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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 15 May 2004 : 09:01:38
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Here's an interesting snippet from EN World that is sure to generate some intriguing debate -
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Paizo Publishing Vice President Keith Strohm has posted the following information about upcoming changes to Dragon, Dungeon, and Polyhedron magazines:
The results of our efforts [to redesign the magazines based on customer feedback] will appear this August when we release the “new” Dragon (with issue #323) and Dungeon (with issue #114) magazines. By now, I’m sure you’ve read the cryptic hints left by the editors in response to letters, email, and forum responses. Rather than continue to tease you about what the future holds, I think it’s important to share with you some of the details of the “new” Dragon and Dungeon magazines—after all, you’ve helped shape what these two magazines have become:
The “New” Dragon
Starting with Issue #323, Dragon Magazine opens its pages to a new era of utility and excitement. In addition to its usual complement of material that provides D&D players with the tools they need to raise the level of their play experience, the new Dragon provides more information about all aspects of the D&D brand. Whether you knock down dungeon doors in the tabletop RPG, command warbands with the D&D Miniatures game, invade the Underdark online with your closest friends, or enjoy reading about the exploits of your favorite characters, the new Dragon is THE source for information about and content for Dungeons & Dragons. Also, starting with issue #323, the new Dragon presents a bonus quarterly catalog giving you the scoop on upcoming D&D releases from Wizards of the Coast, all gathered in one place.
And lest you think we’re skimping on RPG content, our plans for the new dragon include having articles that present new spells, feats, magic items, rules advice, player tactics, a single prestige class, a new PC race, and an ecology of a monster in every issue--something for everyone, no matter what character they play! With features like the new Class Acts—which provides content for each of the eleven Player’s Handbook classes—and Coup de Grace—the last word in gaming, this column lets you hear from the people behind every aspect of D&D, from designers and developers to members of the marketing team—Dragon continues its tradition of providing the best D&D RPG content to its readers.
The “New” Dungeon
Beginning with issue #114, Dungeon magazine becomes the ultimate resource for Dungeon Masters. Each issue will contain three adventures, one each for low-, medium-, and high-level play. So, no matter the experience level of your party, DUNGEON’S got you covered every single month. In addition to the high-quality adventures you’ve come to expect from the magazine, Dungeon will expand its offerings to include articles and other content written specifically to help DMs take their game to the next level. From old favorites like the ever-popular Dungeoncraft by Monte Cook, to new features like the Campaign Workbook—a section devoted to providing tools specifically designed to enhance a DM’s ability to create lively and adventurous campaigns—the “new” Dungeon offers experienced DMs and players interested in taking up the reigns of Dungeon Mastering everything they need to be successful.
In order to provide this in-depth offering, Dungeon will now focus exclusively on Dungeons & Dragons—delivering even more high-quality D&D coverage. We listened to your feedback, and it was clear that by trying to serve D&D fans, the d20 market, Star Wars fans, and the RPGA, our magazine wasn’t completely succeeding at delivering the highest quality experience for any of those groups. We know that many of you subscribed to Dungeon for the complete mini-games and articles about Star Wars d20 and D&D Modern. Unfortunately, there weren't enough of you to offset those who left the magazine due to the decrease in the D&D content each issue. The D&D players felt we weren't giving them enough D&D content, and the Polyhedron readers felt that we shorted the d20 stuff. For this reason, after careful thought and some soul searching, we’ve decided to end the long run of Polyhedron Magazine and focus on being the best resource for Dungeon Masters. Regular RPGA updates will transfer to Dragon magazine to reach the largest number of D&D gamers around the world, and we’ll continue to include RPGA Player Reward adventure codes for each Dungeon adventure. With Network material in both magazines, Dragon and Dungeon will support the RPGA like never before.
Finally, each issue of the magazine will feature Wil Save, a regular column of gaming observations penned by none other than Wil Wheaton of Star Trek: The Next Generation fame.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 09:07:50
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Well, these 'new' versions of Dragon and Dungeon should prove to me intresting none-the-less, if not helpful. New PC race hmmmm.... Have them introduce some more Planescape stuff, and we may just subscribe |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 09:25:41
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I think about the only things that'll interest me completely, are the Dragon focus on monster ecologies every issue (I always enjoyed those), and the inclusion of Star Wars d20 material in Dungeon.
