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Alaundo
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 Posted - 24 May 2005 : 09:02:42
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Well met
It appears now that Maiden of Pain (book 3 of The Priests Series, by Kameron M Franklin) has been seen in stores and also read by a small number of scribes here at Candlekeep. A few comments and questions have already been posted on other threads but in order to keep discussions in a consistant area, please post any comments\feedback etc. in this scroll.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 20:21:07
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| It's true, it does seem out early. I picked it up yesterday. |
"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
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Prince Forge of Avalon
Learned Scribe
USA
117 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 21:41:29
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AHHHH good finally I'm not the only one who has it and read it.
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 22:50:07
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| And where are you located, SirUrza? Prince is in PA, so I'm wondering if this might be a regional thing (I checked my local Borders and they didn't even have it listed "in-store" yet. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 May 2005 : 03:42:13
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| Well I'm in PA.So I'll go,and check a few stores out on Thursday,and see if it is indeed out in this area.When was the official date for it's release???? |
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 03:51:54
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| According to Phil, June 10. Amazon had it listed as June 7th, but I noticed that they are now shipping orders. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 May 2005 : 18:16:17
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Originally posted by Kameron M. Franklin
And where are you located, SirUrza?
Long Island, New York. Got it at borders.
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"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
The original and unapologetic Arilyn, Aribeth, Seoni Fanboy. |
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Xysma
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VEDSICA
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USA
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 05:27:51
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| Borders.Waldenbooks.All within teleporting distance.I'm off to grab my copy. |
LIFE,BIRTH,BLOOD,DOOM---THE HOLE IN THE GROUND IS COMING ROUND SOON----BLS |
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Alaundo
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 17:18:41
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| Well Alaundo I haven't been able to get my hands on a copy just yet.This morning I went to B.Dalton and Walden,and they didn't have it.Though the gentleman at B.Dalton ,and the fine young lass at Walden both checked for me,and said that some were shipped to the store,but must have sold out.They both said to try Barnes and Noble...We'll see |
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Prince Forge of Avalon
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 22:38:44
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Well it appears I maybe the lucky 1st to finish this tome,( I finished it last week)and have already asked Kameron my question about the tome and will definately write up a review on amazon for it ( per Kameron's request.
SLIGHT SPOILER WARNING*******************************************
As for my review of the book: I enjoyed the main character very much, the action of the book kept me intrested, and there were only a few things I could have wished for; I would have liked to see more magic from the main character, I liked how Kameron explained her "divine " connection to her goddess. I was also hopping for a certain showdown that never occured but thats ok. The book really left me wanting more of this story as it seemed to go so quick, so all I could really want is more of Kameron's stories!
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 00:15:44
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Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon
SLIGHT SPOILER WARNING*******************************************
As for my review of the book: I enjoyed the main character very much, the action of the book kept me intrested, and there were only a few things I could have wished for; I would have liked to see more magic from the main character, I liked how Kameron explained her "divine " connection to her goddess. I was also hopping for a certain showdown that never occured but thats ok. The book really left me wanting more of this story as it seemed to go so quick, so all I could really want is more of Kameron's stories!
PFoA
I was afraid people would want more magic from Ythnel. I attribute the "lack" to two things: my natural tendancy to low-magic stories/adventures, and the fact that I wanted Ythnel to be a "low-level" cleric. If I get the chance to revisit the character, you can definitely expect more spells from her.
A certain showdown? Hmmm, I'm intrigued. Who was it? Ythnel vs. Saestra? I had to leave some loose strings for another tale.  |
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Prince Forge of Avalon
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 05:21:00
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Kameron,
That was what I was figuring when it came to magic and I definately hope to see more stories about her and the area, which by the way I really enjoyed. It's always nice to see a new area explored.
As for the showdown, that one I'd like to see later in her future and what nice irony it would be to see her and Naeros go at it again. But I really wanted to see Kestus put and end to......... but it figures the snake would run and hide!!!
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 06:24:38
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Ah, yes. Frustration was totally intended there.  Rest assured, I too wish to see the Hawk and the snake meet again. And I have an idea I would like to pursue that brings Ythnel and her new protege back into conflict with the Karanoks.  |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 15:37:25
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Originally posted by Kameron M. Franklin
Ah, yes. Frustration was totally intended there. Rest assured, I too wish to see the Hawk and the snake meet again. And I have an idea I would like to pursue that brings Ythnel and her new protege back into conflict with the Karanoks.
Kameron, thanks for writing this book! Let me just say that I loved it, and I couldn't put it down.
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Ythnel is one of the best characters I've read in a long time. I appreciated the way that you didn't make her all "lovey" with Iuna, and when she left Prisus on the stake, that was perfect. She was portrayed very much how I thought a neutral-ish Loviator would act.
