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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 31 Mar 2005 : 03:48:08
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
If you're going to scoop us, be sure to provide a link. And what's with the delay in getting a Realms update today? Most of the time it's posted much sooner than it was today.
Oh, I don't know how to do those 'link' thingies, and plus I was giddy with excitement at getting in first. Did I mention the "woohoo" part? 
-- George Krashos
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2005 : 04:12:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Hey, no fair! I was out shopping and getting dinner with my girlfriend!
Who told you that you could have a life beyond here?  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2005 : 04:13:53
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh, I don't know how to do those 'link' thingies, and plus I was giddy with excitement at getting in first. Did I mention the "woohoo" part?
-- George Krashos
Took me quite some time to get the link thingies down. Now Mr. Woohoo, find me a copy of Resurrection. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2005 : 08:02:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Part 4 is now up. And I scooped Wooly and SB. Woohoo!
-- George Krashos
Hey, no fair! I was out shopping and getting dinner with my girlfriend!
Now to go read the Realmslore.
I have dreams about what having a life like that would be like  .
Now I'd like to thank both George and Sirius for the combined scoop .
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Baleful Avatar
Learned Scribe
Canada
161 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 15:21:47
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 15:53:01
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Originally posted by Baleful Avatar
These columns are great! Are upcoming topics always going to be surprises, or does WotC (or Ed) ever post them?
At times we have some idea. For example, we know that later this year there will be a series of web articles focusing on Waterdeep in support of the novel/gaming product release. But, otherwise, we are often in the dark when it comes to upcoming topics for the WOTC site. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 00:49:48
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I know about one that's coming up, and it's about a town which has had some funny spellings over the years.
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 11:23:48
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Originally posted by The Sage
Bink! And due to an unforeseen server downtime problem, the Sage takes the stage... .
Here's the link to the fifth part of the details on Melvos Hammerstars' Flourishing Career.
Curses! Foiled again! Had it not been for the downtime, the update would have been mine!
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 12:40:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Bink! And due to an unforeseen server downtime problem, the Sage takes the stage... .
Here's the link to the fifth part of the details on Melvos Hammerstars' Flourishing Career.
Curses! Foiled again! Had it not been for the downtime, the update would have been mine!
::gives The Sage a wink as he is stealthily passed a platinum piece for arranging the downtime:: |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2005 : 15:05:42
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Ed wanted me to emphasize that what's described in this fifth instalment is RAMPANT in Sembian society. Nigh EVERYBODY does it, if they're "merchants" who can.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 05:25:32
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Thank you Lady, for relaying for the emphasised addition. Ed provides us with another unique insight into the Land of Merchants that is Sembia  .
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 19 Apr 2005 : 15:26:06
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Looking down (or up?) the roster of published Realmslore columns, it occurs to me that they could be collected annually (and augmented by talented scribes with names like Boyd and Krashos, just to name two) and WotC would have a Realms sourcebook as interesting and useful as many they've published to date.
I wonder if any WotC 'bigwigs' ever read these threads . . . |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 00:57:13
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Ed has occasionally mused that in the "good ol' TSR days" (which also happened to be unprofitable ones as I understand it) stuff like his Border Kingdoms POLYHEDRON colums would have been collected up and folded into a sourcebook on the place. That's not to say that Ed preferred it that way, it was just a comment on what used to occur back then. Those days are gone however. The product schedule appears to be pretty rigorous in the sense that updates to 3E and 'new' stuff are all jockeying for position on the product schedule, and WotC seems to be more eclectic about what products it is cranking out for the FR line.
Collating the Realmslore columns into an annual sourcebook would be useful to diehard, core FR fans but may have little interest or utility for those who aren't that "into" the setting. Especially since they have little or no hard gaming material incorporated into them.
We just have to recognise that we are a small segment of the market in the overall scheme of things and that we have to support the FR line where and when we can. As thanks, we'll occasionally get little gems like LEoF, where the Realms shine through like a beacon and the D&D game retreats just that little bit into the background.
-- George Krashos
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 03:26:47
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Not to mention that if you collected all the Realmslore presented on the site throughout the entire year, you'd likely have a 32- or 64- page book, at best. Then you have to convince people to buy something that until a month or two previously was free -- and that's assuming they remove the stuff from the site, which they actually don't do very oft...
Admittedly, I have seen that happen... The Reseen of Project Phoenix were listed for free on the CBT site, until they took them down, added drawings of variants, and put them out in an overpriced Technical Readout. The only reason I bought it was because I have all of the TROs...
