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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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 Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 16:17:47
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 18:37:41
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Valar's Book of Erotic Fantasy is the book Sirius is talking about here.
Sigh and here I was trying to be all mysterious so that name wouldn't be mentioned in fear of the reaction.  Yes, that's the book and it's on my shelf.
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Very good book in my opinion, and yes I bought a copy as soon as it was possible to do so, since my games do involve love, romance, etc.
Yes, a good book that did not deserve the many outlandish comments it received from those that hadn't ever viewed it.
To some extent, all my games since I gamed in Saudi Arabia involved adult subject matter (love, romance, and sex) to some degree. My two players these days are both females and have no problem dealing with adult subject matter. Thus, I was very curious to see how a publisher would deal with the subject matter. Overall, I think they did a solid job.
In the hopes that I don't set off a flame war here -- when the book is labeled as mature, does that mean high-school-locker-room mature or calm-rational-adults mature? I'dlike looking at it if it's the latter.
Myself, I thought most of the material in the two mature-rated books I've actually looked at (Book of Vile Darkness/Exalted Deeds) was more overrated than anything. I like them, mind, but I've seen much worse on the nightly news.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 19:16:12
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Originally posted by Ardashir
In the hopes that I don't set off a flame war here -- when the book is labeled as mature, does that mean high-school-locker-room mature or calm-rational-adults mature? I'dlike looking at it if it's the latter.
I'd not associate a high school locker room with maturity. To me, that's a great example of immaturity. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 23:32:34
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Originally posted by Ardashir
In the hopes that I don't set off a flame war here --
Why would this set off a flame war?
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when the book is labeled as mature, does that mean high-school-locker-room mature or calm-rational-adults mature? I'dlike looking at it if it's the latter.
The BOEF, which I mentioned, tackled the issue of sex in roleplaying in what I thought was a very mature manner. If you wish high school level maturity, which as WR pointed out, is an oxymoron, I'd direct you to some other publishers.
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Myself, I thought most of the material in the two mature-rated books I've actually looked at (Book of Vile Darkness/Exalted Deeds) was more overrated than anything. I like them, mind, but I've seen much worse on the nightly news.
I only saw the first of the two tomes you mentioned. I felt the entire tome and the hype surrounding it to be overrated and more of a sales ploy than anything actual interesting. But, that's just my opinion. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 23:42:41
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| It looks like the Races of X and Complete X line are coming to an end there is only Complete Adventurer and Races of the Wild in WOTC 2005 catalouge |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 00:31:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
It looks like the Races of X and Complete X line are coming to an end there is only Complete Adventurer and Races of the Wild in WOTC 2005 catalouge
There is only so much material they can rehash from Song & Silence, Master of the Wild, Tome & Blood, etc. etc. etc. and Dragon Magazine before they've reprinted everything we already have.
Maybe they'll get back to useful supplements soon.  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 02:57:08
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Originally posted by SirUrza
There is only so much material they can rehash from Song & Silence, Master of the Wild, Tome & Blood, etc. etc. etc. and Dragon Magazine before they've reprinted everything we already have.
Maybe they'll get back to useful supplements soon.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 20:37:05
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Report on Complete Adventurer
3 New Core Classes: Ninja, Scout, Spellthief.
Ninja: Looks like a Rogue/Monk Hybrid. Rogue BAB & Saves. Monkish AC bonuses (Wisdom adds to AC and can't wear armor). Has lame new Sudden Strike ability (like Sneak Attack, but target must be Flat-Footed, stacks with Sneak Attack). Several Ki Powers. No Uncanny Dodge, has Evasion.
Overall, the IMHO the Ninja from Rokugan is better, Fighter BAB, Rogue Saves, no AC bonus, but can use armor, and armor with 0 Armor Check allows use of all abilities. No Evasion, has Uncanny Dodge. Abilities, are a first strike combatant, that strikes first and goes for the kill.
Scout: Ranger/Rogue Hybrid, Rogue BAB and Saves. Has interesting new Skirmish ability, bonus damage if Scout moves 10' or more, also gains AC bonus. Gains Uncanny Dodge and Evasion. Is the perfect Wilderness Rogue.
Spellthief: Thief/Sorcererish Hybrid, Rogue BAB, Sorcerer Saves. Has Sneak Attack, no Uncanny Dodge or Evasion. Has Sorcerer/Wizard spell list up to 4th level from the schools of Abjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Illusion, and Transmutation. Abilities seem to revolve around the taking of spells/spell-like abilities from foes.
Prestige Classes:
Animal Lord: revised to 3.5E PrC from Masters of the Wild.
Beastmaster: looks like variant of Tamer of Beasts from Master of the Wild.
Bloodhound: revised to 3.5E PrC from Masters of the Wild.
Daggerspell Mage: new PrC, Two-Weapon Fighting Dagger Arcane Rogue, has Rogue BAB, Good Ref and Will saves, 9 levels or arcane spellcasting.
