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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 17 Jun 2005 : 14:42:53
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Did we ever find out what the cover art of Champions of Ruin was suppose to be about? (Followers of one of the Orc gods riding Black Dragons helped by what looks like 2 Elven or Half elf females attacking a human town or village)
Perhaps an attack by members of the Cult of the Dragon with dragons assisting as mounts?
Probably not, the Cult of the Dragon would be using dracoliches. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jun 2005 : 15:51:01
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Did we ever find out what the cover art of Champions of Ruin was suppose to be about? (Followers of one of the Orc gods riding Black Dragons helped by what looks like 2 Elven or Half elf females attacking a human town or village)
Perhaps an attack by members of the Cult of the Dragon with dragons assisting as mounts?
Probably not, the Cult of the Dragon would be using dracoliches.
Judging by The Rite, you might want to tell that to Richard Lee Byers. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2005 : 02:10:40
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Originally posted by Xysma
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Did we ever find out what the cover art of Champions of Ruin was suppose to be about? (Followers of one of the Orc gods riding Black Dragons helped by what looks like 2 Elven or Half elf females attacking a human town or village)
Perhaps an attack by members of the Cult of the Dragon with dragons assisting as mounts?
Probably not, the Cult of the Dragon would be using dracoliches.
Not all dragons associated with the Cult are Dracoliches. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jun 2005 : 02:49:01
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| warlocko is correct. There are at least dozens of dragons with ties to the Cult that haven't been transformed because they do not wish to have the process yet or trying to manipulate the cult members into offering more for this. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 11:37:26
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Here's a very positive review of this product from RPGnet. However, if you are a purchaser of this tome, skip over the comments following the review. Ouch!  |
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Xaean
Acolyte
Austria
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 11:23:21
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| I like Champions of Ruin, especially the information it provides on the Elder Evils and about organizations the Eldreth Veluthra. It was also interessting to learn more about the monks of the Dark Moon and there relations to the Church of Shar as a whole. While it is in some ways similar to Lords of Darkness, it is also useful for player characters, provided the DM allows evil PCs. As far as some reprinted feats go, I don't mind, because if they didn't reprint them, you couldn't use Champions of Ruin without the books they were in before. Only the chapter about the races was somehow disapointing, the extaminaar and the kirinth seemed, as if they just had to invent a couple of new races and and had only a very short time left, somehow that creates an overload of exotic races. I would rather have liked to read more about existing so-called evil races, (though I don't like the term 'evil races')like drow, orc or duergar. I also somehow missed material on the Red Wizards, but otherwise I liked the book. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 01:27:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, the new race section was kinda lame...
Actually, I rather enjoyed the section on the Extaminaar.
::Ducks out of the way of Wooly's furry swipe::
The other racial sections however, felt like they were missing something.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 02:34:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, the new race section was kinda lame...
Actually, I rather enjoyed the section on the Extaminaar.
::Ducks out of the way of Wooly's furry swipe::
The other racial sections however, felt like they were missing something.
Yeah, was kinda lame on how Draegloths suddenly became sexless creatures. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 02:48:06
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Yeah, was kinda lame on how Draegloths suddenly became sexless creatures.
I don't fully accept that.
I'm thinking more in line with what Tom Costa said about the genderless nature of the draegloths -
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As for draegloth gender, I think we can agree that such a mating, particularly with the chaotic genomes of demons, can allow for innumerable permutations. Since we can be born with gender-oriented physical birth defects (both sets of genitals for example), who to say what happens when a demon gets involved beyond "yuck."
To put it simply, we are dealing with demons here -- chaotic and/or genetic aberrations should almost always be... the norm.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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The Sage
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 06:09:18
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I can just see Steve Schend chasing Eric with a pitch fork when he reads this! 
Thats the 2nd Death Knight thats poped up in Faerun this year |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
476 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 10:27:59
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We now have the web enhancement for CoR.
I looks very cool. Its a shame the map is a bit smudgy, but I can always mine it for ideas or even redraw the map if necessary. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 11:50:25
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We now have the web enhancement for CoR. Oddly enough, it appears to be set in Waterdeep. 
Good connection between the last two products. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 12:57:25
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| I wonder if Eric will give us another sublevel of Undermoutain in a CoS Web Enhancement...... |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 14:33:00
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City of Splendors web enhancement focuses on the environs of Waterdeep.
--Eric
That's great Eric. Do you also have an estimate on it's potential release date at WotC?
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 14:36:30
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No idea. Look at the release date of CoR and the release date of CoR WE, and extrapolate.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 14:41:21
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No idea. Look at the release date of CoR and the release date of CoR WE, and extrapolate.
