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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 02:51:34
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
PS In my turnover, the equine templates could be applied to any equine, including hippogriffs, centaurs, etc. Although it's not mentioned in Champions of Valor, it would be reasonable for the DM to extend them to any part-equine, as desired.
Didn't even think of that as a possibility... Too bad I don't use those too often though... will need to come up with something  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 04:39:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
Well I finally got my copy  .
Worthwhile points of note I made during my quick once over before heading off to the library:- the detailings for the Minor Organisations (glad to see some oldies mentioned), the Dukar Hand Coral, and the equine listing.
I look forward to reading more.
I can't believe it  .
Getting home from uni this morning, and I came across another mail order at my doorstep, and inside, another copy of CoV. So, with the copy I received yesterday, and the copy now sitting on my desktop, I have two CoV tomes. 
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 06:15:08
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Surprise!
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 06:35:34
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Originally posted by Kuje
Of course maybe you don't need a canon official explanation but many of us want one. And, no offense to Gray, we don't want Grays, or yours, or mine, or anyone else’s homebrew reason. :)
Really? ‘Many’ of us?
I’ve relied on Eric’s, George’s (and most recently Gray’s) explanations, ideas and contributions for quite some time, as have the Realms online community for the last, what, oh 7-8(?) years overall, because these non-cannon/unofficial sources have always been welcome by the greater Realms Community for their creativity, resourcefulness and willingness to keep an open and non-judgmental mind about the setting in order to sincerely work to shore up continuity differences.
It’s no coincidence that they’ve done such a good job that now they write their unofficial ideas into ‘official’ books?
A great CoV example of this would be the equine section. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 07:21:34
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
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Originally posted by Kuje
Of course maybe you don't need a canon official explanation but many of us want one. And, no offense to Gray, we don't want Grays, or yours, or mine, or anyone else’s homebrew reason. :)
Really? ‘Many’ of us?
I’ve relied on Eric’s, George’s (and most recently Gray’s) explanations, ideas and contributions for quite some time, as have the Realms online community for the last, what, oh 7-8(?) years overall, because these non-cannon/unofficial sources have always been welcome by the greater Realms Community for their creativity, resourcefulness and willingness to keep an open and non-judgmental mind about the setting in order to sincerely work to shore up continuity differences.
It’s no coincidence that they’ve done such a good job that now they write their unofficial ideas into ‘official’ books?
A great CoV example of this would be the equine section.
Those Equines have been around since at least 2E and I think they were in 1E.
Just now we finally have offical content for them.
I stick with Eric, George, and Tom's stuff as much as the next person, but once it gets printed into a sourcebook, that makes it absolutely canon.
Since per WotC the only stuff that is canon that isn't a source book is anything that Ed says until a sourcebook says otherwise.
And many of us are still reeling from the sudden change in Cosmology from 2E to 3E. With nothing but that is how it has always been as an explaination. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 08:18:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
I can't believe it .
Getting home from uni this morning, and I came across another mail order at my doorstep, and inside, another copy of CoV. So, with the copy I received yesterday, and the copy now sitting on my desktop, I have two CoV tomes.
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Splendid! That means ye can read at twice the rate and post thy comments herein  I have yet to locate this tome and would certainly like to hear more thoughts on the content. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 09:30:42
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
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Originally posted by Kuje
Of course maybe you don't need a canon official explanation but many of us want one. And, no offense to Gray, we don't want Grays, or yours, or mine, or anyone else’s homebrew reason. :)
Really? ‘Many’ of us?
I’ve relied on Eric’s, George’s (and most recently Gray’s) explanations, ideas and contributions for quite some time, as have the Realms online community for the last, what, oh 7-8(?) years overall, because these non-cannon/unofficial sources have always been welcome by the greater Realms Community for their creativity, resourcefulness and willingness to keep an open and non-judgmental mind about the setting in order to sincerely work to shore up continuity differences.
It’s no coincidence that they’ve done such a good job that now they write their unofficial ideas into ‘official’ books?
A great CoV example of this would be the equine section.
Thats nice for you but that's not the rest of us, as I said. Now if you want to continue this, take it to another scroll. I said I wasn't debating this with you AGAIN.
Now this is your last warning, if you want to continue to debate this with me in this scroll then you are forcing me to start removing your posts since it has nothing to do with this scroll and we BOTH know how this debate turns out in the end, so I'm not sure why you want to continue to argue this over and over. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 13:21:23
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by The Sage
I can't believe it .
Getting home from uni this morning, and I came across another mail order at my doorstep, and inside, another copy of CoV. So, with the copy I received yesterday, and the copy now sitting on my desktop, I have two CoV tomes.
Well met
Splendid! That means ye can read at twice the rate and post thy comments herein I have yet to locate this tome and would certainly like to hear more thoughts on the content.
Reading at twice the rate?
Yeah, I wish. As it happens, the Lady K has now "acquired" the extra copy..., employing methods to sway my initial hesitation, that really cannot be detailed here   .
