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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 13:54:13
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Yeah, but that's what I meant by typical gold elf. All he saw was a way to gain some power to stop Sarya from unleashing hell on earth. Well, he was so wrapped up with his gaining power and defeating Saelithil, he forgot to ask, "Do I really want to do this?" Even Morwel told him he might not know what he is getting into, but he did it anyway. That was his one typical gold elven trait.
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Morwel? That Eladrin never mentioned her name. Who is Morwel?
Queen Morwel is the most powerful, influential and beautiful eladrin in Arborea, but she is seldom referred to by name. In the many whispered rumours of her comings and goings, the eladrins of her court refer to her as the Lady of Stars, Faerie Queen, or Lady of the Lake. A tulani noble, Queen Morwel is a fighter and wizardress; within her realm she is considered a demipower.
Morwel is a gracious hostess, providing rooms and refreshment for innumerable guests, but her presence is fleeting. Few see her but in passing, a glimpse of bright colours and unearthly beauty that will stay with them till the day they die.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 15:36:58
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Hey Sage,
Where exactly is that information listed? I knew it was, just couldn't remember where. Thanks for the infomation!
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 15:51:31
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I'm not so sure it's Morwel. Let me quote from the Book of Exalted Deeds:
Morwel never leaves her demiplane, and some fear that if she did leave, the demiplane would collapse and be destroyed forever.
Does she have avatars or was the place in the "Farthest Reach" part of Court of the Stars? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 17:10:45
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| Over on the WOTC boards Rich said it was just a celestial so those who say it's Morwel are speculating. :) |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 17:19:01
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Well, that's kind of weird. Don't you think you'd have to be a little more powerful than just a run of the mill celestial to be giving power to a mortal like that?
I mean, Rich knows, he is the author and all - just seems kind of wild. :)
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 17:33:29
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, that's kind of weird. Don't you think you'd have to be a little more powerful than just a run of the mill celestial to be giving power to a mortal like that?
I mean, Rich knows, he is the author and all - just seems kind of wild. :)
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I don't even care for the whole, "A celestial somehow knows a better way to use elven high magic then the elves do." But yes, he said it was just a celestial. I could dig out the reply if it's really needed. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 17:55:30
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Originally posted by Kuje
I don't even care for the whole, "A celestial somehow knows a better way to use elven high magic then the elves do." But yes, he said it was just a celestial. I could dig out the reply if it's really needed. :)
Well... It works if the celestial in question was the one who taught elves to use high magic... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 21:00:00
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Yeah, but that's what I meant by typical gold elf. All he saw was a way to gain some power to stop Sarya from unleashing hell on earth. Well, he was so wrapped up with his gaining power and defeating Saelithil, he forgot to ask, "Do I really want to do this?" Even Morwel told him he might not know what he is getting into, but he did it anyway. That was his one typical gold elven trait.
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Really? All I can think of are the descriptions of gold elves being "careful" and "thoughtful" and "conservative". Granted, those are just generalizations, but one of the few things we learn about Araevin's actual personality is that he is "inquistive" (or does he just *look* inquistive?). It seems almost a contradiction that he would rush into something without knowing what he is getting into.
I find it VERY telling that both the book and people discussing Araevin as a character (not right in this thread, but elsewehere) are more concerned with what powers he is obtaining rather than what kind of person he is. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 21:02:16
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Originally posted by Kuje
Over on the WOTC boards Rich said it was just a celestial so those who say it's Morwel are speculating. :)
Maybe, but I stand by my speculation.
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I don't even care for the whole, "A celestial somehow knows a better way to use elven high magic then the elves do."
I feel the same way. Whether it was Morwel or just a "run of the mill celestial" (isn't *that* a contradiction in terms!), it still doesn't make the book any better. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 22:15:13
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Yeah, but that's what I meant by typical gold elf. All he saw was a way to gain some power to stop Sarya from unleashing hell on earth. Well, he was so wrapped up with his gaining power and defeating Saelithil, he forgot to ask, "Do I really want to do this?" Even Morwel told him he might not know what he is getting into, but he did it anyway. That was his one typical gold elven trait.
