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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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 Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 15:33:13
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Any chance you we could get higher level versions of the Faith Healing in CoV?
We didn't cover that, and the project's been passed on to WotC now. It's still possible they'll include something in the development phase.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 09:42:15
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Just noticed a little gem Sean let slip on his message board about CoV
"There is definitely some cool stuff for Helmites in the book. Every paladin order gets something, even if it's a generic "here's what a generic paladin order feat gives you." Many specific orders (such as the Vigilant Eyes of Helm) get stuff especially for them."
All I can say is Wohooo!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 06:41:09
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That's good to hear.
Hopefully we'll see some fleshing out of the few monk order mentions that had popped up in previous 2e tomes, like Faiths and Avatars. This would be a great opportunity to bring them into 3e.
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BobROE
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 18:45:24
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Sean just said the following in regards to substitution levels:
In CoV I used this mechanic to do cool stuff for some paladin knighthoods. For example, if you're a paladin of god X and he doesn't give a crap about disease, replace the paladin's remove disease ability at level Y with something more suitable. It's neat. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 23:31:28
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Originally posted by BobROE
Sean just said the following in regards to substitution levels:
In CoV I used this mechanic to do cool stuff for some paladin knighthoods. For example, if you're a paladin of god X and he doesn't give a crap about disease, replace the paladin's remove disease ability at level Y with something more suitable. It's neat.
That's cool... Where did he say that? And do we have these substitutible powers listed in the book? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 23:37:39
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Originally posted by BobROE
Sean just said the following in regards to substitution levels:
In CoV I used this mechanic to do cool stuff for some paladin knighthoods. For example, if you're a paladin of god X and he doesn't give a crap about disease, replace the paladin's remove disease ability at level Y with something more suitable. It's neat.
Isnt that from Unearthed Arcana? |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:28:50
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
The idea of a Champions of Balance is about as marketable as the Book of Neutrality postulated to follow up BoVD and BoED; the odds of a Book of "Meh" ever coming out were very low according to the WotC folks at last year's Gen Con.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:46:47
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Originally posted by BobROE
Sean just said the following in regards to substitution levels:
In CoV I used this mechanic to do cool stuff for some paladin knighthoods. For example, if you're a paladin of god X and he doesn't give a crap about disease, replace the paladin's remove disease ability at level Y with something more suitable. It's neat.
That sounds interesting.
Hopefully the knighthoods receive some details as well.
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 17:14:27
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Been out of town, creating a distilled reply to a bunch of questions here.
Yes, we gave the monk orders some love, too. The substitution levels first showed up in the Planar Handbook, and the section on them replaces existing special abilities with other, new special abilities (which we completely detailed as game mechanics). This happens for lots of different character classes and for classes worshiping specific deities. And we covered as many existing organizations as we had room for, but we also did some new groups (or rather, some groups that got a passing mention somewhere) in great detail, trying to provide a good cross-section of class types, regions of the land, and styles of play.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 17:47:43
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
Been out of town, creating a distilled reply to a bunch of questions here.
Yes, we gave the monk orders some love, too. The substitution levels first showed up in the Planar Handbook, and the section on them replaces existing special abilities with other, new special abilities (which we completely detailed as game mechanics). This happens for lots of different character classes and for classes worshiping specific deities. And we covered as many existing organizations as we had room for, but we also did some new groups (or rather, some groups that got a passing mention somewhere) in great detail, trying to provide a good cross-section of class types, regions of the land, and styles of play.
Thomas
Awesome, thanks for the info! |
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Finglas Leaflock
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Apr 2005 : 22:13:05
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Thanks for all the info so far!
Are there any non-human organizations detailed in the book? Thinking of elves, dwarves, etc., mainly, rather than monsters. |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 15:12:49
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Originally posted by Finglas Leaflock
Are there any non-human organizations detailed in the book? Thinking of elves, dwarves, etc., mainly, rather than monsters.
Many of the groups we detailed have a good cross-section of races among their members, but I don't recall any of them being strictly non-human in the way you are asking. There is one group that is very different, though, being made up of mostly non-humanoid species.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 16:36:47
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
Many of the groups we detailed have a good cross-section of races among their members, but I don't recall any of them being strictly non-human in the way you are asking. There is one group that is very different, though, being made up of mostly non-humanoid species.
Thomas
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 17:35:54
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
Many of the groups we detailed have a good cross-section of races among their members, but I don't recall any of them being strictly non-human in the way you are asking. There is one group that is very different, though, being made up of mostly non-humanoid species.
