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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 23 Mar 2024 : 10:03:22
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Hello.
Question: was there ever any follow-up to the speedy trial of Adon and Midnight, be it in other novels or even a game setting supplement? I imagine the townsfolk must have felt aghast when they learned that they almost killed the future god of magic.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 23 Mar 2024 : 12:36:28
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There was no follow up about that aspect of Shadowdale.
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Mar 2024 : 19:17:30
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I suppose everyone involved would occasionally find themselves butts of some unkind jokes.
Especially from the people who know about Finder. Once a fluke, twice a trend, you know? |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Mar 2024 : 00:50:16
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It's commonly known. Nearly all of Waterdeep saw and herd it happen. Most novels that mention the Time of Troubles show most characters know about it.
And Daleland kangaroo courts...fun to think about
Guess some would say "oh the Dalelands are normally a place of perfect justice" but...um..er..um...the Time of Troubles just made them 'kangaroo like".
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Daleland justice is kangaroo court insane. When a crime is committed, they round up the Usual Suspects...and find an Dale outsider "guilty until proven innocent" and do a speedy trial to imprison or kill them.
The Dark Side of the Dales :) |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 27 Mar 2024 : 15:15:47
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| I just think we need to come up with a different term than kangaroo court, since as far as I know, Toril has no kangaroos. Could be wrong... interested if someone can come up with an example. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Mar 2024 : 23:40:21
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Originally posted by Azar
Hello.
Question: was there ever any follow-up to the speedy trial of Adon and Midnight, be it in other novels or even a game setting supplement? I imagine the townsfolk must have felt aghast when they learned that they almost killed the future god of magic.
Those were some of the first Realms novels I read; I got them as they were coming out...
...That said, there's reasons I've not read them in 20 years or more. |
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Werthead
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Posted - 28 Mar 2024 : 00:07:44
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Originally posted by sleyvas
I just think we need to come up with a different term than kangaroo court, since as far as I know, Toril has no kangaroos. Could be wrong... interested if someone can come up with an example.
The existence of kangaroos on Toril is probable; we have an Australasian-analogue continent (even if to Ed's consternation) in the form of Osse, and we have both wombats and platypii confirmed to exist on a small island off the coast of Orlil, Lantan.
Furthermore, said wombats and platypii are intelligent creatures capable of speech and interaction with other sentients, leading to a potential conclusion that, since 100% of all marsupials on Toril encountered so far being sapient, intelligent beings (from one datapoint, though), it is possible that Torilian kangaroos are also sentient, and should be treated with care (given their non-sentient terrestrial analogues' capability to remove peoples' heads from their shoulders if not treated with care). |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Mar 2024 : 08:07:15
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
It's commonly known. Nearly all of Waterdeep saw and herd it happen. Most novels that mention the Time of Troubles show most characters know about it.
And Daleland kangaroo courts...fun to think about
Guess some would say "oh the Dalelands are normally a place of perfect justice" but...um..er..um...the Time of Troubles just made them 'kangaroo like".
OR
Daleland justice is kangaroo court insane. When a crime is committed, they round up the Usual Suspects...and find an Dale outsider "guilty until proven innocent" and do a speedy trial to imprison or kill them.
The Dark Side of the Dales :)
I've a sneaking suspicion that dissemination of this event would not positively contribute towards the growth of their tourism industry.
Seriously speaking, there are a few ways we can approach this faux pas to end all faux pas ->
* Just ignore it altogether. If anyone inquires, you've got an index finger for each ear and everyone knows at least one ditty ready to go at a moment's notice.
* Consider the hasty appeasement a moment of growth for Shadowdale (and Mourngrym, in particular). If no contradictory official material exists, then one theory is as good as another, yes?
* Accept this miscarriage of justice as-is. At the end of the day, The Forgotten Realms IS quasi-medieval fantasy. It is not outside the realm of possibility that there will be instances - even within the more civilized regions - where Tyr weeps profusely while spectating from above. Ah...an adventure seed is born: priests of The Maimed God make a pilgrimage in order to investigate how things went awry.
Personally, I think Elminster shouldn't have cautioned the group to stay away from the Dale for a few years; the mighty mage should have returned home, conjured a mystical megaphone and put on an impressive light show in order to deeply shame all parties involved until they swear to not enact retribution against those wronged by the mob. To fault someone for escaping a death sentence when they were innocent is insane.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
I just think we need to come up with a different term than kangaroo court, since as far as I know, Toril has no kangaroos. Could be wrong... interested if someone can come up with an example.
"Jarbo court", then? If not present in Anauroch, they are probably all over Zakhara.
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Originally posted by Azar
Hello.
Question: was there ever any follow-up to the speedy trial of Adon and Midnight, be it in other novels or even a game setting supplement? I imagine the townsfolk must have felt aghast when they learned that they almost killed the future god of magic.
Those were some of the first Realms novels I read; I got them as they were coming out...
...That said, there's reasons I've not read them in 20 years or more.
1989 was a different zeitgeist, Wooly . |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Mar 2024 : 19:06:19
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Originally posted by Werthead
The existence of kangaroos on Toril is probable; we have an Australasian-analogue continent (even if to Ed's consternation) in the form of Osse, and we have both wombats and platypii confirmed to exist on a small island off the coast of Orlil, Lantan.
Nobody summarily exiles people there, however. Until then, there may be kangaroos (or whatever), but not kangaroo courts. |
People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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nblanton
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2024 : 04:32:24
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Originally posted by Azar
What do priests of Mystra feel when they visit Shadowdale?
Seems like they go and tidy up the weird pyramid shrine to Mystra that they built post-ToT.
According to the revised 2E box set, there are a handful of worshipers among the townsfolk, but it doesn’t seem like they are a particularly devoted bunch.
Mourngrym does seem to have a lot of problems with the Mystrans, he forbade them from building on the ruins of Sylune’s hut (no reason is given) which is why they stuck their weird pyramid behind Tymora’s temple.
As for “justice” what should we really expect when most civil matters are handled by the next random heavily armed gang that rolls into town and asking them to slaughter and loot whatever is the current problem. We should be lucky Mourngrym even bothered with a kangaroo court instead of his usual tactic of going to the Old Skull and getting whoever is armed and getting hammered to go discretely murder Adon and Midnight.
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 May 2024 : 07:03:48
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Originally posted by nblanton
We should be lucky Mourngrym even bothered with a kangaroo court instead of his usual tactic of going to the Old Skull and getting whoever is armed and getting hammered to go discretely murder Adon and Midnight.
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