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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 02:35:50
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Hello there I know this title sounds specific but what i mean is who do you think whether genie demon or man or so on. Is or was the one who had the potential to cause massive destruction caused the deaths of many people(s) or basically who could have or did the worst.Maybeye not Faerun wide but a large chunk of it anyway. I would think possibly Karsus,Yamun Khahan,or Thayd but this is just my opinion. And maybeye who has the most potential for disiaster now.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 02:39:12
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| I believe the folks in Cormyr and Evereska will vote for Troy Denning. |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 03:03:32
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I believe the folks in Cormyr and Evereska will vote for Troy Denning.
 I do not doubt they would with whats happened to them and the massive (ka boom! style)events taking place.those poor poor people. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 03:24:24
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I believe the folks in Cormyr and Evereska will vote for Troy Denning.
You mean Troy "Death Star" Denning
Although theres might be some people (including a certain order of monks)in Damara who would vote for Richard Lee Byers |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 03:26:31
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
Hello there I know this title sounds specific but what i mean is who do you think whether genie demon or man or so on.
Ed of Greenwood.
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 04:26:41
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| Peter Adkinson, anybody? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 06:02:08
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The serious answer
Elven wizards have easily been the most destructive force on Toril
But if you want an individuel which ever Elf came up with idea of creating Evermeet |
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Durak
Seeker
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 09:52:49
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Karsus.
Currently, i would go for any of the chosen. Too much power, if one went evil, why cant another. Too much law can also be evil.
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 13:06:46
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Originally posted by Dargoth
The serious answer
Elven wizards have easily been the most destructive force on Toril
But if you want an individuel which ever Elf came up with idea of creating Evermeet
Why the elf that created Evermeet? And as for the wizards being the most destructive it is certainly on the top. with their sundering of the world and all.What were they trying to accomplish with their spell anyway. (just a thought) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Lucius
Seeker
98 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 16:44:38
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Just read this quote from The Best of the Realms vol.1 and tohught it was rather appropriate, talking about dangerous, powerful mages. 
"What's more dangerous than a mage out to rule the entire world? Why, a mage at play, of course...." -The Simbul, Witch-Queen of Aglarond |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 17:30:32
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Originally posted by The Sage
As for the answer to the question of the MOST dangerous MAN in Faerun, I would have to say... The Simbul  .
Well she's not A man but she certainly is volatile.With her chosen status her character class and the backing of Aglarond makes her a force to be reckoned with. Another dangerous women(well i think anyway) would have to be the Ice Qween Iyraclea(NE female human Clr15/Dis5/Hie5 of Auril) She resides beneath the Great Glacier and while not a threat on the widescale seems one of the more powerful women i have seen. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 21:37:45
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| I do like Dargoth's answer.Leave it to SB to kick off a topic with a wisecrack.But I would have to say that Khelben would be most able to bring much destruction no problem. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Feb 2005 : 22:36:30
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I'm inclined to agree with Dargoth, as well. The creation of Evermeet was one of the most destructive events to ever happen in the Realms.
Now, if I had to go with someone who's around now and alive, I'd say Fzoul Chembryl is the most dangerous... Just look at everything he's done for the Zhentarim and his deity in the last few years... I'd go so far as to say that without Fzoul's efforts on Iyachtu Xvim's behalf, Bane never would have been able to return.
And Fzoul is someone that Khelben respects enough to treat as an equal... |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2005 : 03:35:11
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| Absolutely Wooly.Good answer.I was thinking of Fzoul myself.He has done a lot for his god that's for sure.You know I hate to keep saying this,but WoTC needs to have one of these fabulous authors write the story of Fzoul.I would really enjoy reading that. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Feb 2005 : 23:45:10
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Would Cyric count? Since he was a man and even if we don't count his deity status could argue that he set in motion events for the deity Cyric to wreak a lot of havoc.
The man killed Bhaal! (arguably Mask did). A human mortal killing a god?
He then destroyed (or just imprison?) Lleira.
Killed also Myrkul and Bane according to him, my memory is a litlte shaky on the subject though, I think it was in his version of the book, as far as I could remember he only killed 2 gods.
Then after all this destruction he cause he destroyed a loving relationship between two gods, Kelemvor and Mystra.
Surely thats one of the saddest if not most destructive things.
Also if I remember rightly he had a crack at destroying the weave (and made not a bad job of it), possibly the shadow weave too again I can't remember.
Most of it vague recollections I'm afraid but there must be a fair bit of truth in there.
So if Cyric counts (shaky I know) then it has to be him :) |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 01:11:00
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| I was just about to mention the deities as well Kaladorm. Just look what happened in Faerun when they decided to visit the people... chaos, death and destruction. Surely nobody has as much power and influence than a god or their avatar even in a severely weakened state. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 01:29:27
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| I dunno, including deities or undead would kind of get to a "who's badder" discussion... Limiting it to living mortals who exist now makes for a much more interesting discussion... |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 02:33:49
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This on is not a man but a demihuman i think Gilnas Vyshaar would have to be one of the deadliest not merely because of personal power but because of the armies he controlled. he was certainly destructive as well having been one of the provokers of the crown wars that cost millions of lives. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 19:18:07
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I didn't intend to include Cyric as a deity, since obviously Deities have the potential to be the most destructive force (Think of the unssen master Ao answers to hehe).
