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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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 Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 03:24:51
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A small review of the errata:
Curse of Strahd: Mostly changes to some problematic language, and making it so Ezmerelda is no longer weirdly ashamed of her prosthetic. A few fixes to monster stats, but no major gameplay tweaks.
Dungeon Master’s Guide: Again, largely changes to some problematic language (including dialing back some of the darker or more adult elements that many tables might not be comfortable with), but also moving towards acultural races, which we've seen in Strixhaven, Fizban's, & Witchlight (told y'all). Also, player races no longer have suggested alignment.
Player’s Handbook: Again, removing suggested alignments from all races, but also changing the Drow entry to reflect that Drow are not the same across settings, and that Lolth worship isn't universal in Drow societies. Also there's no longer an entire text box dedicated to telling you how EVIL the drow are and how you're playing one of the "Good Ones". Also they tweaked the layout of the find familiar spell to help it read better.
Storm King’s Thunder: Zephyros, Klauth, Claug-something, Turlang, Storvald, Sansuri, Slarkrethel, and all other spellcasters now use the Spellcasting action as opposed to spell slots. Uthgardt shamans have been tweaked slightly to make them a bit more balanced. The word "Barbarian" has been replaced by other terms in most places, likely to avoid confusion with the Class. Wandering orcs are no longer automatically hostile, and in many cases simply looking for a new home (as detailed in a tweaked sidebar).
Sword Coast Adventurer’s Guide: KEEN SENSES FOR HALF-ELVES IS GONE. Clarifications for Radiant Sun Bolt and Rakish Audacity, and Booming Blade and Green Flame Blade have been changed to their Tasha's versions.
Tales from the Yawning Portal: Slight tweaks, and a Ring of Fire Resistance has been changed to a Ring of Protection. All-Tiefling parties rejoice.
Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything: Updating wordings to accommodate the changes coming to Races (also clarifying that you can't take racial feats as a custom lineage). Some minor tweaks and fixes, Creation Bards can no longer animate their enemies armor (you shouldn't have been able to do that in the first place, calm down), the new weapon feats have been added to the builds for Battlemasters, and Weapon Master has been removed from all builds. Y'all can breathe easy now, the evil has been defeated. Eldritch Adept now lets you use any mental ability score as your spellcasting ability.
Tomb of Annihilation: Mad Monkey Fever has been replaced with Blue Mist Fever. And I can see why.
Volo’s Guide to Monsters: Probably the biggest batch of changes, it is explicitly stated that the words in this book are the thoughts of one dude from one part of the multiverse, and the lore is limited mostly to the forgotten realms. Some lore sections have been removed entirely (again, largely the darker stuff not suitable for every table), as have alignments for player races. Any time the book makes suggestions in terms of personality traits it clarifies that these are possible suggestions and you're free to do whatever.
(credit to some redditor for the compilation)
https://dnd.wizards.com/dndstudioblog/sage-advice-book-updates
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 05:19:05
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Volo’s Guide to Monsters: Probably the biggest batch of changes, it is explicitly stated that the words in this book are the thoughts of one dude from one part of the multiverse, and the lore is limited mostly to the forgotten realms.
"It's only canon if we wrote it, and even then, it's not canon if we change our minds later." |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 18:41:23
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| Whole pages of lore have been removed from digital copies of Volo's Guide to Monsters without the buyers' permission. This isn't errata, it's book-burning. Didn't Amazon get in trouble for this sort of Orwellian nonsense a few years ago? |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
2476 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 19:56:01
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| I'm pretty sure the number of people happy with this development is enough that Amazon will have no problem this time. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4441 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 20:26:24
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Significant parts of this errata were simply cosmetic changes and updates to rules that have been fixed from other books. Really, what struck out at me as kinda awesome were:
• Shield Master [Feat] - You now don't have to be within 5-ft. for this feat to take effect, allowing players with Reach weapons to benefit from the feat too. Kinda awesome now and works like I feel it's always been intended. Reach really gets a bit buff here.
• Polearm Master [Feat] - Yay! Now it's official that you get to use the attack stat you did for the bonus "butt-end" attack. This should hopefully quell any issues at tables who were complaining about whether or not you use your "Strength" or say, Intelligence from the Artificer or Charisma from the Warlock (assumeing their features work with polearms?).
Nothing else really stood out to me as "Whoa, that's a major change!" At first I was worried they messed with the Paladin's Improved Divine Smite by removing the last line, but all that did was make clear that you get the 1d8, smite or no smite rather than an "additional" 1d8 on top. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 20:35:22
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Originally posted by HighOne
Whole pages of lore have been removed from digital copies of Volo's Guide to Monsters without the buyers' permission. This isn't errata, it's book-burning. Didn't Amazon get in trouble for this sort of Orwellian nonsense a few years ago?