--Eric
CoR was released back on the 6th of May in most places, so we're looking at just over two months.
CoS was released last month, so using the CoR/CoR WE as a basis... the WE for CoS should be uploaded to the WotC site around mid-August.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 20:08:13
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I can just see Steve Schend chasing Eric with a pitch fork when he reads this!
Thats the 2nd Death Knight thats poped up in Faerun this year
Actually, I think it's the third. (There was one in Lost Empires, I put one in Champions of Ruin, and now Vanrak.)
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 20:18:14
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Well, it's alright, we need more Death Knights in Faerun anyway... things were seriously too peaceful with the Phaerimms and the Shadovar and the Fey'ri and the... ok, you get the picture. :) Death Knights do rule though! 
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 21:17:42
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Good connection between the last two products.
Its Waterdeep season! A perfect time to set a campaign there
...now, how do I fit the clerics of Shar into my game. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 22:43:20
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I can just see Steve Schend chasing Eric with a pitch fork when he reads this!
Thats the 2nd Death Knight thats poped up in Faerun this year
Though Death Knights were originally (SFAIK) a Krynnish critter, I think that they're one of those few concepts that ports well to just about any setting.
Not that I want to encounter any, though. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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2067 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 23:12:37
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Actually, they were generic. See 1e FF or MM2.
The first death knight to appear in print in Realmslore was Shan Nikkoleth (sp?) in FR5 - The Savage Frontier. Of course, notorious death knight persecutor Steven Schend killed him off in editing in The North (or was it Hellgate Keep?).
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 23:37:11
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Actually, they were generic. See 1e FF or MM2.
The first death knight to appear in print in Realmslore was Shan Nikkoleth (sp?) in FR5 - The Savage Frontier. Of course, notorious death knight persecutor Steven Schend killed him off in editing in The North (or was it Hellgate Keep?).
--Eric
True they where in one of the 1ed books, but the entry in TSF says that the Deathknight like the Balor who ruled Hellsgate keep came from another world (Which Id always read as a silent nod to Dragonlance) |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 00:16:17
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Actually, they were generic. See 1e FF or MM2.
The first death knight to appear in print in Realmslore was Shan Nikkoleth (sp?) in FR5 - The Savage Frontier. Of course, notorious death knight persecutor Steven Schend killed him off in editing in The North (or was it Hellgate Keep?).
--Eric
True they where in one of the 1ed books, but the entry in TSF says that the Deathknight like the Balor who ruled Hellsgate keep came from another world (Which Id always read as a silent nod to Dragonlance)
Nah. The balor, the death knight, the flying dinosaurs with manticore spikes, and Radoc with the mongrelman army were all from I12 - Egg of the Phoenix, a compilation of RPGA articles loosely set in Greyhawk (another continent or a generic world, never quite clear). Note that the author of I12 and FR5 is the same ...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 03:34:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I can just see Steve Schend chasing Eric with a pitch fork when he reads this!
Thats the 2nd Death Knight thats poped up in Faerun this year
Though Death Knights were originally (SFAIK) a Krynnish critter, I think that they're one of those few concepts that ports well to just about any setting.
Not that I want to encounter any, though.
Death Knights are a generic creature, as Eric just pointed out.
However, the version for DL was revised several times throughout most of 2e to better reflect the more unique nature of the creation of the ONLY Death Knight on Krynn (at that time).
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 19:32:43
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Well, I got it, and I like it. The PrCs are very good -- I like this new way of writing them up, showing how they fit in to the world and including both low and high level members of said classes.
The races aren't so very much to me, but they're okay.
The section on Power groups was probably the best from my PoV. I like the info on bloodthirsty elven barbarians worshipping Malar in Cormanthyr, together with evil weretigers no less. And they remembered Kiaransalee's cult too! (Lolth can go hang, the other drow deities are what do it for me.) Though I am surprised to read about Malar's elven worshippers, considering how much he hates the elves. Maybe in CoV we'll read about First Orc Church of Moradin? ;)
I liked the additional info on the Cult of the Dragon's activities, as well as the Eldreth Veluuthra (evil non-drow elves, yes!). But one thing I'd like to ask about -- we're told that the EV doesn't have access to healing or clerical magic as there aren't any evil elven gods, yet Shevarash the Avenger does have some evil clergy. Why doesn't the EV recruit some of Shevarash's priests -- or are they all too busy killing drow to revenge elfdom on humans? |
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warlockco
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Champions of Ruin sourcebook
