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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 04:23:56
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There is an island that I can't seem to find in any sources I've looked at. To my knowledge it's only shown in the rough map "A Scholar's View of Abeir-Toril" on p. 231 in the 3e FRCS. It's the one north of Icewind Dale and the Icepeak. It doesn't appear to be a representation of Gundarlun, Uttersea or Tuern appearing north of even those far off islands. It roughly between the size of what I can tell is the island of Ruathym and the Lake of Mist (though the sketch isn't perfectly to scale). It is set in a shallow bay off the coast west of the glaciers of the High Ice roughly parallel in latitude to the inlet of the Great Ice Sea far to the east. Anyone have any idea what it is? I would greatly appreciate any information, thanks in advance.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 04:41:15
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| To the best of my knowledge, it's another of those places that's on a map, and that's all we know of it. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 08:06:55
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I would say the same as well...
Also, remember that this is "A Scholar's View", so there is likely some gross elaboration or "assumptions" made about certain regions of Toril that have never been visited by explorers of any mortal humanoid race... and thus leaves the scholar with much freedom to interpret things how he or she sees fit.
In its own way, it is not unlike how the original Great Southern Land (that being the continent of Australia) was originally viewed by explorers from the Northern Hemisphere centuries ago in the real world. Those early assumptions the explorers made about the relative shape of the continent in no way indicated that the land mass was in fact an island separate from surrounding continents and islands.
In other words... you look at this map, with a certain degree of skepticism when regarding the regions of Toril we have few facts about.
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Edited by - The Sage on 14 Jan 2006 08:08:02 |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 10:49:20
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Originally posted by The Sage
I would say the same as well...
Also, remember that this is "A Scholar's View", so there is likely some gross elaboration or "assumptions" made about certain regions of Toril that have never been visited by explorers of any mortal humanoid race... and thus leaves the scholar with much freedom to interpret things how he or she sees fit.
In its own way, it is not unlike how the original Great Southern Land (that being the continent of Australia) was originally viewed by explorers from the Northern Hemisphere centuries ago in the real world. Those early assumptions the explorers made about the relative shape of the continent in no way indicated that the land mass was in fact an island separate from surrounding continents and islands.
In other words... you look at this map, with a certain degree of skepticism when regarding the regions of Toril we have few facts about.
I gave the island a name in the 3rd patch for the FR Interactive Atlas where I snuck in hundreds of new tags. Someone check, but I think it was Umukek. (Can you guess why?)
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 10:57:36
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Sure. But did Linda thank you? 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 15:54:28
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
I gave the island a name in the 3rd patch for the FR Interactive Atlas where I snuck in hundreds of new tags. Someone check, but I think it was Umukek. (Can you guess why?)
--Eric
So Umukek was named after someone?
I'm not sure that's the one he's referring to, though... The Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas shows Umukek being northwest of the Icepeak, and about the same size.
Looking at the map in the FRCS, I think that Umukek is too small to show on it. However, looking at the Atlas... Map B1alc (the first choice after typing "Icewind Dale" into the "Find in Atlas" option under Go) shows a large island (or seriously large iceberg!) in the middle of a large bay, right at the northeast edge of the Sea of Moving Ice. It's more NNE of Icewind Dale, and NW of the Lonefang.
If that's what Archwizard is talking about, there's no name for it (at least, not on this map), and there are no details showing. That's why I'm wondering if it might not be a large iceberg, or a seriously ice-over island... |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 16:08:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
I gave the island a name in the 3rd patch for the FR Interactive Atlas where I snuck in hundreds of new tags. Someone check, but I think it was Umukek. (Can you guess why?)
--Eric
So Umukek was named after someone?
Specifically, Linda Kekumu, a cartographer who I *think* worked on the Atlas. At least, her name pops up a lot in the FAQ in the main library.
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I'm not sure that's the one he's referring to, though... The Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas shows Umukek being northwest of the Icepeak, and about the same size.
Looking at the map in the FRCS, I think that Umukek is too small to show on it. However, looking at the Atlas... Map B1alc (the first choice after typing "Icewind Dale" into the "Find in Atlas" option under Go) shows a large island (or seriously large iceberg!) in the middle of a large bay, right at the northeast edge of the Sea of Moving Ice. It's more NNE of Icewind Dale, and NW of the Lonefang.
If that's what Archwizard is talking about, there's no name for it (at least, not on this map), and there are no details showing. That's why I'm wondering if it might not be a large iceberg, or a seriously ice-over island...
Is it possible we're tripping over the slight map distortion between 2e and 3e? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 16:35:26
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
I gave the island a name in the 3rd patch for the FR Interactive Atlas where I snuck in hundreds of new tags. Someone check, but I think it was Umukek. (Can you guess why?)
--Eric
No, I don't think it's Umukek. It's a possibility I suppose, but there is a size differential between the map in the FRCS and the Interactive Atlas, which would in itself, support my earlier comments about a "Scholar's View"  .
Could you be a little more specific about this island you are looking at Archwizard?
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Jan 2006 : 23:30:32
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I don't have the interactive atlas so I'm not sure.
As for being more specific, it is the northern most isle off of Faerun's northern coast. Above and to the left of the label "Faerun," roughly along the same height as the words "Great Ice Sea" on the Scholar's View of Abeir-Toril.
I would circle it on a scanned pic of the map, but I have no where to put it up for viewing online, and doing so would probably be inappropriate for copyright reasons and what not. |
Edited by - Archwizard on 16 Jan 2006 02:10:35 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 02:43:06
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| I'm fairly certain you're referring to the island I described. If so, there is absolutely zero info on it, unless Ed has something scribbled down on a scrap of paper in a box in his basement. |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 03:43:44
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If that's the case, then I half-hope both you and I are right, that there is nothing about it. I've been running a small game on an isolated northern isle and I saw that on the map. Figured it was a good place to peg my island down, but I also like to work within Realms canon as much as possible. Although my game has shifted away from the island, I have too much on this place to just put down, but not enough that if this island was named or detailed it would cause any real disruption.
Any more ideas on which island this is? Anything would be welcomed. And my thanks to everyone for the help so far. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 04:25:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm fairly certain you're referring to the island I described. If so, there is absolutely zero info on it, unless Ed has something scribbled down on a scrap of paper in a box in his basement.
And if that is in fact the case... you can always try and ping Ed about the particular island in his own scroll here at Candlekeep. Perhaps he can share what little information he may have on the island in question.
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