee back at Candlekeep
This is splendid news, congratulations. The Howling Delve eh? Hmmm, that rings a bell for some reason. Tell me, if ye can, where will this tale be set?
Thank you, Alaundo. I'm afraid I'm not allowed to tell at the moment where the story will be set, but I will say I tried to pick a spot on the map that hasn't seen a lot of action. The fewer toes trod on, the better, and all that. ;)
Thanks Erik, and congrats to you too. :) |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 05:41:06
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Originally posted by Jaleigh J.
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
If any authors of the other novels are here at Candlekeep, please speak up. Ok, maybe you're not permitted to give the novel title or details just yet but it would be nice to know who you are
I had to wait for the all-clear from the powers that be, but I can now say that I'm going to be part of the Dungeons series as well. My book is tentatively titled, The Howling Delve, and is due to be released in 2007. :)
--Jaleigh Johnson
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 23:45:22
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As I've mentioned in other Worlds, congratulations Erik and Jaleigh!
It looks like you'll both have your drafts in well before they are published. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 00:05:47
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| Wow. How can authors stand not seeing the fruits of their labor for two years!?! I'm looking forward to your work Jaleigh. |
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James P. Davis
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 20:19:51
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I had to wait for the all-clear from the powers that be, but I can now say that I'm going to be part of the Dungeons series as well. My book is tentatively titled, The Howling Delve, and is due to be released in 2007. :)
--Jaleigh Johnson
Congrats Jaleigh! Excellent news!
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Aug 2005 : 23:06:25
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Ahh, Brian, imagine how Ed of the Greenwood feels. He has prose sitting in WotC's hands that won't be published until 2009 (and was handed in back in 2002!).
Of course, he's also late on his current project . . . 
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 01:07:05
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Originally posted by Realmslore
Wow. How can authors stand not seeing the fruits of their labor for two years!?! I'm looking forward to your work Jaleigh.
Believe it or not, sometimes it's better that way, at least for me. It gives you a chance to distance yourself from a project. If my novel/short story/article/etc... manuscript I've submitted doesn't go over well, or doesn't get published at all, I've already moved on to the next thing. If it does get published and is well received, it's a worthwhile wait. :) Speaking of which, thanks for all the kind words, guys, about RotDII, and the upcoming book. :) |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 04:02:38
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Originally posted by Jaleigh J.
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Originally posted by Realmslore
Wow. How can authors stand not seeing the fruits of their labor for two years!?! I'm looking forward to your work Jaleigh.
Believe it or not, sometimes it's better that way, at least for me. It gives you a chance to distance yourself from a project. If my novel/short story/article/etc... manuscript I've submitted doesn't go over well, or doesn't get published at all, I've already moved on to the next thing. If it does get published and is well received, it's a worthwhile wait. :)
That's a great point. The most amusing thing is when one's style evolves a large amount between books, and you look back on something and say "Wow -- I wrote that?"
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Speaking of which, thanks for all the kind words, guys, about RotDII, and the upcoming book. :)
Quite -- same from me, from my perspective!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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EdGentry
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 14:22:55
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Congratulations Jaleigh!!!
Ed Greenwood has stuff submitted that has to wait until 2009? Yikes, I thought my publication date of 2008 was a long wait, heh. |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 23:53:08
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| Just curious to ressurect an old thread: have there been any more updates on this series (or 'The Citadels')? New authors, changed authors, titles, release updates, or anything? I understand that some things might be NDA, but it has been a while enough that things might be changed. I'm quite interested in seeing the progression of this series. |
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 00:52:55
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Hello-
Well - I noticed that this was an old thread about halfway through - but kept on reading anyway! :)
I certainly understand the need for NDA's (*even if I don't like it!*) but have a question for any of the FR authors/THO:
Why is it that there is such a large lead-time for some of these projects?
