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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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 Posted - 18 May 2005 : 17:03:03
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After reading Champions of Ruin, it got me wondering of the relationship between The Emerald Enclave and The Eldreth Veluuthra. Have the two organizations ever crossed paths and are there cases of them working together?
Whilst I can see that the Emerald Enclave may shun Eldreth, Eldreth's goals may benefit from Enclave activity. Would Eldreth agents work with elven Enclave members perhaps?
Any thoughts?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2005 : 17:29:35
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Whilst I can see that the Emerald Enclave may shun Eldreth, Eldreth's goals may benefit from Enclave activity. Would Eldreth agents work with elven Enclave members perhaps?
Any thoughts?
I don't see why not, depending on what each hoped to accomplish. I would, however, think that it's more likely that EV members would try to manipulate the Emerald Enclave into doing their dirty work... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2005 : 18:22:30
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And I'd think the leaders of the Enclave would be smarter then that. Especially since they are Chosen of 3 deities all at the same time. :)
But I could maybe see them working together.... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2005 : 22:39:06
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Originally posted by kuje31
And I'd think the leaders of the Enclave would be smarter then that. Especially since they are Chosen of 3 deities all at the same time. :)
But I could maybe see them working together....
Well, I could see individual members of the Enclave being manipulated by the EV. I certainly couldn't see the entire group being manipulated, but a few members here and there is an entirely different matter. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2005 : 22:44:30
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, I could see individual members of the Enclave being manipulated by the EV. I certainly couldn't see the entire group being manipulated, but a few members here and there is an entirely different matter.
Aye. I could also see the Enclave doing the same to EV. :) |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 00:25:52
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| Hmm... but aren't there human members in the Emerald Enclave? Wouldn't the Eldreth Veluuthra refuse to work with them just for that reason? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 00:35:41
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... but aren't there human members in the Emerald Enclave? Wouldn't the Eldreth Veluuthra refuse to work with them just for that reason?
There is that as well. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 02:27:44
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... but aren't there human members in the Emerald Enclave? Wouldn't the Eldreth Veluuthra refuse to work with them just for that reason?
Considering that, Wooly's earlier suggestion of manipulation would probably seem to have more validity. But then, given the human presence in the Enclave, and the always increasing hatred for humans inherent among the elves of the EV, I suppose even manipulation itself would be just as unlikely.
I don't think the Eldreth Veluuthra would ever like to admit, either in public or in private, that they'd relied on humans to achieve their ends.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 08:39:03
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| Eldreth Veluuthra? Never heard of them. |
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Alaundo
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 09:04:02
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by khorne
Eldreth Veluuthra? Never heard of them.
Well met
Then I suggest ye get Champions of Ruin, khorne. 'tis all explained therein. A splendid tome indeed 
Of course, one must also not forget about the wonderful details concerning the Uluuth Phlarenn contained within the 2e Cloak and Dagger tome... .
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 09:06:24
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Originally posted by khorne
Eldreth Veluuthra? Never heard of them.
As Big Al pointed out, they're in Champions of Ruin. Also, info on them can be found in Lords of Darkness (if I remember correctly, that is) and the 2E book Cloak & Dagger. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 09:08:31
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... but aren't there human members in the Emerald Enclave? Wouldn't the Eldreth Veluuthra refuse to work with them just for that reason?
Considering that, Wooly's earlier suggestion of manipulation would probably seem to have more validity. But then, given the human presence in the Enclave, and the always increasing hatred for humans inherent among the elves of the EV, I suppose even manipulation itself would be just as unlikely.
I don't think the Eldreth Veluuthra would ever like to admit, either in public or in private, that they'd relied on humans to achieve their ends.
Actually... If they played their cards right, they could turn the EE against other human groups, and then sit back and watch the fun as humans slaughter each other.  |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 09:59:00
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 10:54:29
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 14:32:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually... If they played their cards right, they could turn the EE against other human groups, and then sit back and watch the fun as humans slaughter each other.
I'd thought about that. But I came to the conclusion that maybe some of the Blade Lords wouldn't make the effort to associate themselves with human groups, like the EE, regardless of whether they had the opportunity to manipulate these groups onto a path that leads to their demise.
The hatred for the humans among the EV runs THAT deep...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 17:19:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually... If they played their cards right, they could turn the EE against other human groups, and then sit back and watch the fun as humans slaughter each other.
I'd thought about that. But I came to the conclusion that maybe some of the Blade Lords wouldn't make the effort to associate themselves with human groups, like the EE, regardless of whether they had the opportunity to manipulate these groups onto a path that leads to their demise.
The hatred for the humans among the EV runs THAT deep...
'Tis true. But I can certainly see some of the more pragmatic ones doing it. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 17:20:33
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 19 May 2005 : 17:39:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually... If they played their cards right, they could turn the EE against other human groups, and then sit back and watch the fun as humans slaughter each other.
I'd thought about that. But I came to the conclusion that maybe some of the Blade Lords wouldn't make the effort to associate themselves with human groups, like the EE, regardless of whether they had the opportunity to manipulate these groups onto a path that leads to their demise.
The hatred for the humans among the EV runs THAT deep...
'Tis true. But I can certainly see some of the more pragmatic ones doing it.
I agree... EV surely has a hundred plots (or maybe a bit less ;) going on in different parts of Faerūn, and sure as hell have spies, informants and diplomats (=manipulators) among humans.
I think this is only a matter of perspective. For example, I certainly would see that it“d be possible (and even plausible) to write up a storyline involving EV with the events of the Abraxus affair, eventually leading up to the death of Azoun (perhaps the Red Wizardess who influenced those nobles had been manipulated in turn by the EV, for example). I could even take it as far as plunging Cormyr into a civil war through their machinations... with several strings pulled by the EV members (perhaps involving even the Fire Knives?). Sounds crazy? But it might have been possible even in "canon" Realmslore...
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Bjorn the Studious
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 : 17:14:52
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What about the EE manipulating the EV, say in the Chondalwood where the EV is making significant progress?
What if the druids of the EE somehow tricked low level EV members into doing their bidding? As long as the EE didn't show up on the EV's doors as a bunch of human druids, it might work.
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Lysander
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2005 : 19:35:49
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Originally posted by Bjorn the Studious
What about the EE manipulating the EV, say in the Chondalwood where the EV is making significant progress?
What if the druids of the EE somehow tricked low level EV members into doing their bidding? As long as the EE didn't show up on the EV's doors as a bunch of human druids, it might work.
The mere fact that there are human Druids in EE would prevent communications/orders coming FROM EE to EV. However, I could imagine that EE would make several attempts at getting a working relationship with EV going, thus making themselves succeptible to EV's manipulation: The first few "peace offerings" would probably be met with arrows in the neck, at the very least. Then a Druid could get "lucky" and run across an EV that didn't kill him on sight (say, an Elf EE) and gets caught in a series of "well, if you do this for us... you didn't do so well last time, but we'll give you *another* chance..." to the point where the EE *thinks* they're working together.
Then again, I've always had the EE leadership as not quite what they think they are.  In the 2E red Complete books, at 12th (I think) level a Druid had to best another Druid to advance - but if he lost, would he know it? Under 3.5 rules, the leadership of EE ceased progression as druids, progressing as a cleric while thinking they were advancing as druids. (Similar to how the Ronin PrC and Samurai class in CW work) |
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