Thomas
A certain mercenary company by any chance? :)
Ooh, I hope so! I really like the Mindulgulph Company! |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 18:39:06
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| Hmmm... It struck me that it might be the Hargrath, an adventuring company of monsters that live in Gauntlgrym. Although, I can't tell if they are "good" or not. I have always wanted to know more about them. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 21:35:40
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
Hmmm... It struck me that it might be the Hargrath, an adventuring company of monsters that live in Gauntlgrym. Although, I can't tell if they are "good" or not. I have always wanted to know more about them.
Where are they detailed? |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 : 00:23:31
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They are mentioned in the FRCS in the back under the dungeons section in the Gauntlgrym entry. Also on p.143 of Lost Empires, it says the Hargrath is a company of bugbears, goblins, and leucrottas led by a baphitaur.
On second thought, those guys are mostly humanoid, except for the leucrottas, and maybe the baphitaur. So maybe that's not the group that the good Mr. Reid was hinting at. 
But I am still very curious about where they came from, if they are mentioned anywhere else in Realmslore, and whose particular baby was that idea? I wonder if they were some designer or author's actual gaming group at one time, or just fascinating Realmslore written to make the place more interesting. |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 : 14:46:05
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Originally posted by kuje31
A certain mercenary company by any chance? :)
Nope, this is one you've never seen before.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 : 17:30:46
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by kuje31
A certain mercenary company by any chance? :)
Nope, this is one you've never seen before.
Thomas
Really? Now that's an interesting development... |
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Kuje
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 : 17:33:03
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by kuje31
A certain mercenary company by any chance? :)
Nope, this is one you've never seen before.
Thomas
Ah bummer. :( But interesting that it's a new one. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 06:08:29
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by kuje31
A certain mercenary company by any chance? :)
Nope, this is one you've never seen before.
Thomas
Intriguing.
If it's actually possible, my anticipation for this sourcebook has just increased significantly.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 08:20:24
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November is way, too far away for my liking - at least in regards to my FR needs. I hold high hopes for CoV and I'm sure the fanbase won't be let down.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 May 2005 : 22:52:35
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| A question for those who worked on this tome... Is it going to have good shrines and good nodes, the same way that Champions of Ruin has evil shrines and evil nodes? And will Shadow Weave nodes have a good counterpart? |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 14 May 2005 : 03:30:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
A question for those who worked on this tome... Is it going to have good shrines and good nodes, the same way that Champions of Ruin has evil shrines and evil nodes? And will Shadow Weave nodes have a good counterpart?
Having not seen the final CoR product, I don't know for sure what evil shrines and evil nodes are. But I can tell you that we included a number of locations that had good energy and effects. I also know that Sean did some work on some planar effects that tied into an idea he had for champions who battled against the Shadow Weave, so he might have created something along the lines of what you are asking about in his material.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 May 2005 : 03:55:19
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Planar effects? Oh, I pity Gray and the Sage. They won't last till November now!
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Procrastinator Most High
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 May 2005 : 18:28:43
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Huh? What's that? Planar effects?!... Oh dear! Well if there is indeed new planar lore to be found within Champions of Valor then you are correct George. November seems so awfully far away now...
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 13:26:57
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Well, i just finish to read the Starlight and Shadows trilogy (and I have to five my word, this was my first reading of Elaine books - and I´m adicted  ). And this put me to wonder if it´s time to start the bets about how will be the 3 "new races of valor" that will, certainlly, appear in the Champions of Valor (as the extaaminar, krinth and draegloth in the Champions of Ruin).
Sooo, my first vote go to the lithari!
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 17:21:51
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Well, i just finish to read the Starlight and Shadows trilogy (and I have to five my word, this was my first reading of Elaine books - and I´m adicted ). And this put me to wonder if it´s time to start the bets about how will be the 3 "new races of valor" that will, certainlly, appear in the Champions of Valor (as the extaaminar, krinth and draegloth in the Champions of Ruin).
Sooo, my first vote go to the lithari!
Chosen of Moradin, really expecting that he have hit the mark this time.
It would be nice to see the lythari receive a proper write-up, instead of being lumped in with werewolves. Whether or not we'll see that is a good question, though. I hope you're right! |
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jameslt0
Seeker
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 15:08:10
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Well, I am fairly certain that Harpers will be mentioned in the book. The only 2 groups I want to know about is The Knights of Myth Drannor (mentioned in Ed Greenwood's Spellfire) and Church of Eilistraee. Given peoples dislike for good Drow, that last one may not be mentioned. However, reading Richard Baker's Last Mythal, if you can have evil Sun Elves, why can't you have good Drow?
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