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Brimstone
Great Reader
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 Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 18:43:04
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The 4E FRCG said that the Manshoon in Undermountain died during the Spellplague.  
The Manshoon that was in Zhentil Keep died fighting the big bad Shades.
The only one thats left PER FRCG is the Vampire Manshoon...  
Thats what Manshoon wants us to think IMO!  |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 22:55:22
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by Sandro
Well, to be fair we don't know that he survived the Spellplague (at least, I don't think we know...). However, of all the holes I want to see exploited, it's the spells above ninth level. Any survivor of Netheril ought to know Mystra's limitations, and now that she's gone... All kinds of fun.
 I'd missed that one thanks to all the stuff that ticked me off. Of course, "spell level" as such no longer exists in 4E, so I guess the Weave had to go just for that alone. Still, it means no barrier to uberspells except by inconsistency... which means we'll see a barrier faster than we can say "inconsistency".
Returning to Manshoon: Wooly (and others), if you have a storyline continuing the Manshoon Wars past where it was unceremoniously swept under the rug for 3E, I'm very interested.
I'd not really done much more than just ponder it... We knew, at the end of 2E, of about a dozen Manshoons that were still active. Considering that they'd all have to find some way around the "kill other clones!" compulsion, some could have (and I think Cloak & Dagger even mentions this) fled to points beyond Faerūn. Others could have altered themselves to be something other than a living Manshoon clone -- so there's so many possibilities. A spelljamming or plane-walking Manshoon would be possible -- or both. Manshoon changing himself to an elf or fey'ri or something would be possible. Manshoon becoming Womanshoon would be possible. Even finding remote places -- like somewhere deep within the Sea of Fallen Stars, or the Kara-Tur -- would be possible. There was simply too much possibility there to ignore, but that was exactly what Wizards did. It remains one of my major beefs about 3E. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Nov 2009 : 23:56:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by Sandro
Well, to be fair we don't know that he survived the Spellplague (at least, I don't think we know...). However, of all the holes I want to see exploited, it's the spells above ninth level. Any survivor of Netheril ought to know Mystra's limitations, and now that she's gone... All kinds of fun.
I'd missed that one thanks to all the stuff that ticked me off. Of course, "spell level" as such no longer exists in 4E, so I guess the Weave had to go just for that alone. Still, it means no barrier to uberspells except by inconsistency... which means we'll see a barrier faster than we can say "inconsistency".
Returning to Manshoon: Wooly (and others), if you have a storyline continuing the Manshoon Wars past where it was unceremoniously swept under the rug for 3E, I'm very interested.
I'd not really done much more than just ponder it... We knew, at the end of 2E, of about a dozen Manshoons that were still active. Considering that they'd all have to find some way around the "kill other clones!" compulsion, some could have (and I think Cloak & Dagger even mentions this) fled to points beyond Faerūn. Others could have altered themselves to be something other than a living Manshoon clone -- so there's so many possibilities. A spelljamming or plane-walking Manshoon would be possible -- or both. Manshoon changing himself to an elf or fey'ri or something would be possible. Manshoon becoming Womanshoon would be possible. Even finding remote places -- like somewhere deep within the Sea of Fallen Stars, or the Kara-Tur -- would be possible. There was simply too much possibility there to ignore, but that was exactly what Wizards did. It remains one of my major beefs about 3E.
I've been fleshing out a more specific plotline, following Steven and Ed's thoughts on the subject. Specifically, from Ed:-
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"The multiple clones, hidden all over the Realms (El has threatened Manshoon in published Realmslore that he knows where they all are), each have the levels, memories, etc. they had when created . . . so some of them are of FAR less power than 'more modern' Manshoons (so killing Manshoon DOES harm him). Manshoon adds new clones from time to time, but what happened with the Manshoon Wars was that all (or almost all) of the clones were awakened at once."
In this instance, I've played up the fact that Manshoon has been generating new clones. Then I've shifted a number of them to various crystal spheres [thinking, "the Realms isn't big enough for all these Manshoons"], with one popping up among the Black Robes on Krynn, another disguised as a Guvner of the Fraternity of Order in Sigil, and, several others masquerading elsewhere across the multiverse. Most are focused primarily on becoming "the one true Manshoon" of Realmspace and, thus, plot and scheme accordingly. However, events in other crystal spheres, like the Second Catalcysm on Krynn and the Faction War in Sigil somewhat disrupted the plans of those clones, so I've had to plot alternate pathways of scheming and conquest for them.
That's about as far as I've taken it, but it needs more work. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Nov 2009 : 18:28:02
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To give opinion what the tease that THO sent us,
I have to say another KoMD novel is on the way.
No, I don't have any special knowledge of what's going on.
Just a guess on what I seen and how I read the tea leaves. |
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