I just thought it might count since he was human and you could argue he set the events in motion.
If he doesn't count then let me think of something else for a bit ;) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2005 : 20:21:57
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
I didn't intend to include Cyric as a deity, since obviously Deities have the potential to be the most destructive force (Think of the unssen master Ao answers to hehe).
I just thought it might count since he was human and you could argue he set the events in motion.
If he doesn't count then let me think of something else for a bit ;)
As a human, I don't think Cyric was all that dangerous. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 02:45:29
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| I agree with Wooly it seesm to me while he is dangeroes to the common person. He saw a oppurtunity and took it. Plus Bane was once a mortal and he killed a god as well. |
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Senbar Flay
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 02:46:55
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| I agree with Wooly it sees to me while he is dangeroes to the common person. He saw a oppurtunity and took it. Plus Bane was once a mortal and he killed a god as well. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 04:10:26
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| Hmm... but this was different. In Bane's case, he had already possessed enough power as a mortal that there was basically no worthy mortal opponents to challenge him. Then there's also his two allies, Myrkul and Bhaal, who both were pretty powerful themselves. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 10:06:43
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It's all so subtle with Cyric though :)
I'm more looking into the events he set up rather than actually achieved, it depends how picky you want to get.
By wielding mask he destroyed Bhaal. OK it was an opportunity and he took it but it still happened. Who's to say that destruction and power is all planned?
Also his betrayal of Kelemvor and Midnight implanted feelings in the two which carried on into the realm of gods when they were...ummm...godified?
This led to the destruction of their relationship and almost ended with Mystra being replaced in the Pantheon due to not maintaining her neutral status.
Ah well, think I'm fighting a losing battle :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 11:19:29
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Also his betrayal of Kelemvor and Midnight implanted feelings in the two which carried on into the realm of gods when they were...ummm...godified?
*blinks* In what way did Cyric implant feelings in the Kelemvor and Midnight? The relationship between those two happened without his input -- all he managed to do was push them apart, and they really set themselves up for that.
Cyric is an opportunist, pure and simple. No subtlety, just cunning. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 11:23:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Kaladorm
Also his betrayal of Kelemvor and Midnight implanted feelings in the two which carried on into the realm of gods when they were...ummm...godified?
Deified is the term I think that would apply there.
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Ah well, think I'm fighting a losing battle :)
It's interesting to note that, in my observations, Cyric has often received some of the strongest feelings of discontent from FR fans. I don't know if that's solely from feelings towards the god or perhaps some lingering ill-will towards the whole Time of Troubles. |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 12:10:00
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Well, in my case its mainly because despite the desperate tries of our DM, we whacked Cyric and his tagalongs too often to take him seriously :P
Personnaly, of all existing beings in Faerun, I'd vote for Telamont. 35th level caster, a Shade, and ruler of more than 1000 arcanists, 6000 soldiers and another few thousand shadovar - not to mention the Enclave of Shade itself, and the shadow mythallar residing there... I could imagine little that could live through open conflict with Shade. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Feb 2005 : 23:42:58
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
It's interesting to note that, in my observations, Cyric has often received some of the strongest feelings of discontent from FR fans. I don't know if that's solely from feelings towards the god or perhaps some lingering ill-will towards the whole Time of Troubles.
I've never liked him because of the way he was portrayed in the books... As a mortal, he was a jerk -- he wasn't cool or anything, and his downfall was too easy to be tragic. Then he became a deity, and his only real noteworthy doing (as far as villainy is concerned) was the Cyrinishad. And even then, he wound up utterly failing.
He's basically been portrayed as a jerk and an incompetent tyrant. That's why I don't like him -- he's got no style, he's just another villain. Boooorrrinnnggg!
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
Personnaly, of all existing beings in Faerun, I'd vote for Telamont. 35th level caster, a Shade, and ruler of more than 1000 arcanists, 6000 soldiers and another few thousand shadovar - not to mention the Enclave of Shade itself, and the shadow mythallar residing there... I could imagine little that could live through open conflict with Shade.
Ooh, good one. I still like Fzoul better, though. |
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Reefy
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Posted - 08 Feb 2005 : 11:20:58
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| I like Fzoul as a character better but I reckon Telamont is probably more dangerous. I'd also say Szass is more dangerous than both of them, in terms of sheer potential at least. |
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Darkheyr
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Posted - 08 Feb 2005 : 11:37:07
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I'm skeptical about Szass. While Thay can probably match Shade in direct arcane power; theirs isn't as concentrated - and Szass isn't the lone supreme ruler over all of Thay - and on purely personal power comparison, Telamont wins hands down.
Of course, there's Larloch or Halaster to consider as well :P |
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The Most Dangerous Man in Faerun