I read from THO that Ed has something due out in 2009, and that it was handed in in 2002. Now - I'm just curious - WHY wait so long? I realize that there may STILL be some NDA reasons for this - but it seems that in 'general' this could be addressed without stepping on Mr. NDA's pesky toes (*even though I'd like to 'tiptoe throught the tulips' of Mr. NDA's toes sometimes!*)
Also - as a side-note - is it just me - or has WOC severly lengthened the lead-time Between novels in a series? I remember a time when they would come out every 3-6 months - instead of the nearly full year wait we generally have now. I mainly am curious - again - as to why. I don't like to read too much in-between books in a series - and having to wait 2 years after the first book comes out is - well - putting be behind in realmslore! LOL - Yes - I could read them as they are released - but I have a tendancy to forget some aspects of books if there is too great a wait in between. I learned that first-hand with the Death Gate Cycle by Weiss and Hickman, as well as the SF Donaldson Gap series - which I am fairly sure I never even finished as I got so mind-numbingly lost in the 2nd or 3rd book.
Also - since it IS January - and Erik said he had a January deadline for the first draft - how is that going? Surely the ststus of the first draft is not covered by NDA! Unless of course the novel has some temporal-planar relationship to WotC's publishing division in its very pages......Nah - Too weird!
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 23:52:08
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Originally posted by Smyther
Just curious to ressurect an old thread: have there been any more updates on this series (or 'The Citadels')? New authors, changed authors, titles, release updates, or anything? I understand that some things might be NDA, but it has been a while enough that things might be changed. I'm quite interested in seeing the progression of this series.
Not from my end. I do have suspicions as to the identity of a third Dungeons author (at least, as of November), but I'm just too darn squirrelly to say. (Well actually, it wouldn't be my place. )
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Why is it that there is such a large lead-time for some of these projects?
As I understand it, WotC commissions novels. They contract them before they're written, so they can supervise every step of the writing process. The reason they do this is pretty clear: since writers are working in shared worlds, they need to exercise fairly tight control over the lines. This is partly to avoid stepping on toes (Can't have that loose cannon de Bie killing Elminster -- Ed's using him in such-and-such a book (and many and so on and so forth)), and partly for continuity issues (what? Drizzt was faring the sea at that time? But in this other book, which takes place about the same time, he's fighting in the Underdark! Realmslore error! Realmslore error!).
Trust me, Wizards does the best feasible job keeping everything consistent with other authors, sourcebooks, web publications, etc. It's a big world -- you've got to have a management of sorts.
So there's the reason for lead-time.
Now, why so much? Well, Wizards doesn't want to apply undue pressure to authors to get stuff in so fast. I believe they used to give authors about a year to write a book -- I think they've actually decreased it. I had 9 months or so to write Ghostwalker, and 6 to write Depths, I believe. There is also a substantial editing process, involving rewrites and multiple drafts, which eats up a few months, and typesetting takes a while.
And this isn't all that unusual -- as far as I'm aware, the standard wait time on a book is 12 months after the agent takes it off your hands, and that's a complete manuscript, not a commission.
Also, on top of all that, WotC is constantly planning where it wants to take its settings. The forecast is long-reaching (as might be evidenced by contracting stuff from the divine Bearded One out for quite a ways).
So, all said, those are some of the reasons behind WotC's policies, as I understand them.
I couldn't comment on things that are contracted for beyond two or three years, except to say that it might be forecasting (like I mentioned earlier) or it might be sheer volume (how many things is Ed contracted to do at the moment? Isn't it in the low teens?). Remember, WotC does have a bunch of authors -- the editors work really hard over there. I believe mine said she had three manuscripts to get through before she could get to Depths.
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Also - as a side-note - is it just me - or has WOC severly lengthened the lead-time Between novels in a series? I remember a time when they would come out every 3-6 months - instead of the nearly full year wait we generally have now. I mainly am curious - again - as to why. I don't like to read too much in-between books in a series - and having to wait 2 years after the first book comes out is - well - putting be behind in realmslore! LOL - Yes - I could read them as they are released - but I have a tendancy to forget some aspects of books if there is too great a wait in between.