Daggerspell Shaper: Druid version of the above.
Dread Pirate: Revised PrC from Song and Silence.
Dungeon Delver: Revised PrC from Song and Silence.
Exemplar: Skill Monster is the best way I can describe this PrC, not sure if was from another source or if it is new. Rogue BAB, good Will save.
Fochlucan Lyrist: Druid/Bard fusion, basically a Druid/Bard Mystic Theurge. Fighter BAB, Good Ref and Will saves.
Ghost-Faced Killer: revised PrC from Dragon Magazine, has lame new Sudden Strike ability. Basically a PrC with several Fear Effects.
Highland Stalker: A Mountani Scout PrC, has Fighter BAB and Saves. Has Skirmish ability instead of Sneak Attack.
Maester: Gnome PrC that is an Magic Item Creation PrC. Arcane caster of 5th required, though spell progression is generic. 4 out of 5 levels progression.
Master of Many Forms: A Druid Wild Shaper PrC, extremely focused on Wild Shape.
Nightsong Enforcer: PrC from Dragon revised.
Nightsong Infiltrator: PrC from Dragon revised.
Ollam: Dwarven PrC that gives some Bard Abilities.
Shadowbane Inquisitor: Lawful Good Rogue that is Paladin or Cleric.
Shadowbane Stalker: The Knife to the aboves Hammer.
Neither seem to be very interesting to me.
Shadowmind: Psionic Rogue PrC, must have Concealing Amorpha as a power.
Spymaster: Song and Silence PrC revised.
Streetfighter: Urban Fighter/Rogue PrC.
Tempest: Masters of the Wild PrC revised.
Thief-Acrobat: Song and Silence PrC revised.
Vigilante: Song and Silence PrC revised.
Virtuoso: Song and Silence PrC revised.
Wild Plains Outrider: Appears to be Halfing Outrider, revised as a more generic PrC.
Skills:
Interesting new ways to use skills, but increasing the DC of skill checks.
Feats:
Feats that allow Monks to Multiclass with various different Classes, Ranger, Paladin, Sorcerer, and Rogue.
Feats that allow Paladins to Multiclass with Rogue, Bard, and Ranger.
Various feats from Song and Silence revised to 3.5E rules.
Equipment:
Several new Exotic weapons, some new Alchemical items, new ways to deliver Alchemical items, new tools (some appear to be revised), Masterwork Instruments.
Several new Magical Items, Magic Armor and Weapon Properties. A few are reprinted or revised. Most are New.
Spells:
Many new spells, some allowing Sneak Attacks vs creatures normally immune. Many spells are Swift.
Epic:
Epic Progression Information for Dungeon Delver. Several New and Revised Epic Feats.
I hope that helps anyone interested in the book and hasn't had a chance to look at it.
IMOH it is an okay book, not as good to me as the previous 3, but it does complete the collection. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 00:32:02
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Have I told you SirUrza how delightful it is to have you posting at Candlekeep now?
I'm glad you find my blunt statements regarding WOTC's current product line so entertaining. It's one of the few free services I provide before demanding tribute. :) |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 04:56:11
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| Warlocko, may I ask what makes the Daggerspell Mage connected to daggers? What dagger-related abilities does it grant? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 05:28:56
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Originally posted by warlockco
IMOH it is an okay book, not as good to me as the previous 3, but it does complete the collection.
Thank you for detailing the contents within. I did not realize the amount of revised material that is present within the tome before I read your post. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 05:59:42
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by warlockco
IMOH it is an okay book, not as good to me as the previous 3, but it does complete the collection.
Thank you for detailing the contents within. I did not realize the amount of revised material that is present within the tome before I read your post.
No problem, another thing I noticed, while going through the other Complete books looking for "filler" feats for a character of mine, that until I get a few more levels, the feats I get currently don't matter much, so was looking for interesting feats that I never used before. Several of the feats presented in Complete Adventurer are reprints from other Complete series books. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 06:27:06
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Originally posted by warlockco
I hope that helps anyone interested in the book and hasn't had a chance to look at it.
It has, and thank you for the details.
Judging from the content though, there's very little in it that would justify my purchasing of it. So, I'll don't think I'll bother. Although, the Exemplar, Fochlucan Lyrist, and the Shadowmind PrCs sound rather interesting . . . a shame you can't just take what you like and leave the rest . . . 
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 06:44:52
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
a shame you can't just take what you like and leave the rest . . .
I so this marvelous invention the other day. I believe it's called a photocopier. ;) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 10:56:05
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
a shame you can't just take what you like and leave the rest . . .
I so this marvelous invention the other day. I believe it's called a photocopier. ;)
Yeah, but most bookstores don't have one of those handy.  |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 14:11:29
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
a shame you can't just take what you like and leave the rest . . .
I so this marvelous invention the other day. I believe it's called a photocopier. ;)
Yeah, but most bookstores don't have one of those handy.