Although, all this makes me think... A while ago WotC and Paizo reached an agreement that for the time being, both Dragon and Dungeon would have a certain amount of continual Eberron content in order to promote the setting. It's said to run for at least a year after the initial release in June.
Will Paizo have the room for all this focus on particular game aspects?
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 10:25:35
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| These seems to be good news (not getting my hopes up just yet though). I might check them in store from now on, but it's not enough to reclaim me as a subscriber (I dropped my subscription and demanded my money back after experiencing poor customer service and unacceptable delivery delays - 5 months after subscription I still had no issue, despite talking with customer service twice on the issue...) |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 10:32:15
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| Id be more impressed if they where going to Guarantee more FR material especially in Dungeon (We havent seen an FR module since 103) |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 14:51:59
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More from that thread:
Erik Mona:quote:
We'll continue to support the Living Greyhawk campaign in Dungeon with "Living Greyhawk Approved" articles similar to the City of Hardby we ran in #109. Dungeon #114 also has an adventure usable as an introduction to the LG campaign, set in the city of Greyhawk. Dungeons #117, 118, 119, and 120 will contain a massive four-part poster map of the World of Greyhawk similar to the FR map published in Dragon a couple years ago. Wolf Baur's got a module on tap set in the Land of Black Ice, and I've also got Sean Reynolds at work on a Greyhawk adventure. Greyhawk fans will have lots to like about the new Dungeon (as will Eberron and Forgotten Realms fans--lots of exciting stuff for those settings coming up as well).
Matthew Sernett: quote:
Through some calamitous misfortune, an old version of the press release was put out. The Dragon section was supposed to read as follows:
Starting with Issue #323, Dragon Magazine opens its pages to a new era of utility and excitement. In addition to its usual complement of material that provides D&D players with the tools they need to raise the level of their play experience, the new Dragon provides more information about all aspects of the D&D brand. Whether you knock down dungeon doors in the tabletop RPG, command warbands with the D&D Miniatures game, invade the Underdark online with your closest friends, or enjoy reading about the exploits of your favorite characters, the new Dragon is THE source for information about and content for Dungeons & Dragons. Also, starting with issue #323, the new Dragon presents a bonus quarterly catalog giving you the scoop on upcoming D&D releases from Wizards of the Coast, all gathered in one place.
And lest you think we’re skimping on RPG content, our plans for the new Dragon include having articles that present new spells, feats, magic items, rules advice, player tactics, a single prestige class, a new PC race, and an ecology of a monster in every issue--something for everyone, no matter what character they play! With features like the new Class Acts—which provides content for each of the eleven Player’s Handbook classes—and Coup de Grace—the last word in gaming, this column lets you hear from the people behind every aspect of D&D, from designers and developers to members of the marketing team—Dragon continues its tradition of providing the best D&D RPG content to its readers.
The will be no power creep.
Miniatures and computer games are not taking over the magazine.
In the average issue, just two articles will be devoted to miniatures and computer games. The notes about those topics above are there to show that the new Dragon is a funnel for all people interested in D&D to get into the RPG. In fact, that is one of the main goals we have for the magazine in the marketplace--to throw a wide net and help more people see why the D&D RPG is the greatest hobby out there (and by extension, increase sales of the magazine).
Matthew Sernett:quote:
Just to echo something Keith said in an earlier post: The letter doesn't describe all of the changes to Dragon. The regular articles that we plan to have in every issue of the new Dragon include plenty of flavor or "fluff." Each issue should have an ecology artilcle describing the culture and nature of a D&D monster, the Class Acts articles (not prestige classes) that offer roleplaying advice and new ideas for each core class, Player Tips article that help you have more fun by providing roleplaying and play advice, and the new PC race articles that will offer an in-depth veiw into a new monster for your D&D game (which just happens to be a playable PC race). Of course, we plan a more balanced flavor-crunch ratio in all articles, and the new features should include things of interest to you too.