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Really? All I can think of are the descriptions of gold elves being "careful" and "thoughtful" and "conservative". Granted, those are just generalizations, but one of the few things we learn about Araevin's actual personality is that he is "inquistive" (or does he just *look* inquistive?). It seems almost a contradiction that he would rush into something without knowing what he is getting into.
I find it VERY telling that both the book and people discussing Araevin as a character (not right in this thread, but elsewehere) are more concerned with what powers he is obtaining rather than what kind of person he is.
Well, I am using the typical Gold Elf anatagonist/protagonist disployed by a lot of the books. Kymil may have been evil, but he still jumped at every chance to gain a little more power to screw with the elves... he made a deal with Lolth.. kind of crazy.
Vhoori did the same thing when he just decided to call out to the SJ ships and bring them down to Faerun. Kind of crazy..
You see what I mean, on one hand we have the thoughtful, conservative gold elves... like I would think Illsevle (sp). However, it seems that the others (Araevin/Kymil) are just plain crazy when it comes to risking stuff without thinking about what they are risking.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Oct 2005 : 22:32:29
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, I am using the typical Gold Elf anatagonist/protagonist disployed by a lot of the books. Kymil may have been evil, but he still jumped at every chance to gain a little more power to screw with the elves... he made a deal with Lolth.. kind of crazy.
Vhoori did the same thing when he just decided to call out to the SJ ships and bring them down to Faerun. Kind of crazy..
You see what I mean, on one hand we have the thoughtful, conservative gold elves... like I would think Illsevle (sp). However, it seems that the others (Araevin/Kymil) are just plain crazy when it comes to risking stuff without thinking about what they are risking.
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Well, there are more gold elves in the Realms than just the ones you've mentioned...have you read Elfsong by Elaine Cunningham? That novel features a gold elf who is a gentle soul and loves music (he is a spellsinger), but he also cares about preserving elven traditions.
I generally try to look at characters as individuals, and not see them just in terms of their race. Kymil being a "power-grabber" just means that's the kind of person he is, it doesn't mean that's a typical gold elf trait. I recall Elaine Cunningham once said (quite quote this, but I think it was on the WotC boards) that she doesn't think of any of her characters as "the quintessential elf". That could easily apply to most characters, I think.
In Araevin's case, my guideline here is the author explicitly describing him as "intelligent and inquistive", as vague as those terms can be. That doesn't mean Araevin will never act without thinking, but generally there is more telling than showing going on in the Last Mythal series, I think. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 00:44:03
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, I am using the typical Gold Elf anatagonist/protagonist disployed by a lot of the books. Kymil may have been evil, but he still jumped at every chance to gain a little more power to screw with the elves... he made a deal with Lolth.. kind of crazy.
Vhoori did the same thing when he just decided to call out to the SJ ships and bring them down to Faerun. Kind of crazy..
You see what I mean, on one hand we have the thoughtful, conservative gold elves... like I would think Illsevle (sp). However, it seems that the others (Araevin/Kymil) are just plain crazy when it comes to risking stuff without thinking about what they are risking.
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Well, there are more gold elves in the Realms than just the ones you've mentioned...have you read Elfsong by Elaine Cunningham? That novel features a gold elf who is a gentle soul and loves music (he is a spellsinger), but he also cares about preserving elven traditions.
I generally try to look at characters as individuals, and not see them just in terms of their race. Kymil being a "power-grabber" just means that's the kind of person he is, it doesn't mean that's a typical gold elf trait. I recall Elaine Cunningham once said (quite quote this, but I think it was on the WotC boards) that she doesn't think of any of her characters as "the quintessential elf". That could easily apply to most characters, I think.
In Araevin's case, my guideline here is the author explicitly describing him as "intelligent and inquistive", as vague as those terms can be. That doesn't mean Araevin will never act without thinking, but generally there is more telling than showing going on in the Last Mythal series, I think.