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 13:24:53
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
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Originally posted by Kuje
Of course maybe you don't need a canon official explanation but many of us want one. And, no offense to Gray, we don't want Grays, or yours, or mine, or anyone else’s homebrew reason. :)
Really? ‘Many’ of us?
I’ve relied on Eric’s, George’s (and most recently Gray’s) explanations, ideas and contributions for quite some time, as have the Realms online community for the last, what, oh 7-8(?) years overall, because these non-cannon/unofficial sources have always been welcome by the greater Realms Community for their creativity, resourcefulness and willingness to keep an open and non-judgmental mind about the setting in order to sincerely work to shore up continuity differences.
It’s no coincidence that they’ve done such a good job that now they write their unofficial ideas into ‘official’ books?
A great CoV example of this would be the equine section.
Thats nice for you but that's not the rest of us, as I said. Now if you want to continue this, take it to another scroll. I said I wasn't debating this with you AGAIN.
Now this is your last warning, if you want to continue to debate this with me in this scroll then you are forcing me to start removing your posts since it has nothing to do with this scroll and we BOTH know how this debate turns out in the end, so I'm not sure why you want to continue to argue this over and over.
And I quite agree.
Sanishiver, I must ask you to please halt your attempts to further this "off-topic" nonsense. If you so wish, open a new scroll in a more appropriate section, or take your issues to a more private area -- PMs or emails are sufficient.
Thank you .
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 14:47:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by The Sage
I can't believe it .
Getting home from uni this morning, and I came across another mail order at my doorstep, and inside, another copy of CoV. So, with the copy I received yesterday, and the copy now sitting on my desktop, I have two CoV tomes.
Well met
Splendid! That means ye can read at twice the rate and post thy comments herein I have yet to locate this tome and would certainly like to hear more thoughts on the content.
Reading at twice the rate?
Yeah, I wish. As it happens, the Lady K has now "acquired" the extra copy..., employing methods to sway my initial hesitation, that really cannot be detailed here .
Well - the female of the species is quite good at those swaying techniques - Kianna did end up with a set of her on FR books.
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 14:57:22
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hummm...
I think that now is the time for me to chant some prayers for Moradin, since my wife is not sooo fan of the Realms books... |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 15:50:57
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 : 20:49:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
Yeah, I wish. As it happens, the Lady K has now "acquired" the extra copy..., employing methods to sway my initial hesitation, that really cannot be detailed here .
These "Questionable Methods" didnt involve her dressing up as Alias the Sell sword did they? (See Cover of Curse of the Azure bonds)  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Nov 2005 : 00:14:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Yeah, I wish. As it happens, the Lady K has now "acquired" the extra copy..., employing methods to sway my initial hesitation, that really cannot be detailed here .
These "Questionable Methods" didnt involve her dressing up as Alias the Sell sword did they? (See Cover of Curse of the Azure bonds)
Oh no, but that would definitely be something to see .
I did notice one small difference between the two books though... the second copy has pg. 96 printed upside down .
So I don't mind so much the Lady K having the extra copy now .
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
USA
565 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2005 : 06:14:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
I did notice one small difference between the two books though... the second copy has pg. 96 printed upside down .
So I don't mind so much the Lady K having the extra copy now .
Hello-
What? You mean you let someone else have the rare, mis-printed copy? It could be worth a lot of money!
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 : 04:17:03
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Hello-
Well - I have progressed along - and am now into the magic items section, though I admit that I skimmed over the substitution levels and the full spell descriptions.
I did notice something that seemed to be somewhat inconsistent though - wondering what people thought -
IN the description of the sword Albruin under activation it says: "Albruin is a +3 silvered longsword. It does not radiate light.
Then - right below that in the Effect section it says: "... It sheds an eerie blue radiance equivalent......when drawn."
This seems contradictory to me - and I am curious which is intended, or - if it is somehow correct in a way that I cannot fathom right now...
Otherwise - very impressed so far - and I have yet to get to what I expect to be some of the more 'juicy' sections!
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 12:36:46
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Regarding the Darksong Knight Substitution levels in CoV
Under Favoured Enemy it says that a DK gets Favoured Enemy: Yochlol at 4th level however there isnt a DK substitute level for 4th level...
Should it be Sixth level (instead of 4th)or should there be another Sub level in the table?
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 14:45:58
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Well SKR can better answer the two of these however what I guess is offered for now.
A sword that casts light is definded in the rules to have a certain quality that an "eerie blue radiance equivalent" can not replace even if it offers some quality of light. A blue light can not be be same light as of quote:
Fully 30% of magic weapons shed light equivalent to a light spell (bright light in a 20-foot radius, shadowy light in a 40-foot radius). These glowing weapons are quite obviously magical.
