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Dargoth
Great Reader
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 Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 01:17:09
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Originally posted by seankreynolds
I know of only two references (Monastery Orphan region and Selűnite Foundling region) in the turnover to "changelings," and in both cases they refer to the classical definition of that term (a child swapped in by the faeries) rather than the Eberron-race definition. If there are others or they are more explicit in referring to the Eberron race, that wasn't from the authors.
Im pretty sure the references where in the new regions so they may well be the 2 regions you posted above. Im actually not familar with the "Faerie Changlings" what do you mean? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 01:19:56
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 01:26:16
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I saw in the designer-interview that one of my favourite of the smaller organisations, the Soft Claws, are mentioned in the book. Can anyone tell me how detailed attention they get?
3 and 1/4 page write up
1/2 page related magic item
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 01:36:39
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by seankreynolds
I know of only two references (Monastery Orphan region and Selűnite Foundling region) in the turnover to "changelings," and in both cases they refer to the classical definition of that term (a child swapped in by the faeries) rather than the Eberron-race definition. If there are others or they are more explicit in referring to the Eberron race, that wasn't from the authors.
Im pretty sure the references where in the new regions so they may well be the 2 regions you posted above. Im actually not familar with the "Faerie Changlings" what do you mean?
What Sean means is that in Earth's faerie myths the fey take the human child and swap it with a fey child that looks exactly the same but usually acts differently. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 02:25:38
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Ah ok
so its not a Faerie Aasimar/Tiefling type thing then? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 02:43:31
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Kajehase
I saw in the designer-interview that one of my favourite of the smaller organisations, the Soft Claws, are mentioned in the book. Can anyone tell me how detailed attention they get?
3 and 1/4 page write up
1/2 page related magic item
Cheers Dargoth And that was at least two pages more than I was hoping for Now if only the book could arrive at the earlier bit on that 4-8 days delivery-time for once... |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 02:57:39
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Ah ok
so its not a Faerie Aasimar/Tiefling type thing then?
I doubt it... I'd make it more of a fey type of thing... :) I'm not sure what changlings are in Eberron though. |
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seankreynolds
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 03:07:42
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Kuje is correct, that's what I mean (Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeling)
No, it is not an aasimar/tiefling thing, though you could say that a feytouched or half-fey creature is a changeling. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 03:29:48
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Originally posted by seankreynolds
And in the case of the animate with the spirit spell, those wacky developers went to town on it. My original writeup has it based on lesser planar ally, but one level lower because of the sanctified sacrifice of 1d3 Strength damage, whereas the printed version is the same level as LPA but has a much shorter duration and has it 1d3 Strength _drain_. In other words, why not just cast LPA? Sheesh, why do I bother to design these things if they're just going to completely redo them. Maybe next time instead of 5,000 words on various game mechanics I'll just include a list of ideas and let them develop them as they see fit, less work for me.
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Askanipsion
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 18:37:20
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I was wondering about the monk substitution levels for the Phoenix Discipline. I am currently playing a Phoenix Clan monk and wondered what the substitution levels give.
Do they really deal with a Phoenix? |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 19:50:52
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Questions for Sean:
Sean, starting on page 60 under Magic Items, the descriptions for the magic items are uneven.
Specifically, some of magic item descriptions include a Lore section, with Knowledge DCs listed at the end of each of the paragraphs within a given lore section, so that a character might have a shot a knowing something about the item. But some of the items do not contain lore sections at all, just beefy History sections instead.
(Example: The write up for Albruin on page 60 begins with about a column and a half of History info on the sword, while the next write up on page 61 for Chalsembyr's Heart starts with about a half a column [~3 paragraphs, so three progressively difficult knowledge DCs] under a Lore section.)
Do you recall if WotC specifically asked you to give History info as opposed to Lore info on any of the magic items (assuming you wrote some of them)? If yes, do you know why they'd do things this way?
