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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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 Posted - 27 Mar 2007 : 02:14:24
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Nice interview, and I definitely agree that DoM is dark without being so dark that it's no longer truly fun to read or experience. Not that there isn't a place for those types of stories, but that's not what I like in a Realms novel. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 27 Mar 2007 : 02:30:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Nice interview, and I definitely agree that DoM is dark without being so dark that it's no longer truly fun to read or experience. Not that there isn't a place for those types of stories, but that's not what I like in a Realms novel.
I was intending on reading the interview earlier this very morn, but since I only just started Depths last evening it is, perhaps, not such a good idea to do so now.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2007 : 02:31:20
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I look forward to it, Sage!
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Nice interview, and I definitely agree that DoM is dark without being so dark that it's no longer truly fun to read or experience. Not that there isn't a place for those types of stories, but that's not what I like in a Realms novel.
That's pretty much what I go for. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Mar 2007 : 00:45:40
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Nice interview, and I definitely agree that DoM is dark without being so dark that it's no longer truly fun to read or experience. Not that there isn't a place for those types of stories, but that's not what I like in a Realms novel.
I was intending on reading the interview earlier this very morn, but since I only just started Depths last evening it is, perhaps, not such a good idea to do so now.
The interview doesn't spoil anything (at least not that I recall). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Mar 2007 : 03:24:24
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Erik, I understand that you have a full time day job along with a full time night job, in addition to writing. I was just wondering what they were.
My only guesses are something in the Aerospace industry(possibly for a Defense Contracter) and Male Hand Model! |
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Backward Masking
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Mar 2007 : 03:55:44
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Male Hand Model!
Hrm... this isn't some psuedo-vague reference to those Ziploc bag comercials many, many years ago? Anyways gotta say I'm definitly looking forward to reading my shiny new copy of DoM (college > free time). A buona salute. |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Mar 2007 : 07:35:47
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 30 Mar 2007 : 15:36:46
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Erik, I understand that you have a full time day job along with a full time night job, in addition to writing. I was just wondering what they were.
My only guesses are something in the Aerospace industry(possibly for a Defense Contracter) and Male Hand Model!
I do my nails every night.
Then I go work for Boeing in the morning as a technical writer (instruction manuals, technical documentation, support, etc, etc).
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Anyways gotta say I'm definitly looking forward to reading my shiny new copy of DoM (college > free time). A buona salute.
Excellent, sir! Make yourself most welcome in the book club as well, if you like. 
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Originally posted by Kyrene
I see you are cited as co-author of Class Chronicles: Warlocks, Part 2 -- even though someone somehow managed yet again to get 'de Bie' wrong. What part/s were you responsible for? Is this going to be a running feature with co-author Eytan?
That's kind of a funny thing, since the most work I did on the Warlocks article was actually in part one, where I wrote the part about Davoren and at least 50% of the Black Star pact. Part 2 was mostly Eytan, though I edited/consulted, which is, I suppose, why I'm credited as a co-author. It's mostly his brilliance, though.
As to whether it'll be a running feature -- who knows?
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Apr 2007 : 07:35:10
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I have just finished reading The Greatest Treasure, which I greatly enjoyed. I was just wondering (and hoping) if there would be a continuation of this story in an upcoming book. If there is, then I will definitely pick up a copy. Thank you for your time, and for spinning such a wonderful story, sir.
Also, have the characters been statted out in any Dragon issues, and if not, are there any plans on doing so? I would love to use them in a campaign in the near future. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 12 Apr 2007 : 13:13:26
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While Erik will likely have more... I'll share with you this little tidbit he let slip in another scroll just a few days ago -
"MINOR SPOILERS
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The Deep Coven was disbanded or at least "moved" in that particular story (they had to -- they'd been made). Though Cythara and her followers (who were indeed practicing within a Waukeen temple) can easily be incorporated into anything a DM wants to whip out . . . hint hint.
END SPOILERS"
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Apr 2007 : 23:21:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
While Erik will likely have more... I'll share with you this little tidbit he let slip in another scroll just a few days ago -
"MINOR SPOILERS
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The Deep Coven was disbanded or at least "moved" in that particular story (they had to -- they'd been made). Though Cythara and her followers (who were indeed practicing within a Waukeen temple) can easily be incorporated into anything a DM wants to whip out . . . hint hint.
