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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 21 Mar 2005 : 22:43:28
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
(and some day I'll tell y'all about the Pentad, an alliance of the churches of five gods of four races...but not today, as only three dwelves worshiped among them, and none of them reached high priest stage or any ranking of note)
After a teaser like that, I'm hoping that day is soon!  |
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Jindael
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 00:02:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
(and some day I'll tell y'all about the Pentad, an alliance of the churches of five gods of four races...but not today, as only three dwelves worshiped among them, and none of them reached high priest stage or any ranking of note)
After a teaser like that, I'm hoping that day is soon!
Me being new to the forums and all, do the designers and authors who visit here do that a lot? (giant teasers like the one above). Because, I'm about to pluck myself bald :p I want to know!
For a more serious reply, using mechanics, I offer the following on Dwelves. (Considering the Retreat is "over" and the Thunder Blessing of the dwarves, Dwelves might just start being more common, or at least as common as the planetouched.)
Height: Since both Elves and Dwarves are medium creatures, simply choosing any height between 4'2" and 6' as an "average" should be fine. For randomization, I'd use:
Base height: 4' Modifier +2d12
Weight: This can fluctuate wildly. I wouldn't recommend generating this randomly on a table. Simply decide (or infer from rolling randomly on height) how tall the Dwelf is, and if they have the elven thinness, the dwarven stockiness, or somewhere in-between, and then correlate from that.
Age: Just using the averages
Adulthood: 75
Middle Age: 150
Old: 226
Venerable: 300
Max Age: +3d100
That works out to 75 years of adulthood, 76 years of middle age, 74 years of being old, and 74 years of venerable. Nice, evenly spaced phases of life.
For a Random starting age, I'd use the dwarf table on page 109 of the 3.5 PHB.
As far as Racial abilities.
Darkvision AND Lowlight vision. Best of both worlds, at home in the caves, or under the stars.
+2 racial bonus on saves versus poisons, from their dwarven fortitude.
+4 racial bonus on will saves versus enchantments and charm spells. Combine the fierce individualism of an elf and the legendary stubbornness and magic resistance of a dwarf…
+2 racial bonus on all craft and appraise checks. A Dwelf's dual heritage allows for both a fine appreciation for the intricacies of art, and the firm value of well crafted materials and items.
+2 racial bonus on search checks. The eyes of a Dwelf are attuned to fine details. In addition, when dealing with worked stone or caverns, a Dwelf rolls a search check for secret doors if passing within five feet of one, as though they were actively searching.
Favored class: Any.
In addition, at the players choice, a Dwelf either receives proficiency in The longsword, Rapier, longbow and shortbow (including composite) OR Dwarven Weapon familiarity.
This might be a tad underpowered, it is still better than the half-orc.
My ego is not tied up in this, so comments or ripping it apart is not going to make me fly into a flaming rage.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 00:07:57
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Originally posted by Jindael
Me being new to the forums and all, do the designers and authors who visit here do that a lot? (giant teasers like the one above). Because, I'm about to pluck myself bald :p I want to know!
Yup. Some more than others, of course. And the biggest tease is the lovely Lady Hooded One, who was one of Ed Greenwood's original players and acts as his mouthpiece on the "Ask Ed" thread. Of course, her teasing isn't always Realms-related... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 04:43:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
(and some day I'll tell y'all about the Pentad, an alliance of the churches of five gods of four races...but not today, as only three dwelves worshiped among them, and none of them reached high priest stage or any ranking of note)
After a teaser like that, I'm hoping that day is soon!
I have to agree.
You can't just leave it at that...  .
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tauster
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 09:13:33
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i might be wrong, but wasn´t Myth Drannor named after Mythantar (sp?) and Drannor - "the first elf who married a dwarven lass"? i think it was stated somewhere either in the evermeet novel or in elminster in myth drannor. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 14:05:16
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
(and some day I'll tell y'all about the Pentad, an alliance of the churches of five gods of four races...but not today, as only three dwelves worshiped among them, and none of them reached high priest stage or any ranking of note)
After a teaser like that, I'm hoping that day is soon!
I have to agree.
You can't just leave it at that... .
Are you a bettin' man, Sage? 
