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elven_songstress
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 Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:40:52
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 08:35:18
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Of course, looking over the details for the Umbragen subrace of the drow (called the shadow elves) in Dragon #330 might also provide you with some intriguing notes to borrow from in order to work your idea over.
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 14:03:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
Of course, looking over the details for the Umbragen subrace of the drow (called the shadow elves) in Dragon #330 might also provide you with some intriguing notes to borrow from in order to work your idea over.
Thanks for the info. Any suggestions on their language? DM is really wanting to make this race as complete as possible. Though the shadow elves are based on oriental themes, he don't like the use of heavily-influenced-by-asian elvish. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:26:22
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
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Originally posted by The Sage
Of course, looking over the details for the Umbragen subrace of the drow (called the shadow elves) in Dragon #330 might also provide you with some intriguing notes to borrow from in order to work your idea over.
Thanks for the info. Any suggestions on their language? DM is really wanting to make this race as complete as possible. Though the shadow elves are based on oriental themes, he don't like the use of heavily-influenced-by-asian elvish.
Not as such. But, given their strictly tribal ways, we can assume that the umbragen elves would employ formal runic writing styles using representative symbology which likely has extensive relevance on the continent of Xen'drik.
And before Big Al sees fit to allow my head to meet the ever infamous Staff of the Irritated Moderator +5... I'll finish by making a reference to something Realms related in my suggesting that I will be presenting my ideas for using the shadow elves in FR, here soon  .
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:55:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'll finish by making a reference to something Realms related in my suggesting that I will be presenting my ideas for using the shadow elves in FR, here soon .
As a person who was familiar with the basic D&D setting long before FR, I look forward to reading your ideas for the shadow elves. |
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elven_songstress
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 23:04:43
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| Anything +5 is just scary. I look foward to seeing the information on the Shadow Elves, I have found I really enjoy playing the Ghost Elves too. |
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 05:48:47
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| DM feels like renaming the oriental-shadow elves a bit after I told him that shadow elves exist a long time before we made it up. Suggestions for good names? He's keeping the attributes, appearance, abilities and the like, but just searching for a new name. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 06:20:41
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'll finish by making a reference to something Realms related in my suggesting that I will be presenting my ideas for using the shadow elves in FR, here soon .
As a person who was familiar with the basic D&D setting long before FR, I look forward to reading your ideas for the shadow elves.
I'm another, as I've said elsewhere.
There'll be some OD&D influences in the material, or at least, there has been in the amount I've composed so far. I've tried to keep the Eberronic flavor to a minimum simply because the setting is still new and the race as a whole hasn't been fully detailed yet. I felt it was better to concentrate on the shadow elves of other related settings.
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:08:11
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Are the names "Blade Elf", "Ash Elf" or "Stone/Earth Elf" taken?
About fiends, any good names for one with 6 arms, 4 legs, a wyvern like tail and huge bat like wings? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:42:29
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Blade elves receive a mention in one of the earlier RL tomes, but there's been very little written about them since that time. Ash elves, or at least the name, has been used "unofficially" to refer to a subrace of elves who live on the quasi-elemental plane of ash.
As for stone elves... the only reference I found was to a race of underearth creatures from a children's fantasy book published in 1986. Reading through the description, these elves sound more like dwarves. It seems to play on the theory that both dwarves and elves share a common ancestor.
As for the term "Earth Elf", I have found nothing. Of course, there's really nothing wrong with you using already established elven subrace names and providing your own interpretation for them. Take the drow from Dragonlance for example. They are nothing like the drow of the Forgotten Realms. They merely represent elves who have fallen out of favor with the "light" races. Elves who have instead turned their backs on their people. Cast out of elven society, they are considered "dark" elves.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 04:33:10
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
About fiends, any good names for one with 6 arms, 4 legs, a wyvern like tail and huge bat like wings?
"Sir."
To expand on what the Sage said... Krynn doesn't have drow. There are those called dark elves, but they are born from regular elven families. What sets them apart is their mindset, nothing else.
I'll not mention the setting, but in another fantasy world that I happen to like, the dark elves and regular elves are almost identical. The good elves, eledhel, tend to be more fair of eye and hair, but that's about it -- and its certainly not universal. The dark elves, moredhel, tend towards darker coloration -- but this is again not universal.
