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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 12 Dec 2022 : 20:40:57
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I was devestated when they ended to novel lines years ago.
Eventually RA Salvatore got them to bring back 1 Drizzt novel per year, but it's been a huge draught of novels till last year.
This year we got Glaciers Edge and a new Dragonlance novel.
Next year we're getting Warrior of Lolth (the 3rd book of the Way of the Drow trilogy), Dragons of Fate Dragonlance Novel, Druid's Call, Road to Neverwinter, and the novelization of the D&D movie Honor Among Thieves.
If this goes really well, could this trigger a renaissance in Forgotten Realms novels?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2022 : 23:51:06
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Probably not. WotC isn't interested in doing anything to support the setting, and the company has a long history of being weird about novels.
What you're listing is, in order:
another chance to put WotC's favorite cash cow out there,
a novel WotC lost (or gave up on) a lawsuit to get out of doing,
a movie tie-in ("MOICHANDIZING!" shouts Yogurt),
another movie tie-in,
and another movie tie-in (Yogurt continues to giggle in the background).
Part of the reason they're otherwise not allowing novels is because they want to make sure there is absolutely nothing that keeps them from following whatever whim occurs to them when they decide to write another adventure and drop in some token references to the setting. They can (and have!) stomped all over prior canon readily enough, but it's another thing to stomp on something they themselves has said is canon. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
216 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2022 : 18:12:49
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I have low expectations for the movie tie-in novels. I don't even think of them as proper Forgotten Realms novels, to be honest. My brain registers them as merchandise -- Wooly mentioned Yogurt from Spaceballs, which seems apt. These books might as well be FR-branded lunchboxes, as far as I'm concerned.
If they turn out to be good, then great. I'll enjoy reading them. But expecting anything as good as the previous novels is just getting your hopes up. |
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
USA
302 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2022 : 19:23:58
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The day of the D&D novel is long gone. In the late 80s, the Dragonlance line of books was still selling. So when the Realms came along, they thought why not add in some Realms novels too. They tossed a couple novels out there......and they sold, a lot. And through the '90s and '00s the books stayed strong. The seamless switch from 2e to 3e let the novels just keep being printed. They had no silly apocalypse to worry about, where an editor might say "you can't write about that place because it blew up, yuck yuck".
Though it was a vastly different time. There were a LOT more readers back in the Time Before Time. First off you had the huge base of fantasy fans that would buy "nearly any" fantasy novel. And more then one fantasy fan became a Realms fiction fan.
You also had the RPG players fan base. Tons of gamers read the Realms books, both as fantasy fans and people looking for more detail about the Realms. Over the years I alone got hundreds of people to read Realms books: you want to red about elves, start with the novel Elfshadow.
Though this was in the Time Before Time. The internet was...well, not quite there yet. Network TV and Cable was a wasteland. Video games were just starting to get a hold. And bookstores where Everywhere. And plenty of them bookstores had several racks of fantasy books. And when a new book came out you might even get a large display. So, a lot of people read books and novels.
Get to 2022, and video games, the internet and streaming is overwhelming. Few people have "time" to read. And the inflation does not help. Though the quality of most of the above has dropped a lot, that still does not seem like enough to draw people back to reading. However, it seems too many people that have been "on wifi" from birth can ever set the devices down.
Even if WotC would put out some good novels, few will even hear of them let alone see them. And with everything above, it won't sell all that well. Though even if it did, it would need to sell out fast to make big money and get noticed. And WotC would need to be ready to toss out several novels quickly to even start to build a fan base. And all the books would need to be quite good to keep the momentum going.
