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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 25 Jul 2005 : 04:46:30
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 00:53:10
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Interesting
Amazon have CoV release date as late october instead of November (it will be handy if it does come out in october instead of november as RA Salvatores latest novel also comes out around the same time) |
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
151 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2005 : 12:04:09
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Hi Thomas (are you still on this Thread?),
I was wondering if there would be a Helmite PrC (or other crunchy Helmite goodies)in CoV?
Helm has been poorly covered in 3Ed material and this source book seems to be the right place to have, at last, some Helm-themed stuff.
In advance, thanks a lot for your reply!
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
334 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 14:46:05
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Yes -- there will be plenty of this sort of info in the book.
Thomas |
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
151 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 15:59:47
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Thanks a lot, Thomas!
Maybe I am going a bit overboard, but I would like to ask you yet another thing.
I am starting in a new campaign this Sunday (haven't been a player for ages, so I am quite excited) and will be playing a LN Tiefling Cleric of Helm from the area of Dragonspear castle with a strong martial bend (him being a Tiefling is just for the RP fun of playing a fiend-hunter with fiendish origins - not very original, but hopefully fun ).
I am just afraid to botch my Feat/Skill selection and so prevent my character to access a Helmite PrC that might come out in CoV (November is still far away). I know it might be too much to ask, but could you let me know if there are some Feats or Skills I should try to favor when developping my character in the next months, so that I do not miss the train on that nifty PrC that you guys are going to put out in November?
In advance, thanks a lot for considering this query. Hope you can help me out!
Best wishes,
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 04:42:57
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Originally posted by Bocklin
I know it might be too much to ask, but could you let me know if there are some Feats or Skills I should try to favor when developping my character in the next months, so that I do not miss the train on that nifty PrC that you guys are going to put out in November?
There are going to be numerous PrCs in the book, covering a wide variety of flavors, deities, and so forth. If it was just one entry, I wouldn't mind, but I just don't have the time to go dig back through the files and find every tidbit that would apply. In addition, the development folks at WotC will undoubtedly tweak a few things, so there's always the chance that anything I provide you would be incorrect when the tome is printed, anyway. Sorry to disappoint, but there are limits to what I can feasibly do during my work day.
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Bocklin
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 09:19:18
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OK. I understand.
Bocklin
PS: not trying to change your mind, but I did not mean for you to give me info on all PrCs; my interest was limited to a potential Helmite one. But I'll just wait until November.
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
There are going to be numerous PrCs in the book, covering a wide variety of flavors, deities, and so forth. If it was just one entry, I wouldn't mind, but I just don't have the time to go dig back through the files and find every tidbit that would apply. In addition, the development folks at WotC will undoubtedly tweak a few things, so there's always the chance that anything I provide you would be incorrect when the tome is printed, anyway. Sorry to disappoint, but there are limits to what I can feasibly do during my work day.
Thomas
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 19:19:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
[It would be nice to see the lythari receive a proper write-up, instead of being lumped in with werewolves. Whether or not we'll see that is a good question, though. I hope you're right!
I hope he's right too. I really do like the lythari (though I'm more of a dwarf fan -- they don't get nearly enough attention in the Realms). Some of us like the idea of non-evil werewolves and other lycanthropes. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 21:58:34
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
[It would be nice to see the lythari receive a proper write-up, instead of being lumped in with werewolves. Whether or not we'll see that is a good question, though. I hope you're right!
I hope he's right too. I really do like the lythari (though I'm more of a dwarf fan -- they don't get nearly enough attention in the Realms). Some of us like the idea of non-evil werewolves and other lycanthropes.