I was very excited to see werecrocodiles given some attention, they were well done, and I thought you depicted wererats much better than any other depiction I've read. I'd like to see more of Kohtakah, maybe when Mulkammu catches up with him I can't wait for Kestus to find Therescales, and I love that Saestra got her revenge against Naeros. A couple of questions, you gave us a hint that Jaerios had some sort of "power" but you never addressed that again... what was it? Also, what made you decide on Entropy? It was a good choice, I just wondered what went into the decision. |
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 16:46:06
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Originally posted by Xysma
Kameron, thanks for writing this book! Let me just say that I loved it, and I couldn't put it down.
You're quite welcome, and thanks for the praise.
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Ythnel is one of the best characters I've read in a long time. I appreciated the way that you didn't make her all "lovey" with Iuna, and when she left Prisus on the stake, that was perfect. She was portrayed very much how I thought a neutral-ish Loviator would act.
I was very excited to see werecrocodiles given some attention, they were well done, and I thought you depicted wererats much better than any other depiction I've read. I'd like to see more of Kohtakah, maybe when Mulkammu catches up with him I can't wait for Kestus to find Therescales, and I love that Saestra got her revenge against Naeros. A couple of questions, you gave us a hint that Jaerios had some sort of "power" but you never addressed that again... what was it? Also, what made you decide on Entropy? It was a good choice, I just wondered what went into the decision.
Jaerios, like his daughter, is a cleric of Entropy. The "power" he exhibited in his office was the spell shatter. Entropy is the state religion in Luthcheq; I was merely following the source material. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2005 : 18:17:37
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Originally posted by Kameron M. Franklin
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Originally posted by Xysma
Kameron, thanks for writing this book! Let me just say that I loved it, and I couldn't put it down.
You're quite welcome, and thanks for the praise.
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spoiler warning...
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Ythnel is one of the best characters I've read in a long time. I appreciated the way that you didn't make her all "lovey" with Iuna, and when she left Prisus on the stake, that was perfect. She was portrayed very much how I thought a neutral-ish Loviator would act.
I was very excited to see werecrocodiles given some attention, they were well done, and I thought you depicted wererats much better than any other depiction I've read. I'd like to see more of Kohtakah, maybe when Mulkammu catches up with him I can't wait for Kestus to find Therescales, and I love that Saestra got her revenge against Naeros. A couple of questions, you gave us a hint that Jaerios had some sort of "power" but you never addressed that again... what was it? Also, what made you decide on Entropy? It was a good choice, I just wondered what went into the decision.
Jaerios, like his daughter, is a cleric of Entropy. The "power" he exhibited in his office was the spell shatter. Entropy is the state religion in Luthcheq; I was merely following the source material.
Cool, I would have never thought of it as a divine spell since there didn't seem to be any prayer involved. Also, thanks for the bit of Realmslore, I had no idea Entropy was the state religion of Luthcheq. |
War to slay, not to fight long and glorious.
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Year of the Hooded Falcon
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Guide to the Tomes and Tales of the Realms download from Candlekeep
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 18:30:26
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| Yeah, I fudged a little bit on the prayer aspect. However, it felt more natural for the character, as Jaerios isn't really that experienced with the mechanics of divine magic, so his use is more raw and informal. |
"You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 28 May 2005 : 10:00:17
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| I didn`t even know there WAS a place called luthceq. |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
121 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2005 : 18:33:59
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Picked the book up yesterday at West Ed Mall, gonna see if I can read it soon and give a review. I'm almost drooling in anticipation...
And every place I see is going directly into my Novel Areas. It's time to get specific.
PS, read Jess Lebow's sample at the end... (moans) Erlkazar! My favorite place in the realms finally has something written in it. Looks like there's going to be a long string of novels in FR for me to buy.
Edit: Well, some hours later of dispersed reading, I'm now on page 122 and still loving it. All praises so far, apart from a pet peeve that people are explaining the culture of Chessenta via Q&A. Show, not have the people tell. |
So sayeth the Smyther, the Dark Bard of Amn. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2005 : 18:40:38
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| Well as usual I can't find this novel yet. :( Guess I'll try next week. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2005 : 16:21:36
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Well as usual I can't find this novel yet. :( Guess I'll try next week.
What chains did you try? Online shopping an option? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 17:27:10
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Kuje
Well as usual I can't find this novel yet. :( Guess I'll try next week.
What chains did you try? Online shopping an option?
My usuals. Mediplay, Barnes & Noble, and Waldons.
No online shoping for awhile. CC's have to much money on them and they need paid off because of buying RPG sourcebooks. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
228 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 19:50:50
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Originally posted by Smyther
Edit: Well, some hours later of dispersed reading, I'm now on page 122 and still loving it. All praises so far, apart from a pet peeve that people are explaining the culture of Chessenta via Q&A. Show, not have the people tell.
Glad you are enjoying it overall, so far. I totally agree about "show, not tell." The Q&A between Prisus and Ythnel in the carriage, which is what I assume you are referencing, was an intentional breaking of that rule for a couple reasons. First, it didn't really reveal anything new. All that information could be pulled direct from the gaming material. Plus, I think I spend plenty of time elsewhere "showing" the culture of Luthcheq.