Anyway, I'm up to page 61 on the book and I like it. Definitely worth the money. FYI I'd plunk down $29.95 again for a similar book that further expanded on lore for Valorous Organizations and Places of Valor within the Forgotten Realms. I wouldn't mind more substitution levels listed as well, provided they were similarly tied in to the lore on organizations found in such a book.
I also think a region book (like one on Tethyr and Amn) could use the ‘substitution level/organization info’ format (even if the orgs weren’t exactly valorous) as well, since they tie in so well with each other and look to be very useful for DMs and players.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Askanipsion
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 21:14:12
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Completely Different Worlds.
Yes I know they are different worlds but I was wondering if the Phoenix Discipline can be adapted.
I was wondering what they can actually do. |
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jameslt0
Seeker
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57 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2005 : 23:34:14
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I just got this book 2 days ago and I want to say thank you Thomas and Sean for all the information on Eilistraee. I was very happy to see that information in this book. I did not expect to see much. I am glad I was wrong.
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Askanipsion
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 00:20:35
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Originally posted by jameslt0
I just got this book 2 days ago and I want to say thank you Thomas and Sean for all the information on Eilistraee.
I read somewhere that Elistraee is now allowed with the Elven Pantheon. Is it in this book that the change is mentioned? |
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jameslt0
Seeker
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Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 01:32:12
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I am not sure. I would have to look more carefully.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 01:50:37
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Originally posted by Askanipsion
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Originally posted by jameslt0
I just got this book 2 days ago and I want to say thank you Thomas and Sean for all the information on Eilistraee.
I read somewhere that Elistraee is now allowed with the Elven Pantheon. Is it in this book that the change is mentioned?
It happened in the FRCS with the new FR cosmology. :) But there's never been a reason why she's back in Arvandor. :) |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 03:04:39
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If I remember correctly, she was never banned from Arvandor, but rather banned herself, going willingly with her mother to provide hope to any good inclined drow.
Apparently she still has the last vestiges of a dying realm in Lolth's Demonweb Pits. Why she gave up her realm in the Pits and returned to Arvandor is a mystery. I guess she decided she had done all she could do there. Or maybe it had something to do with Lolth ripping the realm free from the Abyss and setting the Demonwebs up as a plane in their own right.
Surely there's an interesting story to tell there, but I don't know what it is. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 03:13:36
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Originally posted by Kuje
It happened in the FRCS with the new FR cosmology. :) But there's never been a reason why she's back in Arvandor. :)
Of course we don't actually need a reason, either. Some changes are just for the better, believe it or not.
But if we do need an explanation, well that's why we've all got such big brains. :)
And if our brains don't work, well then we've got Gray, whose brain I don't mind saying I rely upon a great deal, with no fear of being misled.
J. Grenemyer |
09/20/2008: Tiger Army at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz. You wouldn’t believe how many females rode it out in the pit. Santa Cruz women are all of them beautiful. Now I know to add tough to that description.
6/27/2008: WALL-E is about the best damn movie Pixar has ever made. It had my heart racing and had me rooting for the good guy.
9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
Never, ever read the game books too literally, or make such assumptions that what is omitted cannot be. Bad DM form, that.
And no matter how compelling a picture string theory paints, if it does not accurately describe our universe, it will be no more relevant than an elaborate game of Dungeons and Dragons. --paragraph 1, chapter 9, The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene |
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Askanipsion
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 03:24:41
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Originally posted by Kuje
It happened in the FRCS with the new FR cosmology. :) But there's never been a reason why she's back in Arvandor. :)
Thanks! |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 03:59:13
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Eilistraee took a vountary banishment and never was actually forbiden return to Arvandor.
In 2nd she had a Domian as Nidavellir/Svartalfheim part of Ysgard (which I believe translates somewhat to Arvandor). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 06:23:53
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Well I finally got my copy .
Worthwhile points of note I made during my quick once over before heading off to the library:- the detailings for the Minor Organisations (glad to see some oldies mentioned), the Dukar Hand Coral, and the equine listing.
