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Salius Kai
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 14:54:58
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I'm new to the forum but eager to join in the conversation.
As far as Drow being superpowerful, they s\do tend to have much better advantages in combat, but what about socialization? Their pretty much hated every where they go (more so that Orcs). Even Drizzt, whos some insanely powerful Hero. Its true that means they get more Exp. and gold, but where are they going to spend it, everyone hates them.
They could go back to the Underdark and spend it, but they can't bring most of it back to the surface. And if they tried to go to towns everyone would attack them, and unless theres a whole lot of Drow, their not going to kill a whole city full of people.
I myself am not too fond of the Drow race, but I wouldn't mind having a descent one such as Drizzt in my party. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
As far as the origianal discussion made by king-tiax, on which race is better, I have to go with Humans. They don't have long longivity, but they can excel in about anything the want too. I like making Human Illusionist. |
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Salius Kai
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Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 14:56:55
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| Someone commented on Elves being immortal. As far as that goes, unless you were raised on Tolkien (is that right?) their not. They just have some insane longivity. I think their life rane is like 5000-7000 years? |
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The Defence Minister
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 21:26:56
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Originally posted by Salius_Kai
Someone commented on Elves being immortal. As far as that goes, unless you were raised on Tolkien (is that right?) their not. They just have some insane longivity. I think their life rane is like 5000-7000 years?
In the Tolkien books they only 'live' for around 2000 years before they take the boat into the west which in my opinion counts as heaven.
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Salazar
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 22:22:25
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I don't think there is one race which is the best. All races have their own advantages/disadvantages.
Drow however, I think is a really powerful race. But I have to agree with Salius_Kai that the appearance of the drow can be very difficult when dealt with 'normal' humans. But hey, who needs humans 
My character, Salazar Milandi, is a Tiefling, an evil outsider. Tieflings have a couple of delightful advantages. Maybe their looks aren't very liked by other races, they can hide most of 'm. By the way who wanders in bright light if there's enough shadow to disappear in? |
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Tyreal Nyquis
Acolyte
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Posted - 18 Dec 2002 : 23:28:56
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| Halflings/Hobbits are obviously superior to all other races. Though they are not the strongest, they make up for it in speed and agility. This alone puts most other playable races at a disadvantage. No point in being strong if you cannot use it by hitting your opponent. They can excel in most any class even barbarian (Ghostwise) and adapt quickly to new enviroments. They are wonderful to be around, especially in large numbers and have an excellent sense of humor and humbleness about them. If halflings were to build their own cities and establish prosperous countries they would be very powerful indeed, considering their natural charm and good relationships with other races. The only reason halflings are seen as weak is because of their lack of organization. If the halflings managed to band together they could even rule the Faerun. |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 07:29:06
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Originally posted by Tyreal Nyquis
... The only reason halflings are seen as weak is because of their lack of organization. If the halflings managed to band together they could even rule the Faerun.
Excellent statement made. And I agree with most of what you said, however your last point would probably be the undoing of the halflings. They way they currently live is the way they are. If they were to start building/ruling big cities and nations, they would proabaly just turn into a smaller variant of humans... I like em the way they are tolkienesque hobbits, 2e rumblebellies or the leaner 3e version. |
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sabre
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 11:13:03
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this is an optional topic i guess...
all the talk about drow and dwarves...
yes drow are cool but they are evil that makes them less cooler...
and they can survive in the underdark so what?fyodor did it by himself and he is a human?
dwarves are stubborn enough to not accept that they are wrong in any matter eh?
The best race is what you think the best race...
my favorite race is elves'cause they are graceful, chaotic and
cultural...thay are snobbish then most races and that makes them seem mystical...And of course they are calm and always in control... |
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sabre
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 11:19:47
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Originally posted by Tyreal Nyquis
Halflings/Hobbits are obviously superior to all other races. Though they are not the strongest, they make up for it in speed and agility. This alone puts most other playable races at a disadvantage. No point in being strong if you cannot use it by hitting your opponent. They can excel in most any class even barbarian (Ghostwise) and adapt quickly to new enviroments. They are wonderful to be around, especially in large numbers and have an excellent sense of humor and humbleness about them. If halflings were to build their own cities and establish prosperous countries they would be very powerful indeed, considering their natural charm and good relationships with other races. The only reason halflings are seen as weak is because of their lack of organization. If the halflings managed to band together they could even rule the Faerun.
yeah sure they can rule Fearun my ..s
I don't like halflings much and i don't think the statament you made
reflects the truth much...
