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Squick
Acolyte
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 Posted - 26 May 2005 : 13:42:51
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Can anyone please point me to the definitive source (whether online or in print) of the Border Kingdoms. I would very much like to run a campaign centred on the Lake of Stream and I am gathering as much info about the environs.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 14:10:44
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The best source for information on the Border Kingdoms is Ed Greenwood's "Elminster's Everwinking Eye" series in Polyhedron magazine. The entire series ran from issue #109 to issue #148.
Unfortunately though... the alphabetical detailing of the cities and kingdoms finished at "O".
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Squick
Acolyte
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 14:35:56
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 18:05:14
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Originally posted by Squick
Hmmm, I was worried about that -- how does one get hold of Polyhedron magazines long out of print?
I'd suggest looking for people selling their collection on EBay, and to look through the boxes with old magazines most sellers of used books have. |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
1025 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 19:42:05
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 22:18:09
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*groans* Or you could start with the logical thing or check with the publisher, yes.
Then again, it's more fun going through piles of old magazines in dusty shops |
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LordAnki
Seeker
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 22:29:03
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 06:26:42
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Ed Greenwood himself might have copies of those articles he could donate to Candlekeep...
of course, copyright laws may prevent him from doing so. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 07:08:55
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Umm, no ... they are the property of WotC. Ed can't provide copies even if he wanted to without their permission (assuming he can access them in a medium that makes transfer easy - ala computer files). As he mused to me once, many moons ago, in the old TSR days we would have had a "Border Kingdoms" sourcebook, collecting and collating all the articles with a bit more stuff, done by some junior staffer/designer, about 6-12 months after the column had run its course - but not anymore. For anyone living in Australia, I'd supply copies ... but you know how it is.
Oh, and Dargoth & Sage, I haven't forgotten about you - the p/copies sit in my study: I just have to get to a PO and get a box big enough to fit the 'delivery'. I'll get my act together soon - promise.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 07:19:53
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh, and Dargoth & Sage, I haven't forgotten about you - the p/copies sit in my study: I just have to get to a PO and get a box big enough to fit the 'delivery'. I'll get my act together soon - promise.
That's great to hear  .
And, I didn't think you had forgotten, I just know that you're busy with other concerns, as well as with your committments to the Realmslore. As always, I appreciate the assistance from my fellow Australians .
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Squick
Acolyte
4 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 07:35:27
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Thanks for all the practical advice. It just kind of bothers me to know that such material exists, but it's such a bitch to get hold of. 
And George, does your selfless generosity extend to Kiwis?  |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 19:03:28
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For the sake of people trying to obtain these issues, the Polyhedrons with the Border Kingdom articles are 109–111, 115–121, 123–148.
It's now getting on for four year that we've been waiting for the rest of the series. Too long. |
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
USA
357 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2005 : 03:22:56
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| Do those articles cover the land just north of the Lake of Steam? I'd love to get my hands on those. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
1025 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2005 : 18:43:19
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 21:29:45
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| I thought that the 3.5e Shining South tome had a little on the Border Kingdoms as well... then again, it has been a while that I looked into it. |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
1025 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2005 : 21:52:10
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| I believer you're right. I think the 3.5E Shining South does have a half page or so on the Border Kingdoms, but your best bet is still Ed's articles. Also, one of the rogue novels takes place in Oeble -- sorry blanking on the name. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
1025 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 17:27:15
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Oh, yeah. Thanks. It's been so long, I forgot about that one....  |
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Squick
Acolyte
4 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 10:05:19
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Thanks Sage (for that link), anything is helpful. I've got the 3.5E Shining South and it isn't very helpful concerning the Border Kingdoms. I have come across Noble Knight Games, and they seem to have every copy of Polyhedron mentioned by Faraer (thanks for that BTW), which I might very well get.
Isn't it weird though, that this material hasn't been integrated into any of the 3E books? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 14:34:07
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Originally posted by Squick
I have come across Noble Knight Games, and they seem to have every copy of Polyhedron mentioned by Faraer (thanks for that BTW), which I might very well get.
Kuje is a strong proponent of Noble Knight games, and with very good reason, as I'm starting to realise myself.
And the Border Kingdoms articles are definitely worth every gold piece. Truly inspiring Realmslore... .
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Isn't it weird though, that this material hasn't been integrated into any of the 3E books?
Krash pretty much already stated why such material has never seen any true publication, but I'm sure every scribe here who has read these articles will agree whole-heartedly with you .
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 15:28:20
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I sent this thread to Ed for his comment, but all that he could tell me, struggling against the stern iron bondage of many, many NDAs, was: "Meep! MEEP!"
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 17:53:21
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I sent this thread to Ed for his comment, but all that he could tell me, struggling against the stern iron bondage of many, many NDAs, was: "Meep! MEEP!"
love to all,
THO
I thought you were the only one allowed to use bondage on Ed...  |
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 19:17:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I sent this thread to Ed for his comment, but all that he could tell me, struggling against the stern iron bondage of many, many NDAs, was: "Meep! MEEP!"
love to all,
THO
I thought you were the only one allowed to use bondage on Ed...
Well, she IS the Hooded ONE. The NDAs were "many, many". Thus and ergo, THO is the only ONE allowed thus.
(No, my arguments are much better than that; you only can work with what you're given though.)
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 02:38:24
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Or play with what you're given.
Seriously, Ed wants to say something about this topic in the worst way, but can't.
The moment he can, I'm sure he'll tell me.
If I loosen his bonds enough, that is.
love,
THO
P.S. Now I have to scamper back to Ed and play Hide The Whip again.  |
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 02:52:26
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Or play with what you're given.
Seriously, Ed wants to say something about this topic in the worst way, but can't.
The moment he can, I'm sure he'll tell me.
If I loosen his bonds enough, that is.
love,
THO
P.S. Now I have to scamper back to Ed and play Hide The Whip again.
LOL... Well, the quickest way I know to circumvent an NDA is a retainer agreement - after all, there's not a court I can think of that would barrel through attorney-client confidences to find for the NDA holder. Though, there'd have to be a retainer agreement first... and I'm not licensed in Canada. Know people who are who'd associate me in (after all, I'm down the road from the USPTO...) but, that'd really just help me, unless, of couse, Ed does need some good 'ol Virginian Legal Advice.
Anyways, confidences or not, I'm realllly not all that sure I want to know where that whip was hidden. Or interfere.
(and to keep Big Al happy:)
When Ed can speak, or, more accurately, when he's able and you let him let us know. 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 03:35:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
Nice way to end such a law-filled post Lysander .
Thankyew, thankyew, I'll be here all week.
It was better than ranting about my morning. By the end of it, I was almost ready to forment rebellion and set up my own Border Kingdom!   |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 03:51:47
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Actually, I've often thought that some of the lesser principalities would make fine additions to the Border Kingdoms area of the Realms -- with notable alterations to the material of course .
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
183 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 04:03:08
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, I've often thought that some of the lesser principalities would make fine additions to the Border Kingdoms area of the Realms -- with notable alterations to the material of course .
Of course, but when aren't there alterations to the material? |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 00:48:47
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Dear Scribes: does any of you know if there exists a "master" version of the Border Kingdoms articles? I wish to have them all under one big document instead of multiple downloads.
Any help would be much appreciated! |
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