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Vangelor
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  00:52:52  Show Profile Send Vangelor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Human mythals are as well... They simply have not had as long to go bad, or been subject to the accumulated stresses of the years.

The First Flowering of the Elves was a long, long time ago. By comparison, Cormyr was founded just yesterday. The human kingdoms where such effects are employed (surely Thay is capable of arranging something of this sort through Circle Magic) are simply not old enough for their standing wards to have stood the test of time.

Or so I suppose.
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Kuje
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  02:12:08  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher

On a side note, I always wondered why the elven mythals were subject to decay and corruption, yet the human mythals were not. Any ideas?



I thought that true mythals were not subject to decay but wizardy one's were. :)

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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  02:31:04  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher

On a side note, I always wondered why the elven mythals were subject to decay and corruption, yet the human mythals were not. Any ideas?



I thought that true mythals were not subject to decay but wizardy one's were. :)
I always assumed that both were subject to decay. However true mythals degraded at a significantly slower rate compared to those created by wizards because wizardly mythals were not considered "fully functioning". After all, Myth Drannor's mythal is described as a true mythal and it has degraded dramatically in only 600 or so years.

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Wooly Rupert
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I think a large factor in mythal decay isn't as much the origin of the mythal, as it is what happens within the mythal. Myth Drannor's mythal is decaying, as has been pointed out. However, that mythal has seen the deaths of countless residents, warfare against very evil foes, incursions from the lower planes...

Mythals are designed, in part, to foster life. Events that run counter to that are liable to upset the fabric of the mythal.

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Kuje
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  02:54:17  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by The SageI always assumed that both were subject to decay. However true mythals degraded at a significantly slower rate compared to those created by wizards because wizardly mythals were not considered "fully functioning". After all, Myth Drannor's mythal is described as a true mythal and it has degraded dramatically in only 600 or so years.




Myth Drannor's is a wizardy mythal, so says page 142 of Cormanthyr. Evereska's is a true mythal. There is a difference.

And Cormanthyr explains the break down: Wizardy one's fail because the magic fails. High Magic one's, I.E. true mythals, fail less so because they draw from nature. They only break down if nature becomes despoiled otherwise they last forever unlike wizardy ones.

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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  03:19:54  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Kuje . I remember now... I got my references all mixed up .

quote:
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I think a large factor in mythal decay isn't as much the origin of the mythal, as it is what happens within the mythal. Myth Drannor's mythal is decaying, as has been pointed out. However, that mythal has seen the deaths of countless residents, warfare against very evil foes, incursions from the lower planes...

Mythals are designed, in part, to foster life. Events that run counter to that are liable to upset the fabric of the mythal.

That's a good point.

The intimate connection that the mythal shares with the life energy within it has the potential to cause a degradation within the very mythal itself if the energy it draws upon is disrupted.

So in essence all mythals, whether true or wizardly, decay -- or rather, have the potential to degrade. So aside from their actual origins, a major factor in the consideration of that decay, is the life energy used to raise them.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 :  18:25:02  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Sandhrune

The Nether Scrolls were created by the ancient creator race, the Sarrukh. The Nether Scrolls were originally call the Golden Skins of the World Serpent and penned by a group of the Sarrukh called the Ba'etith. The scrolls were then conviniently left for the Netherese to find by the Sarrukh called Arthindol, known to the Netherese as the Terraseer, a lich ruler of Oreme.



where is this information in canon material???????
THats incredible

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 :  18:56:23  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think that may have been in Serpent Kingdoms.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 :  18:59:06  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
'Tis indeed in Serpent Kingdoms.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 26 Dec 2005 19:02:34
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 :  02:29:47  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth

quote:
Originally posted by Sandhrune

The Nether Scrolls were created by the ancient creator race, the Sarrukh. The Nether Scrolls were originally call the Golden Skins of the World Serpent and penned by a group of the Sarrukh called the Ba'etith. The scrolls were then conviniently left for the Netherese to find by the Sarrukh called Arthindol, known to the Netherese as the Terraseer, a lich ruler of Oreme.



where is this information in canon material???????
THats incredible

Also, if you perform a search through the archives here at Candlekeep, you'll find several scrolls already set aside for discussions about the sarrukh and Nether Scrolls.

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Beirnadri Magranth
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 :  06:33:03  Show Profile  Visit Beirnadri Magranth's Homepage Send Beirnadri Magranth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
since my last post i have become an expert on the topic ! lol

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