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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08 Feb 2005 : 12:38:11
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
I'm skeptical about Szass. While Thay can probably match Shade in direct arcane power; theirs isn't as concentrated - and Szass isn't the lone supreme ruler over all of Thay - and on purely personal power comparison, Telamont wins hands down.
Of course, there's Larloch or Halaster to consider as well :P
No, Szass is no match straight up for Telamont and he's not the supreme ruler but to my mind, he's firmly in charge. It's Thay's mercantile power, not just their arcane power, which impresses me.
Larloch and Halaster may be insanely powerful but neither of them have any real interest in interacting with the rest of the world. |
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Sheepishlion
Acolyte
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Posted - 08 Feb 2005 : 18:14:09
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| Larloch or Halaster they might not by currently active but who would go up against them by choice, for that matter what group or city would? |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Feb 2005 : 19:32:38
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Indeed, on the economic side, Thay is pretty good. You'd have to take Sembia, Waterdeep or Amn into consideration as well there, however.
And while these two might not be interacting much, they are a force to be reckoned with... And I cant really imagine ANYONE but Thay and Shade themselves being able to mess with them. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Feb 2005 : 22:46:59
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This discussion stays a whole lot easier if we stick with just folks who are alive...  |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2005 : 10:49:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
This discussion stays a whole lot easier if we stick with just folks who are alive...
Point conceded. In which case I guess Telamont probably gets the nod from my direction. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2005 : 21:01:54
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| Biggest danger to himself in the whole of Faerun is Milo Tosscobble :) |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2005 : 01:32:25
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| Hmmmm it seems the top canditates have been named. From what is see Szass Tam'High Prince Telamont Tanthul'Fzoul Chembryl and possibly The Simbul or Khelben "Blaclstaff" Arunsun. Anyone think a poll is needed for an answer or is this it..... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Feb 2005 : 02:55:34
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Hmmmm it seems the top canditates have been named. From what is see Szass Tam'High Prince Telamont Tanthul'Fzoul Chembryl and possibly The Simbul or Khelben "Blaclstaff" Arunsun. Anyone think a poll is needed for an answer or is this it.....
I think this is it... When you post a poll on a subject such as this one, then opinion comes into the mix -- so you'd never get an accurate answer.
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Feb 2005 : 03:40:10
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| Well then it does seem so. At least we ruled out who is at the top and since it's very opinionated i'll have to decide on my own. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2005 : 13:44:03
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Well then it does seem so. At least we ruled out who is at the top and since it's very opinionated i'll have to decide on my own.
At what point did you expect us all to agree on something? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2005 : 14:09:47
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Originally posted by Reefy
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Well then it does seem so. At least we ruled out who is at the top and since it's very opinionated i'll have to decide on my own.
At what point did you expect us all to agree on something?
Well, we can all agree that it's best to avoid Big Al and his staff... |
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Dark_Lord
Seeker
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Posted - 14 Feb 2005 : 12:04:44
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| Personally, I dislike the way they've treated Manshoon in 3rd ed. IMHO, he is one of the coolest (and probably the most dangerous) villains realms have ever had. Besides him, I would probably go with Fzoul or Tam. Simbul is pretty reckless too. |
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Klandicar
Acolyte
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Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 04:28:00
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I would have to say one of the most distructive forces are the Gith.
But then again Tiamat isn't the nicest of dragon. (the city of Unther for example) |
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Cyric-The-Insane
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 04:51:17
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Cyric wass the most destructive person and is the most powerful diety. Makes Elminister look like a blind basilisk.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 05:18:37
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Originally posted by Cyric-The-Insane
Cyric wass the most destructive person and is the most powerful diety. Makes Elminister look like a blind basilisk.
Bah. Mystra is the most powerful, by her nature as the goddess of the Weave. Remember, she totally cut Cyric off from the Weave for a while... He was almost powerless because of that.
As a person, Cyric wasn't that powerful, either. He just managed to be in the right place at the right time. That's not power, it's luck. |
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Cyric-The-Insane
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 05:32:34
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| I have argued this all with you people before. Over and Over. I can defend Cyric to the death because I have read every source of information about him and See no flaw in how he acted. Its 12:32 in the morning. Boy don't even get me started. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 11:19:26
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Originally posted by Cyric-The-Insane
I have argued this all with you people before. Over and Over. I can defend Cyric to the death because I have read every source of information about him and See no flaw in how he acted. Its 12:32 in the morning. Boy don't even get me started.
No flaw? You've obviously not read Crucible: The Trial of Cyric the Mad.  |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 16 Feb 2005 : 00:42:28
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Originally posted by Cyric-The-Insane
I have argued this all with you people before. Over and Over. I can defend Cyric to the death because I have read every source of information about him and See no flaw in how he acted. Its 12:32 in the morning. Boy don't even get me started.
No flaw? Lol. Well... how about the most obvious flaw of all, going insane? Then there's how he couldn't properly manage his domain of Death, allowing Kelemvor to come in and take his portfolio.
