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Karesch
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 00:39:30
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Ok, now this is something where I've started getting familiar with some of the more common and obvious ones, however I've seen many a reference where I was left scratching my head trying to figure out what was being reffered to. As such, I'm hoping one of the more wizened people on here, such as our great masters of realmslore, will fill out this thread and hopefully Alaundo can be convinced to sticky it so it'll be easy to reference from here on in. I'm sure many of the newer members of this forum, along with many who are newer to pen & paper, can never figure out what all the Acronyms that more experienced people use represent. More specifically, I mean the Acronyms referring to books. I mean, Dex, Con, etc. are all known to anyone who play's DnD of any sort. However there's many of us who don't know the Acronym's for the various books. So I'm hoping one or more of the more knowledgable scribes here can make a more extensive list of them for the rest of us to be able to reference?
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 00:55:10
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(Note: Capitalization is used to highlight the origins of the acronyms)
PHB- Player's HandBook
DMG- Dungeon Master's Guide
MM- Monster Manual
FRCS- Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting(used to refer to the 3e one, generally)
EoSS- Empires of the Shining Sea
LoI- Lands of Intrigue
LoD- Lords of Darkness(note there are two different books with this title-one for 1e, one for 3e.)
DGttU- Drizzt do'urden's Guide to the Underdark
MoP- Manual of the Planes(one for early 2e, one for 3e)
PGtF- Player's Guide to Faerun(generally refers to the 3e version)
MMII- Monster Manual II(generally refers to the 3e version)
FF- Fiend Folio(generally refers to the 3e version)
FR- Forgotten Realms 
PS- Planescape
F&P- Faiths and Pantheons
RoF- Races of Faerun
BoVD- Book of Vile Darkness
A&EG- Arms and Equipment Guide
UE- Unapproachable East
SM- Silver Marches
MoF- Depends. It could be used for either Monsters of Faerun or Magic of Faerun, although I refer to the second using MAoF.
A few others:
WE- Web Enhancement
PrC- Prestige Class
Oh, and for those of you hanging around a certain scroll in another part of the library:
ECS- Eberron Campaign Setting |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 01:14:35
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 01:17:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
WOTSQ- War of the Spider Queen (Current Novel series).
CoSQ-City of the Spider Queen
SK- Serpent Kingdoms
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 01:24:40
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Originally posted by Arivia
CoSQ-City of the Spider Queen
SK- Serpent Kingdoms
SS- Shining South
RotA- Return of the Archwizards (Novel series that kicked off 3e for the FR novel line).
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 01:27:51
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia
CoSQ-City of the Spider Queen
SK- Serpent Kingdoms
SS- Shining South
RotA- Return of the Archwizards (Novel series that kicked off 3e for the FR novel line).
Actually, I've seen most people refer to that as RotAW.
If it wasn't apparent:
ToT: Time of Troubles. |
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Karesch
Learned Scribe
Canada
199 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 01:30:47
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Wonderful, thank you for your contributions so far. there's a couple I'd not known already listed here, Thank you again.
K
ps. now if only we can get Alaundo to sticky it so it won't be lost in later pages. for I'm sure this will be a common reference if it's readily available. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 03:02:11
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Here's several more. They relate to the FR CRPGs:
IWD - Icewind Dale
IWD:HoW - Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter
IWDII - Icewind Dale II
NWN - Neverwinter Nights
NWN:SoU - Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of Undrentide
NWN:HotU - Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark
PoR:RoMD - Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor
BG - Baldur's Gate
BGII:SoA - Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
BGII:ToB - Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal
I know that I have missed some of them... It's most likely intentional
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 03:28:56
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Very nice. I was starting to wonder about some of them myself.
There is ones that goes IIRC... What does this one mean? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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AlacLuin
Learned Scribe
131 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 03:51:14
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Then there is the one that had me scraching my head for a long time.
FLGS - Friendly Local Gameing Store |
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Karesch
Learned Scribe
Canada
199 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 03:55:37
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the IIRC one confounded me for awhile, I'm glad someone else thought to ask about it, I'd forgotten about it recently, yet now that someone mentioned it, I remembered wondering what it meant.
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Knowledge is power... power corrupts... knowledge corrupts? hmm...
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 04:06:03
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Originally posted by The Sage
That's not a Realms reference... that's simply forumspeak.
