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Kuje
Great Reader
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 Posted - 16 May 2005 : 17:50:47
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| Well guys, I can't blame that all on one author. Steven and Ed even included a Chosen of Mielikki in City of Splendors. Ed's name is also on Serpent Kingdoms, which also has a Chosen. Granted 2 others also helped with that book but. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2005 : 05:16:26
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| I should like to point out that the Chosen of other deities aren't nearly as powerful as the Chosen of Mystra... That's part of the reason I'd be happier if they were called Champions or something else. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 May 2005 : 06:18:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I should like to point out that the Chosen of other deities aren't nearly as powerful as the Chosen of Mystra... That's part of the reason I'd be happier if they were called Champions or something else.
I wouldn't argue with that. As I'd already stated earlier in this scroll, the only Chosen in my campaigns are those of Mystra. And in all the years I've campaigned in the Realms, I think I've only ever used one of them... once. It will likely stay that way for the time being, because as I interpret them, Mystra's Chosen, are more like the Lady of Pain in Planescape, at least in terms of being important plot devices ONLY.
The divine champions of other deities will likely have either a specific title that reflects some degree of relevance to their deity's faith, or failing that, will simply be referred to as a proxy.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 May 2005 : 17:47:53
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Shrug, I'm going to be the odd man here again and say I prefer both. Some deities have both Chosens and Proxies. Some deities have Proxies and not Chosen. Some have Chosen and not Proxies. :)
However, I never said that the other Chosen are as powerful as Mystra's. I just prefer that Proxies are different then Chosen, especially since WOTC totally screwed Proxies now. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2005 : 17:49:48
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However, I never said that the other Chosen are as powerful as Mystra's.
Oh, I know. I was stating that for the benefit of others.  |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2005 : 20:43:53
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I have no problem with other deities having chosen, it makes sense to me. I however agree with the Sage's comments that they should be used for plot devices. I'm not a fan of seeing "Chosen of..." templates because that will make PC's want it as something for their characters.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 18 May 2005 : 04:03:10
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I recall that when we were brainstorming for Cloak & Dagger and Steven revealed that Fzoul was going to become 'special' in the eyes of Xvim, that I argued that we put to bed this "Chosen" tag and make it clear that Chosen of Mystra had this title but that other favoured individuals of other gods, not have it and be considered proxies. Of course, by that stage we had a Chosen of Mielikki, a Chosen of Deneir, Chosen of Silvanus & Eldath and obviously more in the pipeline, so this matter wasn't taken up in the text (and likely would have been cut by WotC anyway who I think like the proliferation of "Chosen").
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 18 May 2005 : 04:24:00
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...that I argued that we put to bed this "Chosen" tag and make it clear that Chosen of Mystra had this title...
Did anyone else support this argument with you at the time George?
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 21:48:43
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That term has become a cliche it seems to this FR fan.
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Keep it up and I'm gonna have one named "Chosen of Torm"....
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 May 2005 : 22:00:03
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Greetings, if Mystra have her own chosen, what about the chosen of Selune and Shar? Are there any chosen under them?
Shar has one mentioned in Underdark but it's only a sentence. It doesn't list name, gender, powers, or anything. Selune doesn't have one that we know of officially.
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I've often toyed with the apparent notion of statting a Chosen of Shar myself, but that notion rarely moves past the idea itself...  .
Kuje, how about the semidivine servant of Shar (Volumvax? or something like that) featured in F&P? I think she had granted him a "quasipower" status, yet the divine energy drove him mad. Originally, perhaps, he might have been a Chosen of Shar? I donīt have my books at hand, so I canīt look it up now...
I agree that there could soon be too many "Chosen" wandering around. This smells like more templates or prestige classes  |
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tanthul
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 15:08:37
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| I believe the "Chosen" of Shar are actually the 12 shade lords of Shade Enclave or at least Rivalen. I agree that they should go by other names too such as the Shadows of Shar or something, maybe the Hidden of Mask, or the Moonbeams of Selune. |
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StarBog
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 16:19:25
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| Ironically, as far as I recall from my skimming of the 4e FRPG, in that particular setting, all deities have Chosen (its a Epic-level path IIRC) |
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Calmar
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 23:24:45
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| Are chosen ones the same as proxies? or do proxies play no role in the realms at all? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Sep 2008 : 00:41:04
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In 2e and 3/3.5e they were not the same, now with 4e, I have no idea. Of course, there might be some late 3.5e/4e cross over novels that might say they are the same, but mechanically, Chosen and Proxies have always been different.
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Are chosen ones the same as proxies? or do proxies play no role in the realms at all?
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Chosen of Lathander?