We'd love it if you'd take a look at the first couple of issues and let us know what you think of the new format: what works and what doesn't. That goes for anyone who hasn't checked out Dragon in a while or who has been dissatisfied with what we've been doing. We made these changes to the magazines with our consumers desires in mind, and we want to hear from you about the new magazines.
Erik Mona:quote:
Well, insofar as I'm concerned, "Greyhawk" and "core D&D" are pretty much the same thing. If there's no reason _not_ to set an adventure in the core world, I'll put it there. We've got three Eberron adventures in the next five issues, and something really big planned for Eberron next year. There's a Realms adventure in #113 (which we're working on now), and I think it's a really good one. Ed Greenwood was good enough to supply some additional details on the city of Marsember, for which we're grateful. I've got it in mind to do a really special Forgotten Realms "event" next year, but I'm weighing a couple options for what that should be.
For the most part, generic D&D and Greyhawk adventures will be the same thing. This is fundamentally no different from how the magazine's been run since the advent of 3rd Edition, but since I'm blessed (cursed?) with an obsession with the campaign setting, I suspect the adventures will "fit" in a little better without becoming so "Greyhawky" that they'll be unusable by the average "home campaign setting" DM (which makes up, I believe, the bulk of our readers).
Since people have to convert the proper nouns in a "generic" adventure anyway, we might as well make those proper nouns usable to a large number of our readers.
Does that answer the question?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 15 May 2004 : 15:50:29
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Id be more impressed if they where going to Guarantee more FR material especially in Dungeon (We havent seen an FR module since 103)
Amen. I saw this yesterday and it got a shrug from me. Maybe I'll enjoy the changes if and when I get an issue that contains them. But, based on this news, I still won't pick up either magazine unless it has a Realms specific article like the current Dragon Magazine has in Richard Lee Byer's story. Prices like $36.95 and $44.00 aren't large amounts of money, but it is a sizeable amount to make me want to get more out of my subscription than two/three issues a year (for Dragon) in which I find something worth keeping. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 00:15:00
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Id be more impressed if they where going to Guarantee more FR material especially in Dungeon (We havent seen an FR module since 103)
Amen. I saw this yesterday and it got a shrug from me. Maybe I'll enjoy the changes if and when I get an issue that contains them. But, based on this news, I still won't pick up either magazine unless it has a Realms specific article like the current Dragon Magazine has in Richard Lee Byer's story. Prices like $36.95 and $44.00 aren't large amounts of money, but it is a sizeable amount to make me want to get more out of my subscription than two/three issues a year (for Dragon) in which I find something worth keeping.
Whats RBLs story about?
By the way which issue is the 2nd WOSQ article suppose to be in? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 02:48:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Whats RBLs story about?
Wouldn't that be RLB? Or did you get permission to call him RBL? Must be nice!
Anyway, per RBL or RLB's own thread, his story in the current issue of Eberron, I mean Dragon Magazine features a tie-in story to his current trilogy with Taegan as the central figure.
Now, I have seen this issue available online, but have yet to hear anyone discussing its contents and confirming the story is actually within this issue. I'm not doubting Mr. Byers' words, just recalling how editors of Dragon pushed Richard Baker's article featuring characters from WOTSQ back a couple of issues. Thus, I'll order after I have a visual confirmation from someone. Oh, I like how that sounds, so very cloak and dagger.
Speaking of WOTSQ...
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By the way which issue is the 2nd WOSQ article suppose to be in?
Actually, the second is already out as seen in Issue #312. It followed the first article which was in issue #302. I recall Richard Baker mentioning something about a third article. However, I don't recall any issue # being given. I want to say it wasn't going to be until closer to the final novel being released. I don't know why. Is there something else filling up Dragon Magazine pages lately that they can't find room for write ups of Realms characters from one of the best written novel series in quite awhile? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 03:46:31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Now, I have seen this issue available online, but have yet to hear anyone discussing its contents and confirming the story is actually within this issue. I'm not doubting Mr. Byers' words, just recalling how editors of Dragon pushed Richard Baker's article featuring characters from WOTSQ back a couple of issues. Thus, I'll order after I have a visual confirmation from someone. Oh, I like how that sounds, so very cloak and dagger.