True, True. But I've been wondering about this one for a while now.
Thanks for the information  . |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 04:24:21
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Originally posted by Arivia
Actually, I've seen most people refer to that as RotAW.
I stand corrected. Thanks Arivia. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 09:25:17
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I wouldn't call it forumspeak -- it's chatspeak. (Although, Karesch calls it something slightly, and more egotistically, different.  )
This includes simplistic spellings like "u" for "you" and "r" for "are." Also, there're things like IOW (In Other Words) and IMO/IMHO/IMNSHO (In My Opinion/In My Humble Opinion/In My Not So Humble Opinion). One I really hate is "?" (question) -- as in "i hav a ? 4 u." [::cringe::]
You know, it's been scientifically proven that proper use of the written language not only increases manual dexterity and typing speed, it also decreases world stupidity. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 09:31:17
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Well met
Indeed, I hope to collate a list of various acronyms (particulary FR-related with reference to products etc.) and keep it up here permanently in the library.
In the meantime, as well as those listed here by my fellow scribes, there are a few (albeit, a little outdated) on the official FAQ. I also recall seeing quite an extensive list over at the abode of those Wizards who dwell on the Coast. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 09:32:15
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That's not entirely correct. Although, it's hard to define these concepts anyway...
Chatspeak usually refers to talk in Mailing Lists and Instant Messenger packages, as well as the humble IRC.
Forumspeak (which was dually derived from both discussions at WotC and EN World) refers exclusively to talk within a forum based community.
Essentially, there's virtually no difference, but there are some gamers out in the D&D online community who like to have aspects like these "chat" definitions... clearly defined...  
I apologise in advance to those scribes (who are reading this particular post) who subscribe to this particular belief  .
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 10:32:18
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I don't see the difference with what you were refering to: IIRC. Forumspeak would be things refering to the forum's particular topic (such as the Realms abbreviations this started out talking about), which likely have no use elsewhere. Chatspeak would be the lazy versions of things that would make u look stoopid.
(I include so-called l337-speak in that, by the way.) |
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 12:39:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
You know, it's been scientifically proven that proper use of the written language not only increases manual dexterity and typing speed, it also decreases world stupidity.
Lol!  I agree with you there.
There is only so much mangling of the language one can take. It is a good tool for speed (when chatting or on MMORPGs), but overreliance on it can be detrimental. As a professor (aye, I like knowledge a lot), I tend to see a lot of students who write the same way on tests and the like. I try to discourage the habit as much as possible. |
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Jerard Doonsay
Seeker
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 13:31:31
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| This is more than likely my stupidity at work, but I have no idea what PbeM, or PBeM, or PbEM, or how ever it goes, is. COuld some one please enlighten me? |
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Faraer
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 13:41:22
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| Some of those are sassin frassin illiterate. Such abbreviations only use the initials of words, so Player's Handbook is PH not PHB, and RotAW, IWD, NWN are wrong. PrC is also stupid -- it normalizes the idea of a prestige class, gives it Spurious Capitals, and with the 'r' isn't even a standard abbreviation, and who is so lazy they can't type 'prestige class'? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 13:43:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I don't see the difference with what you were refering to: IIRC. Forumspeak would be things refering to the forum's particular topic (such as the Realms abbreviations this started out talking about), which likely have no use elsewhere. Chatspeak would be the lazy versions of things that would make u look stoopid.
(I include so-called l337-speak in that, by the way.)
That's essentially what I thought as well. But as I said previously, there are some people who don't see things regarding the various methods of internetspeak, like the rest of us have...
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The Wanderer
Learned Scribe
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132 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 13:44:16
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Originally posted by Jerard Doonsay
This is more than likely my stupidity at work, but I have no idea what PbeM, or PBeM, or PbEM, or how ever it goes, is. COuld some one please enlighten me?
Perhaps it is Play by E-Mail? Where did you see it? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 13:46:46
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Originally posted by Jerard Doonsay
This is more than likely my stupidity at work, but I have no idea what PbeM, or PBeM, or PbEM, or how ever it goes, is. COuld some one please enlighten me?