There were, as I recall, issues with the way Amazon did it...
But one thing you have to keep in mind: electronic copies of files, whether it's an ebook, a movie, software that you dropped a grand on -- you don't own it. You're paying for the right to use a copy, and the owner is retaining the right to change that copy or even tell you you can't use it any more.
I'm not saying it's right; I find it highly objectionable, myself. But it's a common thing in today's digital world: you're essentially renting things, not buying them, and the EULAs/Terms & Conditions that no one ever reads give the companies the right to utterly leave you hanging with absolutely no recourse. |
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 23:27:08
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I suspect you're right, Wooly, based on what I know about the issue; consumers have little to no protection in this area. But if there's enough of a backlash, then companies sometimes reverse direction and apology. Based on what I've seen on Reddit, I think there's a chance that that could actually happen; otherwise Wizards stands to lose a number of customers over this. I guess it just depends on how costly that loss is compared to the gain.
To really get a sense of what's going on here, by the way, you need to see all the lore removed from Volo's Guide. Someone on Reddit compiled it here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/rg4jut/writeup_of_all_the_lore_thats_beein_removed_from
Remember, this is information being removed from the book, not revised. |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
2476 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2021 : 23:42:01
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| I can understand why they removed the fire giants, orcs and yuan-ti bits. I find myself baffled they removed the rest... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 00:24:41
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Originally posted by Diffan
Significant parts of this errata were simply cosmetic changes and updates to rules that have been fixed from other books. Really, what struck out at me as kinda awesome were:
• Shield Master [Feat] - You now don't have to be within 5-ft. for this feat to take effect, allowing players with Reach weapons to benefit from the feat too. Kinda awesome now and works like I feel it's always been intended. Reach really gets a bit buff here.
• Polearm Master [Feat] - Yay! Now it's official that you get to use the attack stat you did for the bonus "butt-end" attack. This should hopefully quell any issues at tables who were complaining about whether or not you use your "Strength" or say, Intelligence from the Artificer or Charisma from the Warlock (assumeing their features work with polearms?).
Nothing else really stood out to me as "Whoa, that's a major change!" At first I was worried they messed with the Paladin's Improved Divine Smite by removing the last line, but all that did was make clear that you get the 1d8, smite or no smite rather than an "additional" 1d8 on top.
Polearm master also works with spear now, which I was wanting to give some artificers the ability to add the polearm mastery feat to a spear that they make, so that works for me.
Sentinel also works with a reach weapon if someone tries to disengage... so they might never get to close with you, but you still get an attack if they try to flee and they're in your reach.
I don't see anything about shield master??? Where's that?
Also the clone spell... already bad... was just made worse. Guess people will be cloning ancient dragons, beholders, etc.... granted you may have to have a huge swimming pool to grow the ancient dragon in, but in just four months, you too can own one by just using a one inch cube of flesh from one. Hmmm, if you harvest components from a dragon's clone..... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 02:04:34
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
I can understand why they removed the fire giants, orcs and yuan-ti bits. I find myself baffled they removed the rest...
They left the stuff I find most problematic, like hyenas transforming into gnolls if they eat the same food or beholders dreaming other beholders into existence. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 02:39:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by HighOne
Whole pages of lore have been removed from digital copies of Volo's Guide to Monsters without the buyers' permission. This isn't errata, it's book-burning. Didn't Amazon get in trouble for this sort of Orwellian nonsense a few years ago?
There were, as I recall, issues with the way Amazon did it...
But one thing you have to keep in mind: electronic copies of files, whether it's an ebook, a movie, software that you dropped a grand on -- you don't own it. You're paying for the right to use a copy, and the owner is retaining the right to change that copy or even tell you you can't use it any more.
I'm not saying it's right; I find it highly objectionable, myself. But it's a common thing in today's digital world: you're essentially renting things, not buying them, and the EULAs/Terms & Conditions that no one ever reads give the companies the right to utterly leave you hanging with absolutely no recourse.
There are ways to archive your purchases so that your collections remain "intact". It's the first thing I do with any purchase of software, ebooks, etc - I know the version I bought works, I know what it contains, I'm disinterested in losing that version whenever the author(s) decide to change, revise, retcon, or otherwise "update" things.
It's still a legal and ethical grey area. Some publishers (especially those who are territorially knee-jerky and not particularly tech-savvy, like Wizbro) will immediately and automatically accuse you of piracy for choosing to use your product their product in ways beyond their knowledge or control.
I'm of the opinion that it's not piracy if you actually paid for it, you are legally entitled to "own" a copy, you enjoy it privately, you aren't distributing to others.