The only real difference between the two groups dates far back in their history, when they were ruled by a very powerful race of beings. The moredhel were kept closer to their masters, serving them directly as little more than slaves. The eledhel served the same masters, but they served at a distance -- they stayed in the forests while the moredhel usually lived in the same mountains as their masters.
When their masters left, the moredhel were determined to seize the power their overlords had left. The eledhel were happy to stay in the woods.
And that's the major difference between them. The moredhel usually dwell in mountains, revere their lost masters and try to reclaim their power. The eledhel are like the standard D&D elves.
Oh, and there are documented cases of moredhel turning their back on their tribes and clans, and Returning to the eledhel. They have to go thru a special mystic ritual, but when it's done, where there was a moredhel is now an eledhel. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 04:53:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'll not mention the setting, but in another fantasy world that I happen to like, the dark elves and regular elves are almost identical. The good elves, eledhel, tend to be more fair of eye and hair, but that's about it -- and its certainly not universal. The dark elves, moredhel, tend towards darker coloration -- but this is again not universal.
The only real difference between the two groups dates far back in their history, when they were ruled by a very powerful race of beings. The moredhel were kept closer to their masters, serving them directly as little more than slaves. The eledhel served the same masters, but they served at a distance -- they stayed in the forests while the moredhel usually lived in the same mountains as their masters.
When their masters left, the moredhel were determined to seize the power their overlords had left. The eledhel were happy to stay in the woods.
And that's the major difference between them. The moredhel usually dwell in mountains, revere their lost masters and try to reclaim their power. The eledhel are like the standard D&D elves.
Oh, and there are documented cases of moredhel turning their back on their tribes and clans, and Returning to the eledhel. They have to go thru a special mystic ritual, but when it's done, where there was a moredhel is now an eledhel.
Sounds like Raymond E. Feist's Midkemia world.
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 05:12:01
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*Sigh* What's a good name for oriental based elves? REALLY running dry on ideas...
And the damned fiend...arghh! We're supposed to see it soon...
*Sigh* This is what you get for working with a good storytelling DM but can't create names. Dammit! |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 05:29:27
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Find a Japanese-English dictionary (there are several online ones), and call them something like "Forest People".
I have a program like that on my computer, courtesy of Freelang.com. For "elf" it offers: erufu, sennyo, yousei
People: minshuu, tamikusa, minzoku, minzoku, ninnin, jin
Forest: hayashi, shinrin, mori
Now, I don't claim to speak Japanese, but grabbing a couple of those words and putting them together, I get Hayashi no minzoku, which I believe is the proper way to say "people of the forest" (assuming the words are correct.)
Or just call them sennyo.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 05:35:15
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sounds like Raymond E. Feist's Midkemia world.
Whoops...was I not to guess?
Indeed it does.
Which reminds me, I better get to reading his latest book.
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 05:41:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Find a Japanese-English dictionary (there are several online ones), and call them something like "Forest People".
I have a program like that on my computer, courtesy of Freelang.com. For "elf" it offers: erufu, sennyo, yousei
People: minshuu, tamikusa, minzoku, minzoku, ninnin, jin
Forest: hayashi, shinrin, mori
Now, I don't claim to speak Japanese, but grabbing a couple of those words and putting them together, I get Hayashi no minzoku, which I believe is the proper way to say "people of the forest" (assuming the words are correct.)
Or just call them sennyo.
Arigato... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 11:23:40
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sounds like Raymond E. Feist's Midkemia world.
Whoops...was I not to guess?
Indeed it does.
Which reminds me, I better get to reading his latest book.
I was trying, out of respect for Big Al (read: fear of the staff ) not to mention the world... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 17:36:16
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I was trying, out of respect for Big Al (read: fear of the staff ) not to mention the world...
Aye, ye did well, Wooly
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Rhezarnos
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 09:09:02
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Finally got a name for them elves: Silk Elves. There.
Stats coming soon...hopefully, cos DM's redoing the whole thing. Means I can't use my Elcaros no more.
As for the fiend, the name's Dessorath. It took a hit by a bat to come up with that. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 11:24:10
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As for the fiend, the name's Dessorath. It took a hit by a bat to come up with that.