END SPOILERS"
Hey, thanks Sage for the heads up. May I ask where this scroll is located, please? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 14:39:05
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Originally posted by The Sage
While Erik will likely have more... I'll share with you this little tidbit he let slip in another scroll just a few days ago -
"MINOR SPOILERS
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The Deep Coven was disbanded or at least "moved" in that particular story (they had to -- they'd been made). Though Cythara and her followers (who were indeed practicing within a Waukeen temple) can easily be incorporated into anything a DM wants to whip out . . . hint hint.
END SPOILERS"
So there's a possibility that the Deep Coven could be featured at some point in the future? Great!
A question though . . . Did the Deep Coven ever control more than one Waukeenar temple?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 16:17:40
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*snickers* You may me addicted to the internet if... you use forums to answer your wife's questions!  |
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The Sage
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 23:20:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm assuming Erik will chime in with his own thoughts soon enough.
Yup, yup indeed!
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
So there's a possibility that the Deep Coven could be featured at some point in the future? Great!
A question though . . . Did the Deep Coven ever control more than one Waukeenar temple?
It's entirely possible (both of those are entirely possible). I really couldn't give you a firm answer on that. Apologies!
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Originally posted by Penknight
I have just finished reading The Greatest Treasure, which I greatly enjoyed. I was just wondering (and hoping) if there would be a continuation of this story in an upcoming book. If there is, then I will definitely pick up a copy. Thank you for your time, and for spinning such a wonderful story, sir.
Well, you're very welcome and I'm glad you enjoyed!
You might also consider checking out my most recent endeavor, Depths of Madness, which features the Fox-at-Twilight as the main character.
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Also, have the characters been statted out in any Dragon issues, and if not, are there any plans on doing so? I would love to use them in a campaign in the near future.
To my knowledge, no, they have not been statted out, and I am at present aware of no such plan. It's entirely possible, however.
If you are interested in building stats on the characters, you might go by these rough estimations of their respective abilities:
Fox-at-Twilight (at the time of Greater Treasure): female moon elf Rogue 3 / Swashbuckler 2 / Uncanny Trickster (Complete Scoundrel) 3 / Shadowdancer 3 / Divine Seeker 4 (avg. str, con, wis, high dex, int, cha)
(Her trickster level class feature increases go toward swashbuckler and shadowdancer respectively. If you don't like the skill tricks mechanic in CS, make her a rog4/swashbuckler3/shadowdancer4/divine seeker4)
Yldar Nathalan: male sun elf Fighter 4 / Rogue 2 / Wizard 5 (a little above average stats in all categories)
Cythara Nathalan: female sun elf Wizard 11 / Thrall of Graz'zt (BoVD) 2 (very low str and con, avg dex, high int, wis, cha)
Cheers
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Penknight
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 : 15:50:44
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Thank you, honorable sir. I shall keep that in mind. I will also try to get out and procure a copy of this novel. Thank you for your time!!
Much obliged.
Thank you for your interest and support!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 : 22:13:30
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Fox-at-Twilight (at the time of Greater Treasure): female moon elf Rogue 3 / Swashbuckler 2 / Uncanny Trickster (Complete Scoundrel) 3 / Shadowdancer 3 / Divine Seeker 4 (avg. str, con, wis, high dex, int, cha)
(Her trickster level class feature increases go toward swashbuckler and shadowdancer respectively. If you don't like the skill tricks mechanic in CS, make her a rog4/swashbuckler3/shadowdancer4/divine seeker4)
Erik, a very cool build for a very cool character. And now, if you'll allow me, I'll enter geek mode. So that said, I don't think it quite works when you consider the various PrC requirements. You might need to add a level to swashbuckler up front and maybe make other tweaks so she can meet all the feat (and implicit feat for ucanny trickster) requirements.
In any case, that shouldn't affect your characterization of her in the books. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 : 22:42:30
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I take that as high praise from someone as prestigious (not to mention mighty) as yourself, sir.
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Originally posted by TomCosta
Erik, a very cool build for a very cool character. And now, if you'll allow me, I'll enter geek mode. So that said, I don't think it quite works when you consider the various PrC requirements. You might need to add a level to swashbuckler up front and maybe make other tweaks so she can meet all the feat (and implicit feat for ucanny trickster) requirements.
Oh yes. I had it all charted out at one point, but I think I misplaced that file at the moment.
I would consider -- and I think you can make a good case to a DM -- for the dodge ability of the swashbuckler to count as the Dodge feat for, say, Mobility or the Shadowdancer PrC. (Not that that's particularly relevant, as she may not be high enough level in the class to get that feature.)