But, of course, I don't write laws, lol. |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
2476 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 02:58:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
I can understand why they removed the fire giants, orcs and yuan-ti bits. I find myself baffled they removed the rest...
They left the stuff I find most problematic, like hyenas transforming into gnolls if they eat the same food or beholders dreaming other beholders into existence.
Most people consider the "dream Beholder" to be cool, lol. And the stuff I dislike about traditional D&D orcs is still there. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 05:20:58
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Originally posted by Ayrik
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by HighOne
Whole pages of lore have been removed from digital copies of Volo's Guide to Monsters without the buyers' permission. This isn't errata, it's book-burning. Didn't Amazon get in trouble for this sort of Orwellian nonsense a few years ago?
There were, as I recall, issues with the way Amazon did it...
But one thing you have to keep in mind: electronic copies of files, whether it's an ebook, a movie, software that you dropped a grand on -- you don't own it. You're paying for the right to use a copy, and the owner is retaining the right to change that copy or even tell you you can't use it any more.
I'm not saying it's right; I find it highly objectionable, myself. But it's a common thing in today's digital world: you're essentially renting things, not buying them, and the EULAs/Terms & Conditions that no one ever reads give the companies the right to utterly leave you hanging with absolutely no recourse.
There are ways to archive your purchases so that your collections remain "intact". It's the first thing I do with any purchase of software, ebooks, etc - I know the version I bought works, I know what it contains, I'm disinterested in losing that version whenever the author(s) decide to change, revise, retcon, or otherwise "update" things.
It's still a legal and ethical grey area. Some publishers (especially those who are territorially knee-jerky and not particularly tech-savvy, like Wizbro) will immediately and automatically accuse you of piracy for choosing to use your product their product in ways beyond their knowledge or control.
I'm of the opinion that it's not piracy if you actually paid for it, you are legally entitled to "own" a copy, you enjoy it privately, you aren't distributing to others.
But, of course, I don't write laws, lol.
That's not always an option, though -- if the provider retains full control over the copy and doesn't let you download it, you're at the mercy of whatever they decide to do.
I'm not sure, not having any digital 5E books, but I'm fairly certain that WotC has it set up like that, where you don't get a local copy of the book. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 05:36:30
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Most people consider the "dream Beholder" to be cool, lol. And the stuff I dislike about traditional D&D orcs is still there.
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I'm pretty sure the number of people happy with this development is enough that Amazon will have no problem this time.
You tend to say "most people do X" in a lot of threads, but I'd really like to know where you get the data.
If you're talking from the feeling that you get in certain circles, then every circle is different, and the perspective of a person that tends to interact with certain groups will be very different from the perspective of a person who interacts with other groups. People who dislike this stuff are fairly likely tell you that most people don't like the changes.
But I mean, if the change is indeed controversial and there are a lot of dicussions about it, my first guess would be that the audience is roughly evenly split on this matter. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 05:43:27
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Originally posted by HighOne
Whole pages of lore have been removed from digital copies of Volo's Guide to Monsters without the buyers' permission. This isn't errata, it's book-burning. Didn't Amazon get in trouble for this sort of Orwellian nonsense a few years ago?
Lol, this time they really went the "WE WILL COME TO YOU AND BURN YOUR BOOKS" route. |
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Scots Dragon
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 11:33:06
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I'd be a little more concerned about this if Volo's Guide to Monsters didn't suck. My main concern is them trying to act like they didn't initially write up some utterly horrible garbage to begin with, and this errata is basically just a bandage put on a missing limb.
They should just have published a new book from an alternative perspective and included a sidebar about much of the information superceding that of Volo's Guide. |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 14:57:02
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They are going to do that. Monsters of the Multiverse is scheduled for 2024, and it seems they're using Mordenkainen as the narrator this time. They want to cater to their new buyer base, however. This errata seems to be geared for them.
However, to me it feels something like "hey, we are the good guys. See? We erased that bad stuff you were upset with!".
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You tend to say "most people do X" in a lot of threads, but I'd really like to know where you get the data.
Yeah, it's mostly for the feeling some circles have. And also because 5e is still selling books like hot cakes... |
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TKU
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 17:17:43
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Seems like it's got a lot of people riled up on Reddit at the moment. Can't say I blame them, but it many ways this seems like a natural extension of their statement on 'canon' a while back. When WotC is pitch to you that lore and history are barriers to your enjoyment of the settings, and that they are actually doing you a favor by ignoring canon because 'everyone homebrews to an extent anyways' It isn't that shocking that they might turn around and toss a bunch of it right into the dustbin.