But that will take time. Time the typical 2022 company does not want to take.... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 Dec 2022 : 20:25:38
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| I don't think it has anything to do with available readers or that general readership is down, I think it's simply that WotC doesn't want to bother with the effort. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2022 : 15:09:12
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| Bloodtide does have a point. I find myself looking at the dragonlance book on my bed for the last 2 months and haven't even cracked the cover. Instead I'm playing stupid tablet games, watching streaming services, etc.... That being said, if there were some NON-movie or NON-drizzt novels to come out, I'd probably buy them just because. But, I'm also not the typical person. I will also add that Gary's prior statements are very spot on. I find myself less and less interested with what they're planning for Faerun and more interested in just developing for fun... kind of like what I did back when I was in my teens and there was no products out yet. I guess that's why I'm drawn to the areas of the world that have seen little to no development. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2022 : 15:56:09
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... Few people have "time" to read. And the inflation does not help ...
I admit that I'm reluctant to pay twenty bucks for a paperback novel. It's not a lot of money, really, but it is too much for a few hours of passive entertainment. Especially if you consume or collect a lot of books, the cost can add up quickly. And especially when (ugly truth be told), the majority of D&D fictions are not exceptionally interesting and memorable unless you have an avid passion for the lore.
I find the price even less justifiable with ebooks. Especially when they're digitally controlled and distributed in ways which break their compatibility with other devices, which actively "update" their content on a sporadic basis, or which simply deny the "owner" from accessing/reading them unless an ongoing subscription fee is paid. When I buy a book then I expect to own a book I can read any time, without any issues from licenses and compatibility and branding and squinting at a screen. I don't need to pay extra or obtain "permission" from the cloud or charge batteries to read paper books.
It's unfortunate that publishers have evolved into a small oligopoly with enough money and power to crush any startups and competitors who dare invade their turf. Twice as unfortunate that they've never really managed to outgrow their 19th century capitalist mindsets. The actual author of the book probably sees only pennies of that twenty dollar cover price.
To me, it's utterly comic/tragic that publishers pretend ebooks should cost as much as physical books. And just as comic/tragic that consumers happily agree. It's even worse when the books are only available in ebook formats, when physical copies don't even exist. |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2022 : 20:23:33
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
Get to 2022, and video games, the internet and streaming is overwhelming. Few people have "time" to read. And the inflation does not help. Though the quality of most of the above has dropped a lot, that still does not seem like enough to draw people back to reading. However, it seems too many people that have been "on wifi" from birth can ever set the devices down.
This made me curious, so I looked it up, and you appear to be right: according to the Academy of Arts & Sciences, Americans are reading less:
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As of 2017, Americans spent an average of almost 17 minutes per day reading for personal interest (as compared to almost three hours watching television and 28 minutes playing games and using computers for leisure). The average is down about five minutes since 2003.
In other words, the time Americans spend reading dropped 23% in 14 years. Holy moly! That should have been treated as a national crisis. The fact that it wasn't just leads me to believe that the decline has only continued since then. How sad. |
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
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302 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 00:25:45
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
You know it's bad when sensible people agree with the local troll
Nice insult. So do I get to insult you back now? Guess I'm a "troll" to you because what....I post stuff you don't like? What are the site rules for when someone makes a hateful and hurtful comment? Or does Gary get a free pass to be a jerk as he has all them stars by his name?
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Originally posted by HighOne
In other words, the time Americans spend reading dropped 23% in 14 years. Holy moly! That should have been treated as a national crisis. The fact that it wasn't just leads me to believe that the decline has only continued since then. How sad.
Well, I'm sure the results of the study were published somewhere......just nobody read it.
I see the lack of reading in kids. Back in the 90s at least half the kids read books for fun. And you could count on group discussions about both classic and modern books.
You had a bump from Harry Potter, Twilight and the Hunger Games (before the movies)....
Today..well, maybe a couple kids read. Most don't even touch a book unless 'forced to' by school.
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
2708 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 01:16:25
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| I think people have more time to read than they realize. People scroll on their phones or watch TV, then say they don't have time. Now, I am not including work and family obligations, as yes, those clearly take up time, and people can be quite busy. But it doesn't necessarily mean they don't have time to read, the time they do have is just taken up by other things (like TikTok and Netlflix). |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
556 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 02:36:57
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Originally posted by Gyor
I was devestated when they ended to novel lines years ago.
Eventually RA Salvatore got them to bring back 1 Drizzt novel per year, but it's been a huge draught of novels till last year.