I agree. I have adopted the Wolfen from Palladium fantasy. They are not Werewolves but they look like werewolves in their Man/Wolf form without the sinister look. They are all barbaric, Immune to Lycanthropy, and have the general pack mentallity. WHen I get back home from Arizona I will try to post the race. Unfortunately I just began to AGAIN run D&D and All my old notes are in 2nd edition format. I will have to squeeze the Wolfen into the cookie cutter I guess.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 02:21:21
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| I wonder if well get our first look at CoV in Mat Smiths "Whats coming up article" which should appear on the WOTC website in around 4 hours and 40 minutes |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 02:31:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Well, i just finish to read the Starlight and Shadows trilogy (and I have to five my word, this was my first reading of Elaine books - and I“m adicted  ). And this put me to wonder if it“s time to start the bets about how will be the 3 "new races of valor" that will, certainlly, appear in the Champions of Valor (as the extaaminar, krinth and draegloth in the Champions of Ruin).
Sooo, my first vote go to the lithari! 
Chosen of Moradin, really expecting that he have hit the mark this time. 
It would be nice to see the lythari receive a proper write-up, instead of being lumped in with werewolves. Whether or not we'll see that is a good question, though. I hope you're right!
Yes! Bring the Lythari to their great glory! I've loved this race since I picked up D&D back in the 80s. They truly haven't got a very good write-up, so everybody now, "Let's go Lythari, Let's go! Let's go Ly..." ok, you get it. |
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Cam Beul
Acolyte
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 06:09:43
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| Having arrived at the dawn of 3rd Edition, I liked the lythari for what little of them was printed in Races of Faerun and Monsters of Faerun. It would be nice to see them presented in CoV. Hopefully, unlike in CoR, their won't be new races that should so obviously have a higher ECL, but start out with a +0 level adjustment for the sake of being accessible. Really that irked me. A monster class progression would have been fine, like with the Draegloth. Or a more extensive write-up for a creature that had been there but needed a Realms representation. The skulk, for one, would have done nicely there. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 11:57:39
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Originally posted by Cam Beul
Having arrived at the dawn of 3rd Edition, I liked the lythari for what little of them was printed in Races of Faerun and Monsters of Faerun. It would be nice to see them presented in CoV. Hopefully, unlike in CoR, their won't be new races that should so obviously have a higher ECL, but start out with a +0 level adjustment for the sake of being accessible. Really that irked me. A monster class progression would have been fine, like with the Draegloth. Or a more extensive write-up for a creature that had been there but needed a Realms representation. The skulk, for one, would have done nicely there.
The Draegloth "class" has so many errors in it it was even funny.
As to a Progression for Lythari, there technically is one on the wizards site for it. At this Link http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040117a
Since a Lythari is a Natural Elven Werewolf of CG alignment. Before even applying any classes they are ECL 5. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 15:42:51
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Originally posted by warlockco
As to a Progression for Lythari, there technically is one on the wizards site for it. At this Link http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040117a
Since a Lythari is a Natural Elven Werewolf of CG alignment. Before even applying any classes they are ECL 5.
Yeah, but despite the lumping in of lythari with werewolves in 3E, they really aren't the same thing.
Lythari are simply elves who can turn into wolves. They have no hybrid (Crinos) form, they are not affected by the moon, and their abilities can only be passed on by reproduction or by a ritual performed with a willing elf -- none of the "Ha, I bit you, now you're screwed the next time Selūne is full!"
Honestly, the 3E write-up of lythari was not only woefully short, it was stuck in the wrong place for simple convenience. Saying lythari are lycanthropes is like calling swanmays "wereswans". |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 15:48:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Honestly, the 3E write-up of lythari was not only woefully short, it was stuck in the wrong place for simple convenience. Saying lythari are lycanthropes is like calling swanmays "wereswans".
I must admit, I feel the same way. They really need to feature as a major component of a sourcebook, rather than feeling like they are just an "add-on" piece.
When it came to their inclusion in 3e, I was left feeling like I "needed" more after reading about the lythari.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 17:10:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by warlockco
As to a Progression for Lythari, there technically is one on the wizards site for it. At this Link http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040117a
Since a Lythari is a Natural Elven Werewolf of CG alignment. Before even applying any classes they are ECL 5.
Yeah, but despite the lumping in of lythari with werewolves in 3E, they really aren't the same thing.