It's in there. I got my issue earlier this week but have yet to read the story. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 04:13:15
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Originally posted by kuje31
It's in there. I got my issue earlier this week but have yet to read the story.
Big time thanks. I figured it probably was but wanted to hear something first before spending the $$. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 04:32:51
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I got excited when I first heard about this post but it didn't say anything about FR in Dragon (other than to confirm further FR content in Dungeon). I only buy Dragon if it's got a decent FR article. I'm selective about buying Dungeon with FR content as setting an adventure in FR doesn't necessarily mean that it's got FR content other than place names ... 
I'm actually not holding my breath for more FR content in Dragon. Eberron and Greyhawk will get the biggest slice of the pie and only Ed will likely get regular FR pieces published. Until I see otherwise, I won't be parting with my hard-earned cash.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 04:42:02
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How far Dragon and Dungeon have fallen...
It truly saddens me. To make a comparison:
What was the last use I made of the first issue I ever bought of Dragon? I'm using it(#259's Designer Demesnes article) right now, to get some guidelines set for a homebrewed setting I'm creating for a campaign.
What was the last use I made of the most recent issue of Dragon I've bought? I never did. It looked interesting when reading through the cover copy, but what interested me wasn't well written at all.
It's saddening that it's unusual that someone bothered to check with Ed for lore on Marsember.
It's saddening that Dragon is turning all its monthly columns into pieces of crunch I will never use-I'm not buying the fluff line.
It's saddening to see now that the "quarterly release update" is something that is apparently special-anyone remember the days when there were 5-10 pages devoted to this in every magazine?
It's saddening that we need two columns devoted to roleplaying your character.
It's saddening that columnist qualifications have dropped to the point where a barely C-list celebrity(if that) is qualified to write for Dungeon.
WotC has nearly completely lost my faith. I'm seriously thinking of jumping ship when World of Darkness 2 is released-just to be with a company that does pay attention to what interests me.
Paizo, to say it plainly, disgusts me.
I looked at a copy of Dungeon #111 today. I didn't buy it. I didn't see any reason to. I have a copy of Dungeon #108. I didn't buy it. It was a gift. I haven't said anything to the person who gave it to me out of politeness, and for that reason only. It sits on my pile of things to burn the next time I feel like burning something. I won't get any use out of it.
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Chyron
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 14:13:20
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I have to agree with Arivia it’s truly sad the state of which Dragon is going, but it is reflective of the D&D line in general so I guess we can’t really expect much.
Personally it sounds to me like they should change the name from “Dragon” to Captain Crunch  , but there might be some copyright issues….
I never expected Dungeon to get any better…. but if I take a liking to Ebberon the initial copies may be ok….but regardless it will never be FR. Just consider it will take at least 2 decades worth of products and novels to even try and catch-up to the realms.
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Faraer
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 15:17:51
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From what we're told, the 'new' Dragon will continue the current direction of catering to players (powergamers included but not exclusively). I note that on the ENWorld thread there isn't a trace of acknowledgement that targeting RPG books and magazines to players is relatively new and of questionable influence on the medium. No sign I'll like Dragon more (or find it more 'useful'), at any rate.
Erik Mona's comment 'Since people have to convert the proper nouns in a "generic" adventure anyway, we might as well make those proper nouns usable to a large number of our readers' is a point I've made before -- "Elminster's Guide to the Realms", say, is no less adaptable to other worlds than locations set in unnamed worlds whose context is unknown. Superficially Greyhawking submitted no-stated-world adventures is basically what happened in 1979-1981 with A1-4, C1-2, I1, N1, and S2. As George says, superficially Realms-set scenarios aren't interesting Realmswise, just like the Forgotten Realms Book of Lairs, FA2 Nightmare Keep, etc.