Why would any Darksong Knight want to fight a Yochlol at even level 6? Odds are it is a typo as to which level ability is granted, however it is posible that 4th is correct. Taking the path of Darksong Knight at level 2 will mean you are not just a level 2 Fighter any more you are a special type of fighter gaving given up some things to become something else. A level 4 boost indeed might be intended as Lolth might start sending Yochlols after a Darksong Knight as they become that powerful. *Grin*
Only other thing I can add, SKR when asked said that quote:
The Darksong Knight is essentially what I submitted except they simplified and improved the Combat Dancing ability.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 16:30:43
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Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
Well - I have progressed along - and am now into the magic items section, though I admit that I skimmed over the substitution levels and the full spell descriptions.
I did notice something that seemed to be somewhat inconsistent though - wondering what people thought -
IN the description of the sword Albruin under activation it says: "Albruin is a +3 silvered longsword. It does not radiate light.
Then - right below that in the Effect section it says: "... It sheds an eerie blue radiance equivalent......when drawn."
This seems contradictory to me - and I am curious which is intended, or - if it is somehow correct in a way that I cannot fathom right now...
Otherwise - very impressed so far - and I have yet to get to what I expect to be some of the more 'juicy' sections!
Dhomal
It may shed a eerie blue light, but may not work to light a passageway in any definite form. Like it looks blue, but you can't use it as a torch, per se.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 16:47:44
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
It may shed a eerie blue light, but may not work to light a passageway in any definite form. Like it looks blue, but you can't use it as a torch, per se.
C-Fb
Also the blue light may not triger light blindness that other swords can cause to Drow and other darkvision creatures.
I have a hard time picturing an Drow doing something like this.
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Also any darkvission fighter would effectly attack as if a +2 sword was a +1 sword because of the nature of the weapon and light blindness. |
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BobROE
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 17:42:45
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Regarding the Darksong Knight Substitution levels in CoV
Under Favoured Enemy it says that a DK gets Favoured Enemy: Yochlol at 4th level however there isnt a DK substitute level for 4th level...
Should it be Sixth level (instead of 4th)or should there be another Sub level in the table?
Thanks in advance
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seankreynolds
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 18:26:53
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The table for the DK is correct; I didn't even have a body text entry for the ability (to me, saying "favored enemy: yochlol +2" doesn't need any explanation.
You'll have to ask Thomas about that sword, as I didn't write it (at least I don't think I did, it's not familiar to me and I don't have it in my copy of the turnover). |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 22:41:12
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Originally posted by seankreynolds
You'll have to ask Thomas about that sword, as I didn't write it (at least I don't think I did, it's not familiar to me and I don't have it in my copy of the turnover).
No, that's actually one of Eric's items, I believe. I think it went with his Knights of Imphras II stuff. Eric?
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seankreynolds
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 26 Nov 2005 : 22:51:44
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 01:15:23
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Aha! That would explain why it wasn't in your turnover, either. :)
A-yep. That would be the reason.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 07:21:21
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Sean:
Dancing Feint: genius. So much so that I'm allowing the Perform (Dance) skill to work in lieu of Bluff for feinting... for all classes! :) (Except that non-DK PCs take a -5 to the skill check when used this way... :) )
Also, does the DK gets the Perform (Dance) class skill just on the levels where he substitutes regular FTR levels? if so, I'll remember to pump the intelligence on my next female drow NPC! :)
Finally, I just can't let it go... I must find a way to give the Dancing Feint ability to Bladesingers (I use the CW version) without unbalancing the class. Do you think it could be added "free of charge" or do you recommend a drawback? |
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seankreynolds
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 11:25:25
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{Dancing Feint: genius.}
A-thank you. :)
{Also, does the DK gets the Perform (Dance) class skill just on the levels where he substitutes regular FTR levels? if so, I'll remember to pump the intelligence on my next female drow NPC! :)}
I believe the variant class skills only apply to the actual substitution levels, not the entire level range of the class, so you'd have to buy them at crossclass cost for fighter levels that weren't DK levels.
{Finally, I just can't let it go... I must find a way to give the Dancing Feint ability to Bladesingers (I use the CW version) without unbalancing the class. Do you think it could be added "free of charge" or do you recommend a drawback?}
I haven't looked at the CW version (it's perhaps the most-revised official PrC) and I just woke up, but sure, why not, you have to give those weak and enemic elves _something_ to explain how they've managed to survive all these years. ;) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 03 Dec 2005 : 15:56:36
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Originally posted by seankreynolds
I haven't looked at the CW version (it's perhaps the most-revised official PrC) and I just woke up, but sure, why not, you have to give those weak and enemic elves _something_ to explain how they've managed to survive all these years. ;)
CW version: +1 arcane caster level every other level (2, 4, ..., 10), without the free quicken every round (it's now just twice a day if you have all 10 levels), still add Int bonus to AC, ignore arcane spell failure chance with light armor, take 10 on Concentration checks to cast defensively, and "flurry of blows" with rapier or longsword at 10th... (i.e. -2 on all attacks, extra attack) |
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