The only race which can rule the fearun with unity is "drow"!!
Other races aren't powerful enough and there always be humans whom don't like to be ruled by any other race then their own... |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 12:33:21
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Sorry TDM but you are wrong about the elves in Tolkien, the are truly
Immortal. You seem to have missed the beginning of the first film, and the conversation between Elrond and Gandalf, when he says " you forget I was there 3500 years ago when the will of man failed. So by your elven life span he should bee dead in The fellowship of the ring.
Oh, but to the real topic. After many hours of reading I "finally!" have come to the end of this scroll.
So my favvo race is
as my, apparently twin halfing brother said, but I guess we halflings all look a like to you big ones) Halflings are the best race for almost everything, mainly thieving, how has it come to this?. But I have to agree with the now general opinion that all races are good at something’s but are weaker at other things.
Second comes elves, I just love thee self awareness and humour
Humans come third, they are adaptable, fast learners and have a good organized society.
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The Defence Minister
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 19:13:16
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Originally posted by Hymn
Sorry TDM but you are wrong about the elves in Tolkien, the are truly
Immortal. You seem to have missed the beginning of the first film, and the conversation between Elrond and Gandalf, when he says " you forget I was there 3500 years ago when the will of man failed. So by your elven life span he should bee dead in The fellowship of the ring.
A) Dont beleive everything you see in the film, I am talking about the books (an not just the LOTR but the Silmarillion aswell)
B) Elrond is not an elf, he is a half elf and a Dunedain.
I suppose elves live for ever in theory as, as I said before, they stay in Middle Earth for about 2000 years and then travel into the west but I consider that as heaven.
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 20:41:05
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Oh, well I admitt defeat. I didn't know he was a half elf.
But what about Galadriel, she must have stayed in Middle Earth longer than 2000 years since she was given one of the three rings, and that is before the war where Sauron is banishd. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 20:43:38
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| Perhaps a conclusion of this topic would bee in order? |
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Edited by - Hymn on 19 Dec 2002 20:44:24 |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 20:48:01
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Elrond and his brother Elros were the first of the Peredhil(half elves) the sons of Earendil the mariner and Elwing the White.
Technically they were a mixture of Maia (demigods of a sort) Eldarin (High Elf) and High Edain (High Man or Dunedain), since they are the decendants of Melian and Thingol, and Beren and Luthien.
The elves are indeed immortal but they do eventually weary of the world and retreat to Valinor, (called the Undying Lands). Some elves hold out longer than others. Legolas held out a while after the end of the Third Age, traveled around with Gimli sightseeing as I recall.
But he did eventually succumb to the call of the sea.
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2002 : 21:35:57
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Thnx for clearing that one out Artilas. No grudges I hope.
So the conclusion I meant whas of the race poll, not the elves in LOTR. |
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Feanor_Karnil
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Dec 2002 : 01:42:33
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Drow are a powerful race maybe an ultimate race but they are lower than dirt in charisma. That is their only downfall.
Regarding the elves, their age ranges from race to race they do not live for thousands of years nor are they immortal. Some elves life span stretches about to a little over one thousand years.
But back to the original topic, Moon Elves are the best race.
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Salius Kai
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Dec 2002 : 14:12:22
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Glad to see you found the forums Feanor. However, even though you have memorized all the D&D books and copied them into your notebook, I'm pretty sure Elves do tend to live for thousands of years. And TDM, if Elrond was a Half-Elf, wouldn't that just shorten his life span? Or were you pointing out that the human blood might have helped him resist the call of the ocean thing? I guess I can't really comemment on the Tolkein (?) books because I haven't read them, I just wait for the movies. |
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The Defence Minister
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 20 Dec 2002 : 17:28:42
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Nice sum up there.
It all depends whether you consider Valinor as a mortal plane or as a form of heaven. I would call it a form of heaven and therefore elves are not immortal, but others would argue different.