Erik, for those that don't know, was a big champion of the World of Greyhawk in the mid-1990s when TSR wasn't publishing it, and his love of that world has given us the Living Greyhawk Journal and Dungeon #112 will have a Greyhawk module by Rob Kuntz himself. Maybe the distaste for the Realms he used to have will win out, but maybe he'll have the sympathetic imagination to see that the Realms deserves good outlets too. Maybe we'll even see Ed's lost "Everwinking Eye" articles, P-Z of the Border Kingdoms, which are now in the magazine's remit again.
So for Dungeon let's wait and see, and those like George with articles to submit might try an email query to Erik. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 17:11:47
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Originally posted by Chyron
I have to agree with Arivia it’s truly sad the state of which Dragon is going, but it is reflective of the D&D line in general so I guess we can’t really expect much.
An excellent point Chyron and again, if this is what sells issues for them, I can't blame them for going in that direction.
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Personally it sounds to me like they should change the name from “Dragon” to Captain Crunch , but there might be some copyright issues….
LOL! Now that was a great line.
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I never expected Dungeon to get any better…. but if I take a liking to Ebberon the initial copies may be ok….but regardless it will never be FR. Just consider it will take at least 2 decades worth of products and novels to even try and catch-up to the realms.
Ah Eberron novels....therein lies one of the things I'm most curious to see this summer or is it fall when these novels start to be released. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 16 May 2004 : 17:16:18
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For those interested, the new "In the Works" Column features some information on the current issue of Dragon Magazine:
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This thing should be hitting mailboxes and store shelves any time now. Dragon Magazine #320 is a special "30 Years of D&D" issue that features (among many other things, including that last "Countdown to Eberron" article about dragonmarks and dragonshards) a huge (I think it's going to be about 14 pages long) story about the history of the past three decades of the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game. Divided up into easy-to-swallow five-year chunks (per two-page spread), the article guides you along the significant events, products, and innovations associated with the game -- along with some of the more interesting incarnations of pop culture references, licensed products, and other "D&D stuff." Several people who played important roles in D&D past and present contributed commentary and observations about their experiences with the game that are broken up into sidebars scattered throughout the piece. At the end of the article, you'll get a first glimpse at the new Dungeons & Dragons Basic Game and a quick peek at Thirty Years of Adventure: A Celebration of Dungeons & Dragons -- the 352-page coffee table book coming out this fall.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20040516a
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 06:15:45
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I must say that I am extremely angered with reading about these changes. I know the content in both magazines hasn't been at it's best for some time now, but rather than attempting to fix that problem Paizo seems more interested in making it worse. It is most distressing news. It's even more distressing when you've spent the last few weeks recuperating from injuries and, when you finally decide to visit one of your favorite places on the web...this is what you first read...
I think my subscription to Dragon will be end with issue #320  .
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 06:31:06
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I must say that I am extremely angered with reading about these changes. I know the content in both magazines hasn't been at it's best for some time now, but rather than attempting to fix that problem Paizo seems more interested in making it worse. It is most distressing news. It's even more distressing when you've spent the last few weeks recuperating from injuries and, when you finally decide to visit one of your favorite places on the web...this is what you first read...
I think my subscription to Dragon will be end with issue #320 .
Lady K! Welcome back! 
Back on topic... Yeah, this new formula doesn't seem like a good one... Hopefully there will be enough reader complaints to make them change back fairly quickly. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 06:46:20
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Agreed... and thank you 
I'm sure I am going to be clobbered across the back of the head for saying this, but I hope that there is still going to be some substantial Eberron content in the "new" Dragon. The Eberron setting will probably be my first DM attempt (outside of the Realms of course, which I still have yet to try  ), at least that's what I'm hoping. So, the more information that WotC publishes to support the setting (especially in such outlets like the Dragon) just might be enough reason for me to consider purchasing a issue that interests me here and there as time goes on.
Okay, I'm waiting for those of you carrying bats and clubs...
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 06:49:53
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I'm sure I am going to be clobbered across the back of the head for saying this, but I hope that there is still going to be some substantial Eberron content in the "new" Dragon. The Eberron setting will probably be my first DM attempt (outside of the Realms of course, which I still have yet to try ), at least that's what I'm hoping. So, the more information that WotC publishes to support the setting (especially in such outlets like the Dragon) just might be enough reason for me to consider purchasing a issue that interests me here and there as time goes on.