What I meant is that most of the gold elves portrayed as antagonists/protagonists seem to have that quality. I know they are not typical gold elves. Believe me, Gold elves are my favorite race (especially Fey'ri). I was just saying that to make them characters, the seem to be extraordinary to their race, just as every hero. But, they are just so blind to what they give up when they seek power.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 01:35:53
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Originally posted by Kuje
Over on the WOTC boards Rich said it was just a celestial so those who say it's Morwel are speculating. :)
Indeed.
And until we here otherwise, I'm comfortable accepting the "just a celestial" theory -- for now.
But the Morwel speculation is interesting, even if I don't agree with it  .
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 09:22:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
That doesn't mean Araevin will never act without thinking, but generally there is more telling than showing going on in the Last Mythal series, I think.
Yeah; I find it irritating when I'm told such and such is so intelligent/wise/patient/whatnot, and then his/her/its actions proceed to contradict the grocery list of personality traits many writers are so fond of. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 11:25:59
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Well, I just don't buy that just any celestial can come down and grant powers to a mortal that allows him access to the higher spells of High Elven Magic. Just seems kind of circumspect. Oh well, it's Rich's book - and I guess that would make him the expert. 
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 20:07:06
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
What I meant is that most of the gold elves portrayed as antagonists/protagonists seem to have that quality. I know they are not typical gold elves. Believe me, Gold elves are my favorite race (especially Fey'ri). I was just saying that to make them characters, the seem to be extraordinary to their race, just as every hero. But, they are just so blind to what they give up when they seek power.
The thing is, that could easily apply to anyone who seeks power, not just gold elves.
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Yeah; I find it irritating when I'm told such and such is so intelligent/wise/patient/whatnot, and then his/her/its actions proceed to contradict the grocery list of personality traits many writers are so fond of.
Exactly! I've actually forgotten some of the details of when Araevin met the celestial, but wasn't Araevin able to still communicate with her? It would have been very interesting if he said something to the effect of "Hold on a moment, there! Whatever you're about to do, do not do it until you tell me what you mean when you say I'll have to sacrifice something important." I would have been impressed.
As for the Morwel debate: I kind of agree with C-Fb, but like I said, the book isn't going to be better IMO if the celestial happened to be Morwel rather than some "regular" celestial.
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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 20:17:00
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And that's the point I was trying to make - it could be anyone trying to get power, but it seems that a lot of the protagonists/antagonists who are gold elves seem to be like that. Easily agreeing to power, no matter what the cost. I agree with your assessment, though I was wasn't looking for that deep of book to begin with, I guess.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2005 : 20:36:45
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And that's the point I was trying to make - it could be anyone trying to get power, but it seems that a lot of the protagonists/antagonists who are gold elves seem to be like that. Easily agreeing to power, no matter what the cost.
I guess I should say I'm not sure I see gold elf protagonists necessarily being like that (though some protagonists and "good guys" are certainly power seekers).
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I agree with your assessment, though I was wasn't looking for that deep of book to begin with, I guess.
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Elven Avenger
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Nov 2005 : 23:31:21
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Just finished reading Farthest Reach, what an awesome novel. I really liked this book from being the sequence of Forsaken House.
I would like to congratulate Richard Baker for such a work.
Araevin show to us how you can reach power to help your race without need to mix up with devil and demon races like the sun elves turned into fey'ri did.
Sarya as a great villain, using humans just for interest to accomplish her goal and nothing more, a real sun elf from the old times that does not care about non-elf races.
Seiveril a great leader that showed the possibility of a Return of the elves and construction of a new elven kingdom in Faerun.
The other characters were cool indeed but would take me a lot of time to describe each of them and their merits.
A pitty that we will have to wait so long to get the Final Gate book, june 2006.
So that's all, keep up the good work and make the elf lovers happy with such work of art :) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 21:38:32
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Araevin show to us how you can reach power to help your race without need to mix up with devil and demon races like the sun elves turned into fey'ri did.
But like some others, I don't feel that becoming an outsider should somehow make you a better elven high mage. High Magic is part of being elven, and about connecting with other elves, not something you should be able to just do yourself by changing your identity. It takes away the whole point.