This year we got Glaciers Edge and a new Dragonlance novel.
Next year we're getting Warrior of Lolth (the 3rd book of the Way of the Drow trilogy), Dragons of Fate Dragonlance Novel, Druid's Call, Road to Neverwinter, and the novelization of the D&D movie Honor Among Thieves.
If this goes really well, could this trigger a renaissance in Forgotten Realms novels?
I hope so. The novels are my only connection to the realms. I haavent played the game since the 2nd edition! I hope they bring back the Erevis Cale character.... |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 02:40:26
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
The day of the D&D novel is long gone. In the late 80s, the Dragonlance line of books was still selling. So when the Realms came along, they thought why not add in some Realms novels too. They tossed a couple novels out there......and they sold, a lot. And through the '90s and '00s the books stayed strong. The seamless switch from 2e to 3e let the novels just keep being printed. They had no silly apocalypse to worry about, where an editor might say "you can't write about that place because it blew up, yuck yuck".
Though it was a vastly different time. There were a LOT more readers back in the Time Before Time. First off you had the huge base of fantasy fans that would buy "nearly any" fantasy novel. And more then one fantasy fan became a Realms fiction fan.
You also had the RPG players fan base. Tons of gamers read the Realms books, both as fantasy fans and people looking for more detail about the Realms. Over the years I alone got hundreds of people to read Realms books: you want to red about elves, start with the novel Elfshadow.
Though this was in the Time Before Time. The internet was...well, not quite there yet. Network TV and Cable was a wasteland. Video games were just starting to get a hold. And bookstores where Everywhere. And plenty of them bookstores had several racks of fantasy books. And when a new book came out you might even get a large display. So, a lot of people read books and novels.
Get to 2022, and video games, the internet and streaming is overwhelming. Few people have "time" to read. And the inflation does not help. Though the quality of most of the above has dropped a lot, that still does not seem like enough to draw people back to reading. However, it seems too many people that have been "on wifi" from birth can ever set the devices down.
Even if WotC would put out some good novels, few will even hear of them let alone see them. And with everything above, it won't sell all that well. Though even if it did, it would need to sell out fast to make big money and get noticed. And WotC would need to be ready to toss out several novels quickly to even start to build a fan base. And all the books would need to be quite good to keep the momentum going.
But that will take time. Time the typical 2022 company does not want to take....
Sounds plausible but why doesn't it apply to RA Salvatore? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 03:33:58
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
You know it's bad when sensible people agree with the local troll
Nice insult. So do I get to insult you back now? Guess I'm a "troll" to you because what....I post stuff you don't like? What are the site rules for when someone makes a hateful and hurtful comment? Or does Gary get a free pass to be a jerk as he has all them stars by his name?
He was referred to by name in the previous post. I'm fairly certain he was referring to himself as a troll. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 03:36:52
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
The day of the D&D novel is long gone. In the late 80s, the Dragonlance line of books was still selling. So when the Realms came along, they thought why not add in some Realms novels too. They tossed a couple novels out there......and they sold, a lot. And through the '90s and '00s the books stayed strong. The seamless switch from 2e to 3e let the novels just keep being printed. They had no silly apocalypse to worry about, where an editor might say "you can't write about that place because it blew up, yuck yuck".
Though it was a vastly different time. There were a LOT more readers back in the Time Before Time. First off you had the huge base of fantasy fans that would buy "nearly any" fantasy novel. And more then one fantasy fan became a Realms fiction fan.
You also had the RPG players fan base. Tons of gamers read the Realms books, both as fantasy fans and people looking for more detail about the Realms. Over the years I alone got hundreds of people to read Realms books: you want to red about elves, start with the novel Elfshadow.
Though this was in the Time Before Time. The internet was...well, not quite there yet. Network TV and Cable was a wasteland. Video games were just starting to get a hold. And bookstores where Everywhere. And plenty of them bookstores had several racks of fantasy books. And when a new book came out you might even get a large display. So, a lot of people read books and novels.