I look forward to reading more.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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1378 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 15:11:37
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Eilistraee has been shown more and more back within the good graces of Arvandor since 3E has kicked off. Perhaps they wanted to show that Corellon had no ill will towards his daughter? Who knows? All I know is that the cosmology is way different, and it's hard to try to adjust to it when you played the previous 15 years of your life with the Great Wheel.
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Cam Beul
Acolyte
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27 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 16:55:52
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| I need certain confirmation for something from someone who may know for sure. With the Sword of the Arcane Order feat, one would still need a high Wisdom to open up slots for the arcane spells, and having a really high intelligence wouldn't help the number of arcane bonus spells you could cast, since that depends on your wisdom score, right? And one would still be subject to aracne spell failure from armor, even though the spells are taking up divine spell slots, correct? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 17:35:01
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
Of course we don't actually need a reason, either. Some changes are just for the better, believe it or not.
But if we do need an explanation, well that's why we've all got such big brains. :)
And if our brains don't work, well then we've got Gray, whose brain I don't mind saying I rely upon a great deal, with no fear of being misled.
J. Grenemyer
Of course maybe you don't need a canon official explanation but many of us want one. And, no offense to Gray, we don't want Grays, or yours, or mine, or anyone elses homebrew reason. :)
And I don't want to argue this with you because we both know how those discussions turn out. You like the new planes, fine. I don't like that they retconed it with no in game reason, which is also fine. However, I've still wrote material for the new planes because they are now official canon. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 21 Nov 2005 17:40:30 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 17:36:13
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Eilistraee took a vountary banishment and never was actually forbiden return to Arvandor.
In 2nd she had a Domian as Nidavellir/Svartalfheim part of Ysgard (which I believe translates somewhat to Arvandor).
No it doesn't since Arvandor is in Arborea and Eilistraee's realm is in Ysgard. :) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Nov 2005 : 17:37:13
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| Any how the Eilistraee planar discussion is off topic so if it needs to be discussed, someone start a new scroll. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 00:35:39
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On the Knights of Imphras II.... very interesting, and wonderfully plotted.
If nothing else, this write-up has made me more intrigued by the possibilities for some new material focusing on old Narfell.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 01:00:53
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Originally posted by The Sage
On the Knights of Imphras II.... very interesting, and wonderfully plotted.
If nothing else, this write-up has made me more intrigued by the possibilities for some new material focusing on old Narfell.
Glad you liked it. In case it wasn't clear, all the Impiltur-related info, plus the equine templates is my contribution. Of course, the history of Impiltur owes a great deal to George Krashos, who should have gotten a credit. Likewise the equine info owes a great deal to Tom Costa.
I'm hoping that the combination of Impiltur lore in Champions of Ruin and Champions of Valor serves as a "mini-setting" for DMs interested in running an Impiltur-based campaign.
--Eric
PS In my turnover, the equine templates could be applied to any equine, including hippogriffs, centaurs, etc. Although it's not mentioned in Champions of Valor, it would be reasonable for the DM to extend them to any part-equine, as desired. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 01:14:23
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by The Sage
On the Knights of Imphras II.... very interesting, and wonderfully plotted.
If nothing else, this write-up has made me more intrigued by the possibilities for some new material focusing on old Narfell.
Glad you liked it. In case it wasn't clear, all the Impiltur-related info, plus the equine templates is my contribution. Of course, the history of Impiltur owes a great deal to George Krashos, who should have gotten a credit.
It captured the unique character of the Realm of the Sword and the Wand, which is why I enjoyed this organisation write-up in particular.
Even though he wasn't mentioned directly, I had a feeling this was the case. I know the interest Krash has for Impiltur  .
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I'm hoping that the combination of Impiltur lore in Champions of Ruin and Champions of Valor serves as a "mini-setting" for DMs interested in running an Impiltur-based campaign.
--Eric
I liked the way that worked .
In fact, after finishing the Knights section, I began to think about a possible contribution to a future issue of the Compendium using the Impiltur material from both tomes as a basis. We'll see how it goes...
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