I don't know about this -- it isn't something I've noticed. The WotSQ books came out over about two years, didn't they? Maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure the Priests came out over one, and the Fighters is coming out over less than one (Master in Sept, Bladesinger in April). Erevis Cale came out July 2003 (Twilight Falling) to November 2005 ([i]Midnight's Mask[/i}). I suppose it's different for the different authors. RAS has said at signings that he writes one book a year. Ed writes more than that. And some write in other settings as well.
I guess the best answer is, well, it varies.
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Also - since it IS January - and Erik said he had a January deadline for the first draft - how is that going? Surely the ststus of the first draft is not covered by NDA! Unless of course the novel has some temporal-planar relationship to WotC's publishing division in its very pages......Nah - Too weird!
Nope, status of the draft isn't NDA'd -- I don't think.
So let's see. . . . straight face. . . deep breath. . .
Yep. I did it. Blew my deadline. Totally missed the draft. Got fired. No more fictions from me.
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Ok, I lied.
I finished the first draft in December. A month ahead of schedule.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 20:58:42
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Whoop!
I swept this thread just to make sure I hadn't leaked anything out there (I hadn't) and it looks like it got bumped.
Oh horrors!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jul 2006 : 21:22:14
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More Realms novels when I haven't even read a tenth of what is out there?! I love it! As the saying goes, no Realmslore is bad Realmslore.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 18:40:11
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I saw this on Rosemary Jones's site: http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/
'Twould appear that she's writing a Dungeons book. She calls it Dungeons 4, so maybe it's the fourth one.
Young Dragons unite!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 23:08:12
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Since this series is "plunging us back into the Dungeons from which D&D spawned",
I would like to make a small suggestion to the authors in the series.
Please feel free...Nay feel obligated, when tempted to state a distance to a door or trap or height of a statue or altar or whatever, to go ahead and take the plunge....
I know you want to...
Use measurement that are not based on 10'
I would love to hear a character say "hmm that's quite a chasm I need to leap there , it must be 12 or 13 feet wide!" lol
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DragonReader
Senior Scribe
USA
371 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2006 : 22:28:53
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Renzokuken
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2006 : 13:32:44
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| I don't know why but I am excited for this series. If the name of the series is any indication of settings, then these novels may feel like classic hack n' slash adventures. Let's just hope the authors can slip in some plot and character development too. I am sure they will. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2006 : 17:30:17
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Originally posted by Renzokuken
Let's just hope the authors can slip in some plot and character development too. I am sure they will.
We can only hope.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Oct 2006 : 00:20:38
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| Bah! Give me exposition, old men moaning about fish, and dance scenes from the point of view of mice. |
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 Oct 2006 : 02:27:36
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Originally posted by Renzokuken
I don't know why but I am excited for this series. If the name of the series is any indication of settings, then these novels may feel like classic hack n' slash adventures. Let's just hope the authors can slip in some plot and character development too. I am sure they will.
there's nothing wrong with some hack 'n slash every once in awhile. |
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 21 Oct 2006 : 04:51:20
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ahh, Brian, imagine how Ed of the Greenwood feels. He has prose sitting in WotC's hands that won't be published until 2009 (and was handed in back in 2002!).
Of course, he's also late on his current project . . .
love,
THO
What is even worse, is that Ed seems to have prose in WotC's hands that won't be published at all.. |
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Renzokuken
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 Oct 2006 : 17:03:31
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| In terms of novels, 2009 is but one trilogy away. =) |
Currently reading: Dark Elf Trilogy (FR) |
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Jaleigh J.
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
139 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2006 : 05:07:51
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Originally posted by DragonReader
Chapters bookstore lists The Howling Delve as a July 2007 release.
I like July, good month to take books to the beach. ;)
As for plot and character development, I will say that the characters were some of my favorite parts of the Delve, so I hope you enjoy reading about them. :) |
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