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Dargoth
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 Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 05:43:24
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The problem with undead gods is that they dont really work in the FR
A god needs to have worshipers to power itself however most undead have no souls or by the time they rise as undead their souls have already passed on to what plane the god they worship as mortals lived
Unless it has been changed, Undead do have "Souls/Spirits" because while a person's corpse is animated you are unable to contact their "Soul/Spirit" in the afterlife.
Especially in the case of Undead like Liches, Vampires, and Death Knights.
Liches are the exception as they enter undeath willingly
However the soul of a person slain and raised as undead is not faithful to a god of undead creatures
Bob the cleric of lathander is killed by Vampire and his corps rises as a Vampire. Bobs soul isnt loyal to whoever the god of vampires is Bobs soul either goes straight to Lathanders realm or goes there when the Vampire in Bobs body is finally slain. Either way Bobs soul is not drawn to the god of Undead.
As for Liches, there wouldnt be enough Liches in the FR to support a god of Liches and most liches view themselves as being above the concern of gods so they wouldnt worship him anyway |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 17:39:20
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Dargoth
The problem with undead gods is that they dont really work in the FR
A god needs to have worshipers to power itself however most undead have no souls or by the time they rise as undead their souls have already passed on to what plane the god they worship as mortals lived
Unless it has been changed, Undead do have "Souls/Spirits" because while a person's corpse is animated you are unable to contact their "Soul/Spirit" in the afterlife.
Especially in the case of Undead like Liches, Vampires, and Death Knights.
Liches are the exception as they enter undeath willingly
However the soul of a person slain and raised as undead is not faithful to a god of undead creatures
Bob the cleric of lathander is killed by Vampire and his corps rises as a Vampire. Bobs soul isnt loyal to whoever the god of vampires is Bobs soul either goes straight to Lathanders realm or goes there when the Vampire in Bobs body is finally slain. Either way Bobs soul is not drawn to the god of Undead.
As for Liches, there wouldnt be enough Liches in the FR to support a god of Liches and most liches view themselves as being above the concern of gods so they wouldnt worship him anyway
Hmm, I think I miss read your first post. Wasn't trying to endore undead gods, was just trying to point out that undead do have "souls/spirits." |
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elven_songstress
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:54:35
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Ok I just recently got this book and I love it, so much to play with within its pages.Also the ghost bard can be finally recreated. *loL*
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Skarmarl
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:33:25
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I've got a question for the Libris mortis book.
The new spell "Summon undead I" allows me to summon a small zombie or an medium skeleton. BUT that kind of skeleton. Is it an badger, an elf, a dwarf or what??? van I pick my own choice, for instance a horse skeleton???? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 13:39:44
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| According to the table for the spell in Player's Guide to Faerūn (it first appeared in Magic of Faerūn), you can summon a Medium skeleton, so the skeleton of any Medium-sized creature should be allowed (at least that's how I interpret it). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 17:25:08
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According to the table for the spell in Player's Guide to Faerūn (it first appeared in Magic of Faerūn), you can summon a Medium skeleton, so the skeleton of any Medium-sized creature should be allowed (at least that's how I interpret it).
That works for me... |
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Skarmarl
Acolyte
Denmark
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 18:59:31
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that doesn't make any sense:
"I am a 1.st. level wizard and I now summon this 8hd skeleton that has 4 attacks..."??? |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 20:10:04
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This book is wacky is one respect though - I don't think there should be PC classes for undead like wights and mohrgs... That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they generally are driven by their hunger, but they have time to go off and learn the skills for a class? Nah, I don't buy it. Other than that, the book is awesome.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 08:19:42
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
This book is wacky is one respect though - I don't think there should be PC classes for undead like wights and mohrgs... That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they generally are driven by their hunger, but they have time to go off and learn the skills for a class? Nah, I don't buy it. Other than that, the book is awesome.
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They can just be exceptional members, ones that were so driven they retained their awareness of self.
Also in The Realms there is a Mohrg with class levels.
Lost Empires of Faerun, Kelthas the Dread (CE Male Human Mohrg Necromancer 10) who first appeared in the the module N5 Under Illefarn, was killed by adventurers over a decade ago but has came back as a Mohrg to plague the dwarves.
Edit: Had Under Illefarn incorrectly listed as N4. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 09:59:37
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that doesn't make any sense:
"I am a 1.st. level wizard and I now summon this 8hd skeleton that has 4 attacks..."???
Um... so which Medium-skeleton would get 8HD? If you look at the various skeletons in the Monster Manual, only half of the Large ones get that many Hit Dice. Remember that it's just an animated skeleton you summon, so it doesn't get any of its original owner's class levels. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 06:02:16
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
This book is wacky is one respect though - I don't think there should be PC classes for undead like wights and mohrgs... That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they generally are driven by their hunger, but they have time to go off and learn the skills for a class? Nah, I don't buy it. Other than that, the book is awesome.
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I see your point, but I have been rather fascinated with the concept of undead PCs since the Emancipated Spawn PrC from Savage Species. I think an undead PC could offer some interesting roleplaying opportunities. |
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