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Dec 2002 : 00:48:33
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| Well as you might have guessed I do. But I don't feel like fighting over this trival, non FR topic so I dropp out. Gomen nazai. |
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Salius Kai
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Dec 2002 : 02:14:34
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| I agree, I don't know enough about those books to be arguing over them anyways. Bring on the Forgoten Realms. |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Dec 2002 : 20:21:26
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The point in bringing up Valinor, was to illustrate the fact that Evermeet is based on Valinor.
The "Retreat" was "borrowed" straight from Tolkien, as well as innumerable other things (not that I have a problem with that, what better source could there be?)
The similarities are pronounced.
I do not recall where but I remember reading in either Elves of Evermeet, or The Complete Book of Elves (or maybe somewhere else for that matter), that an elf dying of old age is unheard of, making them functionally immortal (as far as aging goes). I consider this a trait that makes them vastly superior to the other races.
I also consider PC's to be masters of their own destiny. If a character would resist the retreat based on his personality, then I allow it. Usually PC's who reach an age sufficient to be concerned with the retreat are so high level and strong of will I would basically treat it as though it were a simple matter of whether they are ready to quit. |
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Feanor_Karnil
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Posted - 24 Dec 2002 : 04:20:57
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| Back to the topic at hand what of the races that are not recognized as much as the others. Like the Genasi, Orcs, Goblins, and other such races. If those are included what race is best, I would say Dragons. |
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Salius Kai
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Dec 2002 : 16:58:40
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Yes, dragons are quite strong, but theres just not enough of them. Now Humans, there (if I'm right) the most widely spread and most populous race in Fearun. And they can excel at and damn near master anything they want.
And as far as Elves being immortal, mabey their just too proud to talk about their old dying (from old age). |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 30 Dec 2002 : 14:54:05
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Looking back at page 1 of the topic and re-assessing the question at hand, I see I have been in error. The question was "who likes what race" not "which race is best" so all the arguments don't really have a place in the topic. My apologies for my rant about the drow.
In the spirit of the intent of the topic. I would say I like the following races in this order:
Elves
(Moon)
(Gold)
(Green)
Half-Elves
Dragons
Humans
Faeriekind
Dwarves
Halflings
Gnomes
Half-Orcs
Drow
Note: I am an AD&D player and am not up on 3rd Edition, I am not familiar with Gensai and whatever is available in 3rd. |
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enchantedgoblin
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 : 05:28:43
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Dark_Lord
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 : 11:15:57
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| Hush you donkeys! Undead are supreme by all standards. |
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Lost Elph
Seeker
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 : 23:24:01
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Halflings
Drow
Elves
Those are all my fav!! |
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Deneir
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 03:11:28
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I like to play as...
Dwarfs mostly
Half Elfs are also sweet
I also enjoy that authors often add some humor with the relation ships between elfs and dwafs they go together well> |
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Sadonayerah Odrydin
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Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 05:50:40
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In order of my favorite races it goes:
elves (all kinds. *drow*, green, gold, moon, and sea elves. I count drow amongst the elves and not in their own separate category.)
dragons
faeries
halflings
humans
undead
half elves are mixed in there somewhere too, I just didn't type it in...and I'm not a big fan of dwarves...I generally try to stay away from them.... |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 06:00:02
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| I think "Half-Elf" is a good one. From a game point of view, they're incredibly versitle, with many of the strengths of both humans and elves. They can play most of the character classes, even the triple ones. And from a story point of view, I think they're still a good mix. True, they aren't as long-lived as full elves, but they also don't have the stereotypical arrogance of the adult to the child. And yet, as they still live longer than humans, they have longer to learn trades, travel, try new things, and have the sort of foresight that humans typically don't have. |
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Artalis
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Posted - 22 Jan 2003 : 15:12:38
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Originally posted by Dark_Lord
Hush you donkeys! Undead are supreme by all standards.
Undeath is a condition not a racial type. One must be something else first and then become undead thru some sort of spell or curse.
I am sure you know this, however I find it ironic and not a little amusing that you tell us to "Hush" and call us "donkeys" as you post an answer which is clearly in error.
I would also like to point out that everyone else manages to post without name-calling or insults (even feigned ones) I believe I speak for the majority of the scribes here when I say it degrades the intellectual relevance of the topic when posts like that are added.
Just MHO (well perhaps not so H).
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