Okay, I'm waiting for those of you carrying bats and clubs...
DIE HERETIC!!!!
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 07:44:18
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I'm sure I am going to be clobbered across the back of the head for saying this, but I hope that there is still going to be some substantial Eberron content in the "new" Dragon. The Eberron setting will probably be my first DM attempt (outside of the Realms of course, which I still have yet to try ), at least that's what I'm hoping. So, the more information that WotC publishes to support the setting (especially in such outlets like the Dragon) just might be enough reason for me to consider purchasing a issue that interests me here and there as time goes on.
Okay, I'm waiting for those of you carrying bats and clubs...
DIE HERETIC!!!!
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2004 : 14:48:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, this new formula doesn't seem like a good one... Hopefully there will be enough reader complaints to make them change back fairly quickly.
Even if they move with above average speed to respond and do a go back, won't at least 3/4 issues be filled with these changes. That's a substantial portion for someone who has a simple year subscription. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 May 2004 : 10:24:21
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I got excited when I first heard about this post but it didn't say anything about FR in Dragon (other than to confirm further FR content in Dungeon). I only buy Dragon if it's got a decent FR article. I'm selective about buying Dungeon with FR content as setting an adventure in FR doesn't necessarily mean that it's got FR content other than place names ...
I'm actually not holding my breath for more FR content in Dragon. Eberron and Greyhawk will get the biggest slice of the pie and only Ed will likely get regular FR pieces published. Until I see otherwise, I won't be parting with my hard-earned cash.
-- George Krashos
You've pretty much summed up how I feel about these changes George.
Although, I've hesitated many times when it comes to buying Dungeon when there are FR adventures contained within it's pages. As others have said elsewhere, the Realms adventures that Dungeon contains are usually of a very generic nature with only a little Realms flavor added just so the Forgotten Realms label can be added to the adventure. It's been disappointing reading through those adventures, and the result has seen my subscription to the magazine cancelled. And looking over what's coming, that's unlikely to change.
Dragon is a slightly different story. I'll only purchase an issue if there is more than one article on rules and/or fluff (that's rare though mind you ), and then only if it is to do with the Realms. The Greyhawk material that is included as part of the 'Living Greyhawk' campaign very rarely interests me because so much of my Greylore is based off of the original working by Gygax.
With the coming of Eberron, I may purchase one or two issues that have support material, but that is only after I have purchased the main CS tome.
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Dargoth
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Well apparently we'll be getting a FR module in issue 113 (they even consulted Ed on it, I also noticed that Erik Mona mentioned doing something big for the FR next year
*I wonder if Erik read my thread on Candlekeep requesting a FR module involving the Events in the Year of Rogue Dragons.... Waves at Erik* |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 04:53:53
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Well apparently we'll be getting a FR module in issue 113 (they even consulted Ed on it, I also noticed that Erik Mona mentioned doing something big for the FR next year
Where did you hear this news?
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Dargoth
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 04:58:28
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Well apparently we'll be getting a FR module in issue 113 (they even consulted Ed on it, I also noticed that Erik Mona mentioned doing something big for the FR next year
Where did you hear this news?
"Well, insofar as I'm concerned, "Greyhawk" and "core D&D" are pretty much the same thing. If there's no reason _not_ to set an adventure in the core world, I'll put it there. We've got three Eberron adventures in the next five issues, and something really big planned for Eberron next year. There's a Realms adventure in #113 (which we're working on now), and I think it's a really good one. Ed Greenwood was good enough to supply some additional details on the city of Marsember, for which we're grateful. I've got it in mind to do a really special Forgotten Realms "event" next year, but I'm weighing a couple options for what that should be."
Its on th ENworld site and Faraer quaoted it in this thread
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 05:01:14
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Its on th ENworld site and Faraer quaoted it in this thread
Totally missed it. Thanks Dargoth for pointing it out and being patient. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 06:29:39
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 May 2004 : 07:06:58
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What are you talking about Dargoth?
I take it this thread is redundent, now that youve reponded to my other thread? |
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The 'New' Dragon and Dungeon Magazines