Get to 2022, and video games, the internet and streaming is overwhelming. Few people have "time" to read. And the inflation does not help. Though the quality of most of the above has dropped a lot, that still does not seem like enough to draw people back to reading. However, it seems too many people that have been "on wifi" from birth can ever set the devices down.
Even if WotC would put out some good novels, few will even hear of them let alone see them. And with everything above, it won't sell all that well. Though even if it did, it would need to sell out fast to make big money and get noticed. And WotC would need to be ready to toss out several novels quickly to even start to build a fan base. And all the books would need to be quite good to keep the momentum going.
But that will take time. Time the typical 2022 company does not want to take....
Sounds plausible but why doesn't it apply to RA Salvatore?
Because Lord Ginsu is the cash cow they can't get enough of. They've made an action figure of him and slapped him on the cover of stuff he's not really a part of, for Lurue's sake.
WotC believes very firmly in beating a dead horse to the point that even Myrkul or Velsharoon couldn't animate it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 03:40:06
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I think people have more time to read than they realize. People scroll on their phones or watch TV, then say they don't have time. Now, I am not including work and family obligations, as yes, those clearly take up time, and people can be quite busy. But it doesn't necessarily mean they don't have time to read, the time they do have is just taken up by other things (like TikTok and Netlflix).
Also, I think those numbers are really skewed by the fact a lot of Americans don't read very much at all. For every avid reader with a TBR stack taller than them, who happily curls up with a book at the drop of a hat, there's a dozen or more Americans that can't be bothered to read anything longer than 140 characters. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 06:21:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Americans that can't be bothered to read anything longer than 140 characters.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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11830 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 16:41:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by bloodtide_the_red
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
You know it's bad when sensible people agree with the local troll
Nice insult. So do I get to insult you back now? Guess I'm a "troll" to you because what....I post stuff you don't like? What are the site rules for when someone makes a hateful and hurtful comment? Or does Gary get a free pass to be a jerk as he has all them stars by his name?
He was referred to by name in the previous post. I'm fairly certain he was referring to himself as a troll.
Yeah, that's the way I took it too (because I agreed with both of you). I am surprised though at me being called a sensible person  |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 16:48:58
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As a general rule if I'm taking the pee, it is only out of myself. It's an english thing.
If you can take a pee for other people, I must tell you that you have got a money making ability, and you should quickly monetize it. There are plenty of lazy non-english folk who would pay for the service.
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Dec 2022 : 21:07:52
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RA Salavtore is the exception. I think it's fair to say he is the most popular "D&D author and has crossed over into one of the most popular fantasy authors in general. It's why WotC still publishes a book a year from him: they know it will make lots of money.
Some crazy stuff might happen next year. Maybe WotC gets sold...seem unlikely, but could happen. Maybe we will see the break up of the huge companies. Just a couple companies own everything....and it shows. TV/streaming shows, movies and video games sure seem to be getting deeper in a rut. Even phone apps are fading. People are burned out by angry birds, candy crush and all. such things.
I've seen plenty of 30 somethings, burned out on the modern world, turn to books. I've helped a few myself. Get them started on the Dragonlance Trilogy, or the Crystal Shard. Even like 30 years after it was published people STILL read the Crystal Shard and then ask "hey, are there any more books about this drow character?" Lol..... |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 00:06:19
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| There are plenty of 9ther good books that aren't by RAS to recommend to those 30-somethings lol (speaking as a 30-something who is indeed burned out by the world and escapes into books). |
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sno4wy
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 06:57:51
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There are plenty of 9ther good books that aren't by RAS to recommend to those 30-somethings lol (speaking as a 30-something who is indeed burned out by the world and escapes into books).
Totally agree with this. I can understand someone re-reading stuff they enjoyed in their childhood for nostalgia, but a lot of adults I've met who do that with the Drizzt books question their childhood tastes and comprehension. I can also trust that any of my friends who have not read the Drizzt books, if I recommend that they do so now, they would give me major side-eye and question my tastes after doing so. :P
Yes, I do feel that the lowest common denominator effect is a big part of what keeps those books popular. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 15:34:11
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I wouldn't say the early books are bad or anything, myself. I recall enjoying them the last time I read them, though this has admittedly been quite some time ago (going on 15 years, at least).