Lythari are simply elves who can turn into wolves. They have no hybrid (Crinos) form, they are not affected by the moon, and their abilities can only be passed on by reproduction or by a ritual performed with a willing elf -- none of the "Ha, I bit you, now you're screwed the next time Selūne is full!"
Honestly, the 3E write-up of lythari was not only woefully short, it was stuck in the wrong place for simple convenience. Saying lythari are lycanthropes is like calling swanmays "wereswans".
This is one of the things that bug me about the new lythari, and that they now have a hybrid form. Grumble. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 17:43:38
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Originally posted by Kuje
This is one of the things that bug me about the new lythari, and that they now have a hybrid form. Grumble.
Not according to Monsters of Faerūn... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 17:50:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
This is one of the things that bug me about the new lythari, and that they now have a hybrid form. Grumble.
Not according to Monsters of Faerūn...
But according to Races, which came out later, they do and Rich also agreed with Races. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 18:08:01
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
This is one of the things that bug me about the new lythari, and that they now have a hybrid form. Grumble.
Not according to Monsters of Faerūn...
But according to Races, which came out later, they do and Rich also agreed with Races.
Hmmm...
Well, in that case, it gives me something to ignore from Races. Lythari are not lycanthropes, simple as that -- if they are, then swanmays and selkies should be considered lycanthropes, as well.
As for Rich's statement... Well, it is in line with them being considered lycanthropes -- so it's valid, if you ignore 2E lore. I am sticking with the old lore on lythari. And it's not the first time I've disagreed with one of Rich's calls.
But... I think we've threadjacked this thread enough. Should we drop it, or start a thread about lythari? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2005 : 05:56:34
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| Anyone else getting psyched for this to come out? I know we still have a month yet, but I have a very interested Helmite in my group chomping at the bit for this. I wonder if it will follow a similar format, i.e. if it will not only have "good" races, spells, items, PrCs, memberships in "good" organizations, but also "good" patrons and paragons to match the Elder Eternal Evils, Fiends, Slaad, and various and sundry other unique evils in Champions of Ruin. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2005 : 06:32:06
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I must admit, I am a little intrigued by what'll be included in CoV. Some extensive notes on good-aligned organisations (perhaps more so than what was included for the evil organisation entries in CoR) would be a definite plus.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2005 : 20:45:00
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
What is the approximate release date for CoV?
11/4/2005
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Cam Beul
Acolyte
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2005 : 05:14:49
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So we really ARE getting Paladin Deity Substitutions for Paladins?
Oh, god, please say yes. I don't care if it's in the web enhancement! I don't care if I have to rip it out of Mr. Boyd's brain!!! (Sorry, Eric, got a little carried away, there's no brain suction in your future, I promise...) :)
If not, I'll probably have to sit down and design all this stuff myself. (Ack) Then I can mail it to Mr. Boyd and he can tell me I'm a pinhead. :)
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2005 : 05:39:32
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Hmm we still have seen the CoV Content pages so its looking like the first Candlekeep sage to get it will have the sacred duty of posting it here!
Hmm I wonder if CoV will be at the SGC when I go to collect my Underdark minis on friday....... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2005 : 06:20:41
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hmm we still have seen the CoV Content pages so its looking like the first Candlekeep sage to get it will have the sacred duty of posting it here!
Hmm I wonder if CoV will be at the SGC when I go to collect my Underdark minis on friday.......
I just hope it comes out before I leave town... I want to read it on the trip! |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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1073 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2005 : 14:50:57
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Originally posted by msatran
So we really ARE getting Paladin Deity Substitutions for Paladins?
Oh, god, please say yes. I don't care if it's in the web enhancement! I don't care if I have to rip it out of Mr. Boyd's brain!!! (Sorry, Eric, got a little carried away, there's no brain suction in your future, I promise...) :)
If not, I'll probably have to sit down and design all this stuff myself. (Ack) Then I can mail it to Mr. Boyd and he can tell me I'm a pinhead. :)
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I don`t know if this has been answered already, but are they going to detail the celestial paragons? |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Nov 2005 : 03:52:05
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Not just an Illithid, Khorne.
Mind Flayer Mummy Monk 13. :) |
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