By my way of thinking, Twilight was first a rogue, then a swashbuckler, then a shadowdancer, then (and only then) a divine seeker.
That I put her in uncanny trickster was originally an attempt (odd as it might have been) to make her lower level than my original envisioning was (i.e. she'd still get the abilities from uncanny trickster without having to spend a whole level on rogue or swashbuckler). High levels seem usually for characters in trilogies, not stand-alone novels.
It's also worth noting that, in my build of the character, she does indeed have "little tweaks" implicit in her character, as you rightly point out. She's not strictly "by the book" -- owing to certain events which may (or may not) have taken place in her past, which, of course, you'd have no way of knowing about. 
If, however, you would be interested in creating a build for Twilight, then by all means! :)
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 07:03:51
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 07:17:24
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Kaje, you might want to take a look through both of Erik's Jan. 15 '07 replies on pg. 9 of this very scroll -- since Erik and I have already discussed this somewhat.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 15:38:27
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Fox-at-Twilight's appearance isn't based wholly on a particular person, but I envision her as a kind of composite of a number of different people:
-Amy Lee: Lead singer from Evanescence (see page 9), for that dark edge
-Evangeline Lilly: Kate, from "Lost," for how she moves and her facial expressions
-Scarlett Johansson: Twilight's wry smile comes direct from "Match Point" and certain other of Scarlett's movies.
-Asia Argento: Actress, XXX -- that sultry sort of movement, and the general shape of her figure.
-Keira Knightly: Actress, Pirates of the Caribbean et al -- Particularly in the Pirates movies.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 16:12:09
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With the exception of Argento [who I am not familiar with], you're presented an intriguing collection of people with which to use as physical models for the character of Fox, Erik. Interesting.
Thinking about it now, I can definitely make some of the connections... especially with people who formed the basis for Twilight's smile and facial expressions. The 'darker edge' was somewhat more obvious, at least early on in Depths of Madness. And while I did feel that Twilight had a rather sensual form of movement, when she needed it, I felt this was more apparent in The Greater Treasure.
Though, what did Keira Knightly contribute, specifically? I'm assuming physical appearance played some part. However, I think a connection can also be made between Knightly's character from the Pirates films, especially her somewhat aggressive attitude [as it develops later], with that of Twilight's character.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 16:56:03
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Originally posted by The Sage
Though, what did Keira Knightly contribute, specifically? I'm assuming physical appearance played some part. However, I think a connection can also be made between Knightly's character from the Pirates films, especially her somewhat aggressive attitude [as it develops later], with that of Twilight's character.
Well, there are two factors that influenced my choice of Keira:
1) Physical appearance and attitude (as you guessed), and
2) That I think she's just so hot.
Goodnight, ladies and gents!
Cheers
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 17:43:19
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Fox-at-Twilight's appearance isn't based wholly on a particular person, but I envision her as a kind of composite of a number of different people:
-Amy Lee: Lead singer from Evanescence (see page 9), for that dark edge
-Evangeline Lilly: Kate, from "Lost," for how she moves and her facial expressions
-Scarlett Johansson: Twilight's wry smile comes direct from "Match Point" and certain other of Scarlett's movies.
-Asia Argento: Actress, XXX -- that sultry sort of movement, and the general shape of her figure.
-Keira Knightly: Actress, Pirates of the Caribbean et al -- Particularly in the Pirates movies.
Cheers
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 17 Apr 2007 : 17:50:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
And while I did feel that Twilight had a rather sensual form of movement, when she needed it, I felt this was more apparent in The Greater Treasure.
You're right -- less opportunity to be sexy in Depths, sorry to say. Other than it being largely out of context, it's hard to be sexy when you haven't bathed for days, your clothes are mostly torn, you haven't had the chance to do your hair, and you're going slowly mad.
"tGT," on the other hand, was one long seduction, in a sense. 
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 18 Apr 2007 : 00:44:23
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
You're right -- less opportunity to be sexy in Depths, sorry to say. Other than it being largely out of context, it's hard to be sexy when you haven't bathed for days, your clothes are mostly torn, you haven't had the chance to do your hair, and you're going slowly mad.
Strangely, I still found that somewhat alluring -- Twilight still seemed to carry herself with a measure of both grace and beauty when she was able -- even when she did look terrible, at least physically.
To me, Twilight's sensuality is as much about her personality as it is about her appearance. And personal confidence is always sexy!
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