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Winterfox
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 22:25:10
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Originally posted by Elven Avenger
Araevin show to us how you can reach power to help your race without need to mix up with devil and demon races like the sun elves turned into fey'ri did.
I dunno? I thought people've been doing that forever by becoming Chosen or divine agents of good-aligned gods. It's nothing new.
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Sarya as a great villain, using humans just for interest to accomplish her goal and nothing more, a real sun elf from the old times that does not care about non-elf races.
I think she's a fairly intelligent villain, especially compared to most fantasy baddies, but using people as tools isn't anything groundbreaking, either. Remember Kymil Nimesin? Lady Ashemmi?
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Seiveril a great leader that showed the possibility of a Return of the elves and construction of a new elven kingdom in Faerun.
Like Rinonalyrna Fathomlin, I'll have to disagree on that count. IMO, he's waaay too weak-willed and, sometimes, doesn't think about consequences so much.
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The other characters were cool indeed but would take me a lot of time to describe each of them and their merits.
I think the characters are a bit like walking grocery lists of special abilities and weaponry, but to each his/her own. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 22:40:00
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Well, Richard Baker is a developer, and by default may include quite a bit of crunch behind the scenes. Some people are very focused on how realistic (if D&D rules are) the books actually are.
As for Severil being a good leader, well - at least it's realistic, look at the world leaders of today.. comparatively, he's on par.
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 23:04:51
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As for Severil being a good leader, well - at least it's realistic, look at the world leaders of today.. comparatively, he's on par.
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Read the novel, after a bit of wrangling with some other FR fan. Well, it is certainly an very impressive novel. Curious, that there are some thoughts I had been wondering.
Malkizid, the Branded King, seemed to have a very comphrehensive knowledge of mythalcraft, strange that even this devil knows mythalcraft despite not even a elven high mage though he had yet to demonstrate his hands-on-experience with mythals. This evil boss is portrayed in a very good fashion, with incredible patience and even can maintain his coolness even in the most insulting situation, and I do not doubt that every minute in his mind is spent on engineering plans, analyzing potential usefulness of any useful mortals around him, kind of a walking supercomputer.
Araevin struck me as a good, determined if not reckless sun elf, through the Selukiira to gain astounding High magic knowledge seemed like taking a "short-cut" to be a high mage overnight seemed like a new concept, for usually, I believed that great magic comes with hard work. It is certainly a good thing that he found another way to get even with the daemonfey transformation, but given the fact he had exchanged some part of his soul or exchanged his soul for better powers, I wonder how will this affect him, especially when the fey queen mentioned that he will live to regret it, so the first thing that struck me was how was he going to regret it, will he become impotent? (Sorry, I know it is a offensive word, but just for thought)or no longer unable to enter the Reverie and forever marked as "different"?
Seiveril is fine leader, with courage to do what he thinks and believes in despite firm opposition, but tend to be a little carried over by mounting losses in his own army. He is bold, willing to think beyond the veil of doubt and negative stuff to envision something new, better beyond, as well as having good foresight, a visionary. Seiveril mentioned he would set up his new realm in the old Myth Drannor, a dangerously impossible task, if he fails, the Veldans and Durothils will have good ammunition to mock him, if Seiveril and his army manages to purge the city of the remnants of evil, than that would seal the lips of the Veldans and Durothils, who knows Seiveril might be the next Coronal who would become the next legendary Coronal like Coronal Eltargrim. If Myth Drannor rises again, then Evermeet's glory and significance will diminish, will the elves stray away from Evermeet to join a new rising city of new possibilities and new dreams?
Sarya,...nice hot villain boss, if not temperamental and impatient. It was amusing to read that Sarya beat a hasty retreat after outmatched in magic by humans she held in low regard. Sad thing Hillsfaran citizens should suffer for their leader's mistakes, I would certainly hope that Sarya would gut that cowardly Hillsfaran leader. Sarya seemed to be increasingly reliant -Sarya may not know this herself- on Malkizid for mythalcraft knowledge and maybe possibly being lured into some bigger plot engineered by Malkizid, but it appears that Malkizid needs her currently to manipulate mythals, is the branded king withholding something like a "truimph card" in his sleeves that he will flash at the correct moment?, maybe this have to do with the last mythal of Aryvandar.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Dec 2005 : 17:25:08
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If Myth Drannor rises again, then Evermeet's glory and significance will diminish, will the elves stray away from Evermeet to join a new rising city of new possibilities and new dreams?