Are you referring to Play-by-email? It's simply a method of online roleplaying.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 15:27:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
Some of those are sassin frassin illiterate. Such abbreviations only use the initials of words, so Player's Handbook is PH not PHB, and RotAW, IWD, NWN are wrong. PrC is also stupid -- it normalizes the idea of a prestige class, gives it Spurious Capitals, and with the 'r' isn't even a standard abbreviation, and who is so lazy they can't type 'prestige class'?
Some of these points are because one needs to differentiate one abreviation from another. PHB should technically be PH, I agree, since it isn't likely to be confused with pH, which is the only other similar acronym I can think of off the top of my head. The only reason I can think of for doing that is to make it three letters, which lets it fit in with others more easily.
"IWD" is also technically wrong, but then it's ID, a very common abreviation for identification. It's a weak argument, but I'm in favor of IWD. NWN would also be NN.
PrC is important, though. "Prestige Class" is often capitolized anyway, and so is "Player Character" -- hence the use of a lowercase "r" to let people tell what the heck people are talking about. And around here, people use "Player Character," "Prestige Class," "Player's Handbook," and "Dungeon Master's Guide" so often it quickly gets monotonous. That's the idea behind chatspeak, of course, but I consider it quite different here.
It's also not against the normal English language to add in lowercase letters to an abreviation. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 15:39:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
Some of those are sassin frassin illiterate. Such abbreviations only use the initials of words, so Player's Handbook is PH not PHB, and RotAW, IWD, NWN are wrong. PrC is also stupid -- it normalizes the idea of a prestige class, gives it Spurious Capitals, and with the 'r' isn't even a standard abbreviation, and who is so lazy they can't type 'prestige class'?
I've actually used PrC a time or two... Mostly out of convenience.
Oh, and Bookwyrm mentioned 1337-speak. I'll admit that every now and again, I think it appropriate to use a single word or two of 1337-speak. But 'tis quite rare, not even once a month. I've seen some who insist on constantly using it, and it irritates me more than puppies and Girl Scout Cookies irritate Cyric. I think those people look like fools.
On the flip-side, though, I will use it sometimes for passwords. I think it ideally suited for that. |
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Faraer
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 15:49:09
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| Someone talking about prestige classes so much they're inclined to abbreviate 'em really should talk about something else. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 16:19:17
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Originally posted by Faraer
Someone talking about prestige classes so much they're inclined to abbreviate 'em really should talk about something else.
Oh, no, I don't talk about them that oft. If I mention prestige classes at all, it's usually either a complaint or a joke. |
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Karesch
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 02:23:45
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Personally, I find many of the book related abbreviations and things like PrC, PC, etc to be easier on the eyes more often than not. I mean, if someone is talking about prestige classes, chances are, the term is going to come up repeatedly in a single post, and it saves both boardspace and makes scanning the post easier. However, thats merely my opinion. Now I hope someone will forgive my ignorance, but what is 1337-speech? Could someone give a brief example, and mebe I can figure it out from there. Thanks
K
PS. Alaundo, you said you wanted to create a thread of acronyms, well, here's the thread, perhaps you could consider stickying it? It's deviated off topic a touch yes, but the first several posts are full of valuable reference. |
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brjr2001
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 02:35:24
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Ummm all i know are
B= Baldurs Gate
FR= Forgotten Realms
Phb= Players handbook
Dmg= Dungeons Masters Guide
F+A= Faiths and Avatars |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 03:16:39
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Originally posted by Karesch
Now I hope someone will forgive my ignorance, but what is 1337-speech? Could someone give a brief example, and mebe I can figure it out from there. Thanks
1337-speak, pronounced "leet", is something that's been around for a while. From what I've read, the original intent was to get around filters and such. By substituting numbers for letters, you could slide something by that would otherwise get caught.
It used to be something only the die-hard computer people did, but it eventually spread, and now a lot of new people see it, think it's cool, and annoy others with it.
As I said, it's replacing letters with numbers (and sometimes symbols). There's a couple odd spelling tricks, too. The letter F usually becomes PH, as in "ph33r my l33t 5killz!" Also, some people go all out with replacing stuff, while some do only a few changes. I've seen all these before: 1337, l33t, l33+, and 133+, and they all mean the same thing.
Most people that know what it's about find it annoying when others use a lot of l33t-speak.
Now, back on topic before an angry mod comes swooping in, another relevant abbreviation:
FRA -- Forgotten Realms Adventures, tbe book that brought the Realms from 1st to 2nd edition. |
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