Steven
Who's not out to beat THO as the biggest tease around here, as his legs aren't nearly as well shaped and they've never worn fishnets |
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 14:19:42
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Originally posted by Jargan
Drow pride themselves on beauty....how could they 'you know' with that?
Spells like fiendform or shapechange can give a drow (or just about anybody) the necessary resilience to survive such a coupling.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 16:26:02
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Originally posted by tauster
i might be wrong, but wasn´t Myth Drannor named after Mythantar (sp?) and Drannor - "the first elf who married a dwarven lass"? i think it was stated somewhere either in the evermeet novel or in elminster in myth drannor.
Yes, he's the one I mentioned originally. :) In the Cormanthyr sourcebook. |
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
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357 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 19:49:50
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I was just reading through Demihuman Deities, and while discusing the diversity of the elven race, they mention that "...legends speak of halfling-elf and dwarf-elf crosses as well."
Just another place where Dwelves have been mentioned. (As well as the interesting halfling-elf...which probabably doesn't need to be written up; you could just use the Tallfellow halfling.) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 22:35:15
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Originally posted by Jindael
(As well as the interesting halfling-elf...which probabably doesn't need to be written up; you could just use the Tallfellow halfling.)
Would that be a "helf" or an "elfling"?
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 23:01:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jindael
(As well as the interesting halfling-elf...which probabably doesn't need to be written up; you could just use the Tallfellow halfling.)
Would that be a "helf" or an "elfling"?
I was thinking Hinfae. ^_^
I'm only growing more and more curious as to what Steven Schend has come up with for the Pentad. I set up a long campaign once using a similar concept, but had to drop most of it because a new player joined the group, and I wasn't really ready to use the material with such a new person. (It was rather erm..."mature")
The gods I used were Sune, Hanali Celanil, Sharindlar, Sheela Peryroyl and Sharess. Five gods, four races, and their joint effort at creating an artifact. |
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hammer of Moradin
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Posted - 24 Mar 2005 : 07:15:25
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| Now, which race would carry the primary characteristics over to the half-race? Human traits seem to override those of orcs and elves when the races breed. Not that I'm biased or anything, but I think dwarf traits would be the defining characteristics in the offspring of the two races. So, you either have the option of a stocky looking elf with a beard (that's no man, its a woman!) or a slighter framed dwarf with pointy ears. |
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Smyther
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 04:30:29
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Well, what a lot of sub-breeds we have.
How about a human-halfling? Quarterling?
Dwarf-Gnome? (Bearded Gnome  ?) Grubber?
Elf-Gnome? Gnelf?
Let's think up some more... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 06:08:39
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Originally posted by Smyther
Dwarf-Gnome? (Bearded Gnome ?) Grubber?
Gnarf! 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 08:44:52
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Not that "Dwome" sounds that much better mind you .
In fact, now that I think about it... I believe there has been an example of a crossing between a dwarf and a gnome. Its Dragonlance, but I'm sure Big Al wouldn't mind me at least tracking down the reference (only) as it pertains to this discussion.
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Alaundo
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 09:14:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
Not that "Dwome" sounds that much better mind you .
In fact, now that I think about it... I believe there has been an example of a crossing between a dwarf and a gnome. Its Dragonlance, but I'm sure Big Al wouldn't mind me at least tracking down the reference (only) as it pertains to this discussion.
Well met
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 11:22:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
Not that "Dwome" sounds that much better mind you .
In fact, now that I think about it... I believe there has been an example of a crossing between a dwarf and a gnome. Its Dragonlance, but I'm sure Big Al wouldn't mind me at least tracking down the reference (only) as it pertains to this discussion.
It does seem a more likely pairing than an elf and a dwarf... |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 12:21:19
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Originally posted by The Sage
Not that "Dwome" sounds that much better mind you .
In fact, now that I think about it... I believe there has been an example of a crossing between a dwarf and a gnome. Its Dragonlance, but I'm sure Big Al wouldn't mind me at least tracking down the reference (only) as it pertains to this discussion.
There is. It is from one of the anthologies. I'll look it up.