My biggest issue, aside from the fact that I got bored with the character after 30+ books, has been that I don't find Drizzt's rejection of drow society to be written in a believable manner. He's born, he looks around, and then decides "Even though I have absolutely no basis for comparison, clearly, everything I have ever known is entirely wrong."
Liriel Baenre's rejection of drow society was far more plausible -- she was raised with a greater degree of isolation and freedom than Drizzt was, giving her a different baseline to compare things to. She also read books from the surface, giving her more information and letting her glimpse different ways of life. Even given all that, when she left Menzoberranzan, it wasn't because she rejected it, it was because she had little choice if she wanted to continue living life on her terms. It wasn't until she was away from drow society and had been for a while that she rejected it.
Liriel's story arc is simply better, in my opinion. |
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sno4wy
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 18:21:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wouldn't say the early books are bad or anything, myself. I recall enjoying them the last time I read them, though this has admittedly been quite some time ago (going on 15 years, at least).
I agree with this about the earlier books. However, there's a noticeable quality drop starting at around the Companions' reincarnation, with it plummeting dramatically after Timeless. The more recent releases feel like he's just pulling random shit out of his ass and throwing them on the page. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 18:28:24
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Originally posted by sno4wy
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wouldn't say the early books are bad or anything, myself. I recall enjoying them the last time I read them, though this has admittedly been quite some time ago (going on 15 years, at least).
I agree with this about the earlier books. However, there's a noticeable quality drop starting at around the Companions' reincarnation, with it plummeting dramatically after Timeless. The more recent releases feel like he's just pulling random shit out of his ass and throwing them on the page.
I've not read those books, so I've no opinion on them. I stopped after the Thousand Orcs books -- Drizzt's assumption, at the beginning, that his friends were dead, was simply too much for me. And after Drizzt had defeated the best Menzoberranzan had to throw at him, and even a marilith, seeing him fail to defeat Obould was similarly unrealistic, to me.
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 18:41:17
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I enjoyed the earlier books, myself. I would say the quality for me started to go down with Gauntlgrym, along with RAS himself started to leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Some things made me happy (the return of the Companions, Zak), but with each book release, I felt more dread than excitement.
Point being, if I were to get someone into the Realms (or fantasy in general), I would not recommend RAS, even if I did enjoy the earlier books. There are other, better books out there, both in the Realms and the wider fantasy genre. |
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sno4wy
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 18:45:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've not read those books, so I've no opinion on them. I stopped after the Thousand Orcs books -- Drizzt's assumption, at the beginning, that his friends were dead, was simply too much for me. And after Drizzt had defeated the best Menzoberranzan had to throw at him, and even a marilith, seeing him fail to defeat Obould was similarly unrealistic, to me.
But think of all the other unbelievable things you missed! How he literally came face to face with Lolth and resisted her, how he achieves true transcendence and is evenly matched with Kane after training as a monk for a few years, and how he exchanged blows with Ygorl's actual self without being vaporized instantly!  |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 20:36:28
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
As a general rule if I'm taking the pee, it is only out of myself. It's an english thing.
If you can take a pee for other people, I must tell you that you have got a money making ability, and you should quickly monetize it. There are plenty of lazy non-english folk who would pay for the service.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Dec 2022 : 20:59:07
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
Already gotcha covered. Check out Traveler's Boon in the Magic Shop. It takes care of solid and liquid bodily waste. There is also an improved version that takes care of several people in the area of effect.
It does seem like some of the first bits of minor magic an adventuring spellcaster would learn would be those concerning body wastes -- particularly the cleanup of such. And maybe not for others, but certainly for themselves. I know if I had a "toilet paper" or "bidet" cantrip, I'd be quick to use it. (Of course, the latter might be fun to use on some unexpecting and fully-clothed person!  ) |
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