Then there's also Cyric's big screw-up with Zhentil Keep, resulting in the destruction of the city and his center of worship. Yup, the actions of a flawless man right here... |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 16 Feb 2005 : 08:25:01
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Bah it doesn't matter how he came into power whether he has it or not.
Whether it was by luck or not doesn't make a person any less dangerous.
And in the Trial he not only defends himself admirably against a multitude of other gods fighting against him, he also manages to spread enoguh chaos to destroy a relationship, nearly get Mystra replaced by a new Mystra, and manages to change Kelemvors personality.
Fairly good work for an insane person, wonder what he would have done when sane.
Also not sure where he stands with Shar but with Mystra in control of the weave, you could argue Shar is equally powerful in control of the Shadow Weave |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 16 Feb 2005 : 11:22:51
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Bah it doesn't matter how he came into power whether he has it or not.
Whether it was by luck or not doesn't make a person any less dangerous.
And in the Trial he not only defends himself admirably against a multitude of other gods fighting against him, he also manages to spread enoguh chaos to destroy a relationship, nearly get Mystra replaced by a new Mystra, and manages to change Kelemvors personality.
Fairly good work for an insane person, wonder what he would have done when sane.
Also not sure where he stands with Shar but with Mystra in control of the weave, you could argue Shar is equally powerful in control of the Shadow Weave
Luck does not make a person powerful, though. Just lucky.
He didn't change Kelemvor's personality, he just made Kelemvor see that he was making a mistake.
The Shadow Weave does not grant Shar equal power to Mystra. The Shadow Weave, by its very nature, is not as powerful as the regular Weave, so controlling it does not make her equal. Further, there's a lot more people, critters, and deities drawing on the regular Weave -- that helps Mystra, not Shar. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 16 Feb 2005 : 23:58:30
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Bah it doesn't matter how he came into power whether he has it or not.
Whether it was by luck or not doesn't make a person any less dangerous.
And in the Trial he not only defends himself admirably against a multitude of other gods fighting against him, he also manages to spread enoguh chaos to destroy a relationship, nearly get Mystra replaced by a new Mystra, and manages to change Kelemvors personality.
Fairly good work for an insane person, wonder what he would have done when sane.
Also not sure where he stands with Shar but with Mystra in control of the weave, you could argue Shar is equally powerful in control of the Shadow Weave
Kaladorm, Cyric would have lost the trial if it wasn't for the help of his devoted worshiper, Malik. The Seraph of Lies went like across Faerun to find The True Life of Cyric in Zhentil Keep to read at Cyric's trial. All Cyric wanted to do was have Malik read the Cyrinishad to all the other gods and dominate them. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Feb 2005 : 02:06:11
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So one way or another a book was going to be read. He gets either let off, or has his lies believed by everyone....and let off.
Sounds alright to me :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Feb 2005 : 02:12:16
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
So one way or another a book was going to be read. He gets either let off, or has his lies believed by everyone....and let off.
Sounds alright to me :)
Too bad he didn't plan it that way. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Feb 2005 : 02:50:58
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
So one way or another a book was going to be read. He gets either let off, or has his lies believed by everyone....and let off.
Sounds alright to me :)
Actually, if Cyric did have the Cyrinishad, the rest of the Circle of Greater Power (except for Tyr), would attack Cyric and take the book. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Feb 2005 : 19:33:38
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The Cyrinishad was a damn good idea. The power to subvert gods is hugely powerful.
Look at what it did to Mask without him having to even read it. See where Mask inadvertantly mentions that Cyric killed 4 gods, i.e. as detailed in the Cyrinishad, rather than the true account. And Mask didn't even read it properly and it wormed its way into his mind.
Anyway lets stop this, veering off from topic a bit here. All we're essentially discussing is 'is Cyric cool or a loser?'
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Sturm
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 18 Feb 2005 : 02:57:59
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| By far the strongest "Man" in the Faerun is Eleminster. On the other hand if you were talking about pure strength you could never know because Wulfgar is incredibly powerful yet i have know doubt there is someone out there stronger then him. Vander would be my first guess but he is also called a giant so i could never know. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Feb 2005 : 03:01:54
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| I think it's Elminster, not just because of his power as a wizard but because he is one of the few characters in the setting--IMO--who takes all the Realms into account when considering his actions and the actions of others. In other words, he has learned to look at the world in a way that goes beyond his own personal feelings and motivations. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2005 : 10:30:17
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Also ELminster has the power to make us laugh (wonder if he knows it or not?)
That sarcastic grumpy old man is one of the funniest people I've seen in the realms :) His comments in Volos guides are hilarious. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2005 : 00:51:48
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Also ELminster has the power to make us laugh (wonder if he knows it or not?)
That sarcastic grumpy old man is one of the funniest people I've seen in the realms :) His comments in Volos guides are hilarious.
Oh, I agree! That's one of the main reasons I like him. |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Mar 2005 : 02:26:33
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| I don't ever think w will find who is truly the most powerful man(or women in Faerun) However we definetly know that there are a select few who will always have an impact on the realms. Due to there power and influence. |
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