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The Sage
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 00:16:34
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| In Dragonlance mythology, there was this rock called the greystone of somethingortheother (I think). Big chaos magic rock. It floated all over the land, and a bunch of dwarves followed it. The dwarves that wanted to take it apart were made into gnomes, and those who were curious about the floating sparkly were made into Kender. So, in dragonlance, they are all kind of the same race. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 00:34:59
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Originally posted by Jindael
In Dragonlance mythology, there was this rock called the greystone of somethingortheother (I think). Big chaos magic rock. It floated all over the land, and a bunch of dwarves followed it. The dwarves that wanted to take it apart were made into gnomes, and those who were curious about the floating sparkly were made into Kender. So, in dragonlance, they are all kind of the same race.
The Graystone of Gargath. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 06:04:55
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Originally posted by Jindael
In Dragonlance mythology, there was this rock called the greystone of somethingortheother (I think). Big chaos magic rock. It floated all over the land, and a bunch of dwarves followed it. The dwarves that wanted to take it apart were made into gnomes, and those who were curious about the floating sparkly were made into Kender. So, in dragonlance, they are all kind of the same race.
That is not entirely accurate, but since I do not want to de-rail this scroll any further, I will simply say that all the races on Krynn are not "all kind of the same race". Only the minotaurs, gnomes, and kender were the main races to have come from several others races that were present at the Castle of Gargath when the Graygem escaped its bindings.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Graystone of Gargath.
It is actually the Graygem. Gargath is its most famous possessor, but not its creator as some scribes have assumed in other scrolls elsewhere.
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Jindael
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Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 06:15:36
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Originally posted by The Sage
That is not entirely accurate, but since I do not want to de-rail this scroll any further, I will simply say that all the races on Krynn are not "all kind of the same race". Only the minotaurs, gnomes, and kender were the main races to have come from several others races that were present at the Castle of Gargath when the Graygem escaped its bindings.
I was only referring to Gnomes and dwarves, as far as this thread was really concerned, but I admit, it's been a LONG time. (My first Dragonlance book had a retail price of $2.95  )
However, as Sage says, not to derail, has there ever been any mention of any other half/half races in the Realms? |
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tauster
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Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 10:53:16
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Originally posted by Jindael
However, as Sage says, not to derail, has there ever been any mention of any other half/half races in the Realms?
afaik, it´s no canonical information, but a wonderful writeup nontheless (as are all things from this webpage):
elfings - the children of elves and halflings:
http://myth-drannor.net/DlabraddathNet/z-Cormanthyr/Elflings.htm
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 01 Apr 2005 : 04:41:51
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| Dwarves and Gnomes in Krynn produce Gully Dwarves . . . Like cousins getting married . . . I wonder if the genetics are the same in Toril? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Apr 2005 : 05:10:59
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Dwarves and Gnomes in Krynn produce Gully Dwarves . . . Like cousins getting married . . . I wonder if the genetics are the same in Toril?
Huh? I've read a lot of tales of that other world, but I'm not recalling that bit of info...
Besides, if it was true, then there would surely be at least one or two gully dwarves wandering the Realms. I certainly don't recall hearing about this, so I'm thinking that your information may not be entirely correct. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 01 Apr 2005 : 05:17:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Dwarves and Gnomes in Krynn produce Gully Dwarves . . . Like cousins getting married . . . I wonder if the genetics are the same in Toril?
Huh? I've read a lot of tales of that other world, but I'm not recalling that bit of info...
Besides, if it was true, then there would surely be at least one or two gully dwarves wandering the Realms. I certainly don't recall hearing about this, so I'm thinking that your information may not be entirely correct.
News to me as well. Can you post a source, Knight. |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 01 Apr 2005 : 05:52:08
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| Bah . . . my copy of Dragons of Autumn Twilight is safely ensconsced in my daughter room whilst she sleeps, but I am almost certain not only does it explain that gully dwarves are the progeny of such unions, but that dwarves and gnomes both have laws forbidding their intermarriage. As I said, Realms genetics might be quite different, as dwarves and gnomes were "mutated" humans in DL and intentional creations in FR. |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 01 Apr 2005 : 05:54:58
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| Page 14, Chapter One of the 3rd Edition DragonLance Campaign Setting recounts that particular theory of Gully Dwarf genesis. |
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Dwelves...do they exist?