And those that do, are usually heavily monitored . . .
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 20:53:17
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Could always borrow the book from the friend before going to your local Officemax, Staples, or Kinkos.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 18:31:37
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| The art gallery for this product is now available. |
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Mareka
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 22:56:20
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| The artwork looks a lot nicer in this one than the last couple of books. I really like David Hudnut's stuff. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 06:02:14
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The art gallery for this product is now available.
Have any of these images served to generate in any scribe here, more interest in this tome than they had previously?
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 06:04:18
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The art gallery for this product is now available.
Have any of these images served to generate in any scribe here, more interest in this tome than they had previously?
My Brother plays the party Thief so he gets to buy this book  |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 06:14:28
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The art gallery for this product is now available.
Have any of these images served to generate in any scribe here, more interest in this tome than they had previously?
My Brother plays the party Thief so he gets to buy this book
Ah. 
So you'll likely have the opportunity to post some thoughts on the general "feel" of the tome, once you've had a chance to review it . . . Yes?
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 06:19:33
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Actually I started a massive article for Candlekeep today Im going to go through Conmplete Warrior/Arcane/Divine/Adventurer and highlight the stuff thats useful for the FR and where I think you can use it. Im then going to do the same for the Races of X books when they finish that line
ie it will be similar to the article I did for the Draconomicon |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 06:50:40
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Originally posted by Dargoth
ie it will be similar to the article I did for the Draconomicon
You do sleep, yes? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 06:52:01
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Have any of these images served to generate in any scribe here, more interest in this tome than they had previously?
No, but that's no fault of the art. I think it looks fine overall from what I examined. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 07:00:05
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Dargoth
ie it will be similar to the article I did for the Draconomicon
You do sleep, yes?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 11:34:51
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The art gallery for this product is now available.
Have any of these images served to generate in any scribe here, more interest in this tome than they had previously?
I didn't even look... I almost never look at the art previews, because I'm not interested in the artwork. It generally adds little for me, and I'm one who was spoiled by the wonderful artwork of Larry Elmore, and the excellent artwork of Jeff Easley and Clyde Caldwell (even if he does have to put that round red gem in every pic). I think it'd be great if WotC was to get those guys back for art... |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 13:27:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The art gallery for this product is now available.
Have any of these images served to generate in any scribe here, more interest in this tome than they had previously?
I didn't even look... I almost never look at the art previews, because I'm not interested in the artwork. It generally adds little for me, and I'm one who was spoiled by the wonderful artwork of Larry Elmore, and the excellent artwork of Jeff Easley and Clyde Caldwell (even if he does have to put that round red gem in every pic). I think it'd be great if WotC was to get those guys back for art...
Yeah, I always noticed that little quirk about Caldwell's artwork as well. I liked it.
Larry Elmore was always a favorite, mainly because of the work he did for the early DL setting. My respect for his work has only increased since his imagery for the Sovereign Stone setting published by Sovereign Press. Easley's work was always something grand and mystical. When you looked at it, you felt like you were truly experience what life would be like in the images he'd drawn.
I miss them all. Although, some of the artists for 3e have filled those shoes rather expertly, Wayne Reynolds and Sam Wood in particular.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 19:32:30
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Yeah, I always noticed that little quirk about Caldwell's artwork as well. I liked it.
Larry Elmore was always a favorite, mainly because of the work he did for the early DL setting. My respect for his work has only increased since his imagery for the Sovereign Stone setting published by Sovereign Press. Easley's work was always something grand and mystical. When you looked at it, you felt like you were truly experience what life would be like in the images he'd drawn.
I miss them all. Although, some of the artists for 3e have filled those shoes rather expertly, Wayne Reynolds and Sam Wood in particular.
For the new artists, I like Sam Wood, Todd Lockwood (did notice he did do some 2E artwork), and Mathew Wilson (loved alot of his stuff from Magic).
The thing that Caldwell put into all his art was just his signature, kinda like how Elmore has his last name distinctively placed on most of his art. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2005 : 23:14:26
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Yeah, I always noticed that little quirk about Caldwell's artwork as well. I liked it.
Larry Elmore was always a favorite, mainly because of the work he did for the early DL setting. My respect for his work has only increased since his imagery for the Sovereign Stone setting published by Sovereign Press. Easley's work was always something grand and mystical. When you looked at it, you felt like you were truly experience what life would be like in the images he'd drawn.
I miss them all. Although, some of the artists for 3e have filled those shoes rather expertly, Wayne Reynolds and Sam Wood in particular.
For the new artists, I like Sam Wood, Todd Lockwood (did notice he did do some 2E artwork), and Mathew Wilson (loved alot of his stuff from Magic).
The thing that Caldwell put into all his art was just his signature, kinda like how Elmore has his last name distinctively placed on most of his art.
But that can't be his signature, since he signs with a C with a long tail off of it (the lower end extends out, up a bit, and then back down). |
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