I prefer less painful methods of name generation, myself. |
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 13:59:15
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Silk Elf (aka Jade Elf)(by me and DM)
These are the closest cousins to the drow. They look very similiar to one with the exception of black hair and jade-green or silver eyes. Besides that, they share nothing more with their darker cousins.
Silk elves are always willing to learn something, anything, that they can. They are deep thinkers that would rationalize and study as much as they can. Their patience is as such that they can watch the complete creation of a wasps' nest or a leaf sprouting from a branch. But they can also act fast when needed, like helping a friend in need, without wasting time analyzing the situation. At first glance, they might seem very serious, but in truth, they can be as lighthearted (though not as mischevious) as a pixie. Unlike some of their cousins, silk elves don't have the aura of superiority around them. They respect everything, friend or foe, and judge someone based on that person's actions, not their past or background.
Silk elves are tall by elven standards, reaching heights of 6 1/2 feet, though there are records of 7 feet. Like their cousins, they are graceful, though somewhat fragile. They are extremely stealthy and possess good dark vision. Some silk elves have facial hair, though only in forms of beards. Like other members of their race, they are strikingly beautiful, an often times their eyes add
an exotic touch to that beauty. They have totally no need for sleep or even Reverie, but have to undergo hibernation at a certain time of the year. The hibernation usually lasts 2 months, and the elves (usually) wake up without any problems.
They have only one deity, Illirien. She is also known (according to the DM) as the sister of Lloth(?!), Lady of the Calming Darkness, the Guide of Night, the Betrayed Lady, and Mistress of the Jade Weave. They have an intense hatred for any who follow Lloth because of the deaths caused by the 'Eight-legged Traitor', including the deaths of the other silk elf gods (Khoras, Morkail and Narein). This doesn't mean they hate all drow, though.
Through Illirien, the jade Weave (someimes known as the Black Jade Weave) was created, allowing the elves to survive their exile. The Weave not only allows the silk elves to casts their spells, but is also tied to them. To destroy the Weave is to destroy all silk elves. Everytime a silk elf dies, her spirit is assimilated into the Weave, becoming part of it. In the same way, when a silk elf child is born, a small part of the Weave enters the child, giving it life.
Originally banished by Corellon Larethian to another plane, they have returned during the Time of Troubles, though they hold no grudge towards their fair skinned cousins. Currently, they are located only on a single island far west of mainland Faerun. On that island, their sole city, Yano-Shi'a can be found. The whole city is made totally out of black jade, a mineral that is actually the hardened blood of Silk Elves. The city's population (which also means the total Silk Elf population) is only around 10,000.
During their exile on another plane (name unknown), these elves had a strong relationship with the native dwarves there. Because of that, they hold all dwarves as their equal (or almost, it depends). The good relationship allowed a trade of skills: The elves learned dwarven warfare and tactics while the dwarves were able to master and draw from the Jade Weave. On Toril, silk elves have had no outside contact so far, so reactions towards the other races are still unknown.
The languages spoken by a silk elf are their own native spoken and sign language, dwarven (from their past contact with dwarves) and draconic. |
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The Sage
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 15:22:55
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Originally posted by Rhezarnos
They have only one deity, Illirien. She is also known (according to the DM) as the sister of Lloth(?!), Lady of the Calming Darkness, the Guide of Night, the Betrayed Lady, and Mistress of the Jade Weave. They have an intense hatred for any who follow Lloth because of the deaths caused by the 'Eight-legged Traitor', including the deaths of the other silk elf gods (Khoras, Morkail and Narein). This doesn't mean they hate all drow, though.
What are Illirien's feelings towards other dark elven deities? Are these other dark elven gods aware yet of her existence in your campaign? |
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 15:47:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
What are the racial names for these "silk elves" like?
Good question...still working on it, with the language, writing, etc.
Will post it once it's done.
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What are Illirien's feelings towards other dark elven deities? Are these other dark elven gods aware yet of her existence in your campaign?