However, that's the only time I've seen a game company do that. It's likely too much of an iffy prospect for them to even think of it. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 04:22:36
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Not to mention that if you collected all the Realmslore presented on the site throughout the entire year, you'd likely have a 32- or 64- page book, at best. Then you have to convince people to buy something that until a month or two previously was free -- and that's assuming they remove the stuff from the site, which they actually don't do very oft...
Exactly, we might represent a small percentage of FR consumers. But, would scribes here pay for lore that had previously been available online? I wouldn't without additional material, wonderful art (which is something I have yet to see consistently in an FR product) and an absolute passion for the original material being gathered from online.
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Admittedly, I have seen that happen... The Reseen of Project Phoenix were listed for free on the CBT site, until they took them down, added drawings of variants, and put them out in an overpriced Technical Readout. The only reason I bought it was because I have all of the TROs...
However, that's the only time I've seen a game company do that. It's likely too much of an iffy prospect for them to even think of it.
Didn't the map folio that WOTC put out consist of maps that had originally came from online? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 04:28:31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Didn't the map folio that WOTC put out consist of maps that had originally came from online?
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 04:47:42
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Didn't the map folio that WOTC put out consist of maps that had originally came from online?
Yes.
I thought so. Thanks kuje31 for the confirmation. Did you purchase the folio? I didn't. Moreover, even if it had included Realms maps previous found within online articles, I doubt I would have purchased the folio. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 05:29:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I thought so. Thanks kuje31 for the confirmation. Did you purchase the folio? I didn't. Moreover, even if it had included Realms maps previous found within online articles, I doubt I would have purchased the folio.
Nay, that's one of the few WOTC items I never purchased. I have no need for maps because I got maps all over the place and I hardly use premade ones unless they are FR specific. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 06:29:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Admittedly, I have seen that happen... The Reseen of Project Phoenix were listed for free on the CBT site, until they took them down, added drawings of variants, and put them out in an overpriced Technical Readout. The only reason I bought it was because I have all of the TROs...
I was the same. In fact, I think I still have the variant details saved from the online site somewhere here.
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Nay, that's one of the few WOTC items I never purchased. I have no need for maps because I got maps all over the place and I hardly use premade ones unless they are FR specific. :)
Again, I am the same. I hardly ever use pre-made maps (and in keeping with the CBT references, their map charts are the only pre-made works I purchase for my gaming needs) for most settings because of the changes I made to certain areas of most worlds. Most "official" maps would be a of little use to me therefore.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 15:18:33
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One note to add here: from comments let slip by various TSR staffers, and ex-staffers, at GenCon over the years, the Realms was NEVER unprofitable. In fact, it was the engine that carried the company while money (largely made by Realms products) was repeatedly sunk into other projects that were sometimes disastrous.
Ed used to tell me that if "he were running TSR" he'd be looking to build more than one basket to carry all his eggs in, too, but as I understand it, the "won't make enough money" argument was never valid FOR THE REALMS in the old days.
In the new days, of course, all expenditures must be justified to Hasbro management, who will quite reasonably suggest sinking dollars into alternatives that will make MORE returns than merely a "moderately successful product that will please diehard fans" (hence the ever-expanding novels line).
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 : 15:57:54
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
In the new days, of course, all expenditures must be justified to Hasbro management, who will quite reasonably suggest sinking dollars into alternatives that will make MORE returns than merely a "moderately successful product that will please diehard fans" (hence the ever-expanding novels line).
love to all,
THO
Thanks THO for some insider information. And while we are on the topic of Hasbro and profits, the company has just reported First Quarter Results 2005
which show a games revenue decline. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2005 : 11:32:56
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Originally posted by The Sage
Binky Bink! The Sage is at it again .
Enjoy Part Six of Melvos's 'Flourishing Career'.
Dang it! That wasn't up when I went to bed last night... |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 17:21:04
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Originally posted by kuje31
Nay, that's one of the few WOTC items I never purchased. I have no need for maps because I got maps all over the place and I hardly use premade ones unless they are FR specific. :)
I agree, but the Map Folio 3D was nice. I bought that even though I had all the FPMs saved on my pc. Of course, I haven't put them together yet, since space is becoming a more and more precious commodity in my game room. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 May 2005 : 05:02:47
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Originally posted by The Sage
Hey, thanks for the update SB .
And it looks like we've got yet another part to this intriguing series still to come. Good stuff .
You're welcome. And for those scribes that have longed for more information about Sembia, these articles from Ed Greenwood show that Tymora does smile upon them sometimes. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2005 : 05:16:23
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| Gack! I just checked the site like half an hour ago, and saw nothing! Those evil gits did it to me again... I must smite them, I think. |
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