I don't think a re-risen Myth Drannor would diminish Evermeet in any way... First, once all of the nastybads are cleared out, then there's the physical repairs that must be done. That would take years, if not decades. Remember, the place was ravaged by an enemy army before standing mostly empty for 6+ centuries...
There's also the issue of repairing the mythal... It has seriously degraded over the centuries.
Now, once all of this is done, what do you have? A beautiful city dedicated to the peaceful coexistence of many different races. While it is a noble goal, and will certain draw some elves back to Faerūn, it doesn't compare to what Evermeet is: a nearly unassailable elven stronghold, made by elves, for elves. Evermeet is a shadow of Arvandor or even Faerie. No mere city could compare to that. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Dec 2005 : 20:22:10
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I have to agree with Wooly on this. I think the some Elves would flock to help Myth Drannor repair itself, but I don't think as many would stay and make their home on the mainland of Faerun. Elves have taken a lot of losses, and therefore, if I were them, I would be staying on Evermeet as well.
As for the mythal - with Araevin's new found high magic and mythalcraft, he should be able to repair the mythal. And remember, he did reconnect Myth Glaurgrach as well.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 : 01:16:27
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Originally posted by scererar
I would agree with CFB, every action you take has an opposite reaction at some level. You have to weigh what the sacrifices your men take by following you and beliving in what you can accomplish, out weigh the mission or cause. Severil, in my opinion does look at what the consequences are that his actions will cause.
I don't think so. I find him to quite naive for an elf who is not only old, but also a priest (someone who is good at reading people and having foresight). The fact that he decided to take Fflar away from Arvandor is not only silly, but in a way, selfish.
Also, I have to agree with Araevin's high mage colleagues that the very fact that Araevin is so desperate to wield high magic kind of shows that he is not only not ready for it, but that he doesn't really "get" what using high magic means. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 : 04:14:24
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| RF, your post prooves my every action has an opposite and equal re-action thought. I agree that not all of severil's decisions made sense or could be viewed as correct to the elves, but that is pure perspective of the individual or culture making the opinion, which I would whole heartedly respect. I was just trying to make the point that the greater good of an act outweighs the costs of lives of the people who are willing to follow a said cause, and lay down their lives in defense of it. A "good" leader is never, always right, and in my opinion a good leader does feel the guilt or a heavy burdon for the decisions he makes that effects the lives of others. Additionally I agree with you, Araevin is power hungry to some extent, just because he believes that he can manage the high magic, does not mean that generations of elven law or practices is wrong. they have the rules for a reason. we will see how it all plays out in the final book, and I look forward to it's publication. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 : 05:09:09
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Originally posted by scererar
RF, your post prooves my every action has an opposite and equal re-action thought. I agree that not all of severil's decisions made sense or could be viewed as correct to the elves, but that is pure perspective of the individual or culture making the opinion, which I would whole heartedly respect. I was just trying to make the point that the greater good of an act outweighs the costs of lives of the people who are willing to follow a said cause, and lay down their lives in defense of it. A "good" leader is never, always right, and in my opinion a good leader does feel the guilt or a heavy burdon for the decisions he makes that effects the lives of others.
You're right, but is Seiveril a good leader because he feels guilt? This is my opinion, but I just see him as a not-so-great leader who feels guilt. Additionally, I do not feel that any of the protagonists in this series are worthy of legendary status, especially not status on par with Eltargrim. These are flat characters, and I'm not impressed by them.
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Additionally I agree with you, Araevin is power hungry to some extent, just because he believes that he can manage the high magic, does not mean that generations of elven law or practices is wrong. they have the rules for a reason. we will see how it all plays out in the final book, and I look forward to it's publication.
I do too. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Farthest Reach (The Last Mythal Book II) Spoilers