She doesn't hate them as much as she hates her sister, but hates them nonetheless. Except for Eilistraee (did I get the spelling correct?). According to DM, Eilistraee helped warn Illirien about Lloth's betrayal, but was too late for the rest of the silk elven pantheon. As for her existence, everyone thinks she and her followers are dead. This includes the Seldarine, drow pantheon and other pantheons. I know it's bull but...*shrugs* |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 16:18:40
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She doesn't hate them as much as she hates her sister, but hates them nonetheless. Except for Eilistraee (did I get the spelling correct?).
You got it right. Do you wish to stop now or go on to Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?
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As for her existence, everyone thinks she and her followers are dead. This includes the Seldarine, drow pantheon and other pantheons. I know it's bull but...*shrugs*
Not necessarily BS. Others becoming aware of the god and her followers can be a wonderful part of your campaign if your DM so desires it. Such events could make for some wonderful roleplaying scenarios. |
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 : 16:32:07
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Posted - 15 Apr 2005 : 07:13:23
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Done with the silk elven military structure. Here goes...
Strangely, silk elves prefer weapons over spells, though all weapons made are enchanted no matter how crude. Because of this, most silk elves that join the Fiensa (literally army) become warriors.
There are three different classes of the silk elven 'soldiers'. The main one, the Kitasha, is the one that's normally seen in battle. These include footsoldiers, calvary, and archers. Their numbers are the largest in the army, with currently 3000 Kitasha warriors. This does not include the small group of spellcasters (Yasha) that often follow the Kitasha into battle.
The second group is harder to see in the battlefield, though their presence can be felt by traps, chaos within ranks or an assasinated commander. These warriors are the Iyasha. They are stealthy, deadly and extremely effective. Used more for espionage, assasinations or 'preparing' the battlefield, they are almost unseen in public or in battle. They keep their identity a secret, and are conditioned to withstand any form of torture to prevent information leaks.
The third group is the elite force, the Nigasha. These warriors often lead a whole division of Kitasha warriors to combat. They are armed with the Zikiri, a sword with an alterable blade length that resembles a double-edged katana. The Zikiri is extremely difficult to wield, due to the fact that the wielder must constantly concentrate on the blade's length, even in battle. Because of this, the Nigasha are considered unrivaled in focus, concentration and dedication.
All silk elven weapons are bound to their user. If the user dies, the weapons 'dies' with them. Weapons are summoned, not forged. The wielder must draw a piece of the Weave and shape it into their desired weapon. Once done, the weapon is bound for life to its wielder. |
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Posted - 15 Apr 2005 : 07:36:40
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Curse of the silk elf:-
Before being exiled, almost all the silk elven pantheon was killed by Lloth, with the exception of Illirien. As their gods died, Lloth cursed the silk elves' blood to ensure a slow but total extinction of the silk elves. Fortunately, the curse was countered somewhat, reducing the damage caused by the curse though not removing it. Because of this, 1/2 of every silk elf born is cursed. They call it "Lloth's Taint".
The curse was suppose to cause total insanity, but was reduced. Now, those cursed have the risk of going into a wild rage after seeing or tasting blood. This rage takes over the body, but not the mind, leaving the cursed elf to be fully rational and aware of his actions. They will kill all in their path, friend or foe. The rage will continue for as long as the cursed elf can't gain full control of himself. Those cursed are not ostracized, but are treated like any other silk elf. In battle, those to lead the charge are usually small groups of these tainted elves.
A silk elf cursed with Lloth's Taint may try to resist the curse from taking effect, but it gets harder or easier to resist over time.
*Because of this, when creating a silk elf, roll 1d4. If it's odd, the elf is cursed. If even, the elf is not cursed. Simple, eh?
*In combat (if cursed), after scoring a successful hit, the silk elf must roll a d%. There's a 60% chance the silk elf will enter the 'chaos rage'.
*If cursed and gaining a level, the silk elf must make a d% roll. <50% means that the elf gets a -10% penalty on their chaos rage roll.
>50% means that the silk elf gains +5% on their rolls. The penalties and bonuses stack, though there's still a 10% chance of resisting the rage, and a 20% chance to enter the rage, no matter how much the bonus/penalty is. (In other words, there's no such thing as a 100% or 0% chance of resisting the curse. Max chance of resisting: 80%, min chance of resisting: 10% )
That's all, feedback most welcome |
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