Second, and more importantly, I wasn't trying to show anything about Luthcheq in that sequence. Rather, I was attempting to validate Ythnel as teacher. Up to this point, both Prisus and the reader had nothing to base their belief upon Ythnel's ability to be a governess besides her word back in Bezantur. Thus, I was giving evidence of her knowledge--and a little foreshadowing.
Yeah, I know there were probably other ways to do it, but this was quick and easy. Hopefully, the rest of the book will be good enough that you'll soon forget how peeved that made you. |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 30 May 2005 : 23:58:34
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Originally posted by Kameron M. Franklin
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Originally posted by Smyther
Edit: Well, some hours later of dispersed reading, I'm now on page 122 and still loving it. All praises so far, apart from a pet peeve that people are explaining the culture of Chessenta via Q&A. Show, not have the people tell.
Glad you are enjoying it overall, so far. I totally agree about "show, not tell." The Q&A between Prisus and Ythnel in the carriage, which is what I assume you are referencing, was an intentional breaking of that rule for a couple reasons. First, it didn't really reveal anything new. All that information could be pulled direct from the gaming material. Plus, I think I spend plenty of time elsewhere "showing" the culture of Luthcheq.
Second, and more importantly, I wasn't trying to show anything about Luthcheq in that sequence. Rather, I was attempting to validate Ythnel as teacher. Up to this point, both Prisus and the reader had nothing to base their belief upon Ythnel's ability to be a governess besides her word back in Bezantur. Thus, I was giving evidence of her knowledge--and a little foreshadowing.
Yeah, I know there were probably other ways to do it, but this was quick and easy. Hopefully, the rest of the book will be good enough that you'll soon forget how peeved that made you.
I wouldn't say it peeved me, just that it seemed a little out of place. I can see the teaching angle you were getting at, and it retrospect it makes sense, but I still think is was not quite necessary.
I am now on page 269, and there are a few points I would like to make. First off, kudos on writing a darker story. Evil is not a thing to be made light of by a weaker villain, and you've done exceedingly well in showing the depths of depravity that the Karanoks are capable of.
Second, I would like to ask how you came up with the name 'Ythnel.' It seems an odd name, especially for a Thayan (incidentally, I find her character a little on the girly side for being both a Loviatan and a Thayan - giggling at small things being a prime example). I can't say I like the name, something about it irks me, but it seems to somehow fit her character. It's intriguing without being outrageous.
Third and finally, I'll edit this post when I remember what my third and final point was. I shoul get a piece of paper to write things down on as I go along.
All in all, definately a good book, narrowly missing my top ten by a few. But that's a hard category to get into, so I do consider Maiden to be a welcome addition. I'll be back with final comments once I'm done the book. |
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Proc
Acolyte
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 03:45:27
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I picked up this book a few days ago, (for all those still looking for this book, come to Toronto! There seemed to be about a half dozen still available at the nearest bookstore...) and I would like to say congrats to getting your first book out and on the shelves.
As for the tale itself: I enjoyed reading about a darker and morally ambiguous lead character, and getting a taste of the darker side of the Realms through Ythnel.
I have one small critism however, towards the end, you descibe a scene that includes a set of "French" doors. I realize that you have to set the scene, but using a real world description such as that tends to pull me out of the story.
In any event, I enjoyed the novel overall, and I'm looking forward to your next one. |
"May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house."
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 04:00:52
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Originally posted by Proc
I have one small critism however, towards the end, you descibe a scene that includes a set of "French" doors. I realize that you have to set the scene, but using a real world description such as that tends to pull me out of the story.
That is another one of the things I was going to mention, Kameron - as well as a 'chaise lounge,' another french term (perhaps there is a realms-equivalent of France that could be used to describe these doore - I believe Ulgarth was compared to France, but I don't really see it). It seems that is the only serious flaw in the otherwise-excellent story. |
So sayeth the Smyther, the Dark Bard of Amn. |
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Kameron M. Franklin
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 04:23:21
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Doh! Good catch on the "french" doors. I'll admit, by that time, I was probably just ready to be done with the book and didn't give it a second thought, especially with Phil not mentioning it either.
As for Ythnel's name, I chose it from a list of randomly generated names created with EBoN, using the FR chapter. The sound of it fit with the image of the character I had in my mind. |
"You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride |
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Prince Forge of Avalon
Learned Scribe
USA
117 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2005 : 05:45:29
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| Whats EBoN? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2005 : 05:59:04
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Originally posted by Prince Forge of Avalon
Whats EBoN?
The Everchanging Book of Names. :) Do a internet search for it. :)
And for the record, I couldn't live without that program either. I have a Hells of a time coming up with FR names and it helps. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 31 May 2005 05:59:58 |
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