Anyways, a lot of it seems to be subtractive rather than changes or additions, so no wonder that's gotten under some people's skin, just by the merits of basic math, since it leaves them with less than they had a week ago.
The drow stuff seems to have been changed notably though, in line with what direction we know they are taking them, although there's some stuff about other elves as well.
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A notable change in the errata docs above is the revised text for drow in the Player’s Handbook:
As a drow, you are infused with the magic of the Underdark, an underground realm of wonders and horrors rarely seen on the surface above. You are at home in shadows and, thanks to your innate magic, learn to conjure forth both light and darkness. Your kin tend to have stark white hair and grayish skin of many hues.
The cult of the god Lolth, Queen of Spiders, has corrupted some of the oldest drow cities, especially in the worlds of Oerth and Toril. Eberron, Krynn, and other realms have escaped the cult’s influence—for now. Wherever the cult lurks, drow heroes stand on the front lines in the war against it, seeking to sunder Lolth’s web.
This new text replaces a description that confused the culture of Menzoberranzan—a city in the grip of Lolth’s cult in the Forgotten Realms—with drow themselves. The new text more accurately describes the place of drow in the D&D multiverse and correctly situates them among the other branches of the elf family, each of which was shaped by an environment in the earliest days of the multiverse: forests (wood elves), places of ancient magic on the Material Plane (high elves), oceans (sea elves), the Feywild (eladrin), the Shadowfell (shadar-kai), and the Underdark (drow). Drow are united by an ancestral connection to the Underdark, not by worship of Lolth—a god some of them have never heard of.
So some things to take away:
Drow are officially grey-skinned now. The original passage IIRC mentioned them as black-skinned, so this seems like a deliberate choice that tracks with their recent art direction with the drow.
Further emphasis on Lolth's followers being small in numbers, a minority even. Note that current language about them always refers to it as a cult. It has taken over 'some' drow cities (note that they are talking about Oerth and Toril together here) There is apparently no shortage of good drow on the 'front lines' to combat them wherever they might pop up though. Apparently this means that Oerth has a sizeable population of good, lolth-fighting drow as well, which seems...new...to me.
Elven varieties are all linked to some specific environment dating back to the formative times of the multiverse. This feels weird to me because it seems like it's encouraging that racial pidegonholing that they have been supposedly trying to avoid. Wood Elves liking the woods more than Sun Elves isn't cultural, apparently.
And drow were and are apparently fundamentally linked to the Underdark from their primordial creation? So did they always live in caves or what? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 18:48:39
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I'm glad to know that Krynn's drow aren't under Lolth's influence. Very good of WotC to make a point of clarifying that that the drow that don't exist on a particular world also don't worship Lolth. 
Drow that aren't black-skinned isn't a recent art thing. WotC has a history of not bothering to make sure artists depict what they're supposed to be depicting, so drow skintones have been all over the place. They went away from the "all of them have black skin" thing in 3E, and explicitly cited the repeated failures of artists to do black skin as the reason. Apparently, truly black skin is just too difficult to do in art, despite the fact that some artists had done it.
Everything else there is a huge bunch of retcons that I'm just going to ignore. I've no issue with lessening Lolth's influence, but simply hand-waving away decades of lore -- some of it from their best-selling author -- is not the right approach. |
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TKU
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 19:13:29
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Yeah the Krynn thing raised an eyebrow from me, but I haven't read all the Dragonlance books so had to conclude that maybe drow were mentioned somewhere I didn't see.
In regards to the art direction thing, I'm aware about the variety of hues they have had in the past, that a lot of artists chose to not go with a strict interpretation of their skin color, since it turned out...variable quality pieces when strictly adhered to. But there was a thread on another forum (EN world, I think) where it was pointed out that there seemed to be some sort of unannounced change in the art direction for drow, sometime around MToF, IIRC where drow stopped being depicted with black skin at all, and a trend towards drow depicted as 'light grey' skinned.
I didn't really mind drow having a range of skin colors before in the art, but their original canon skin color being seemingly officially removed entirely sits uneasily with me. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 19:14:22
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
However, to me it feels something like "hey, we are the good guys. See? We erased that bad stuff you were upset with!".
Because it is. It's just PR in the hopes that people forget that they were the ones to relentlessly force toxic crap into their material. All this stuff happened because the WotC designers caved to some weird, dogged bias that they had about what XYZ should be, rather than shooting for quality and nuance/credibility. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 19:51:18
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So not all Forgotten Realms Drow are Drow because of the powerful Greater God that transformed them for being evil and pushing them underground?
So they are saying that the Elven High God made a mistake and punished them all even though a bunch of them were good?
So, really, said God was somewhat evil for doing what he did?
I'm confused. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 20:04:06
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Well, that was the actual Forgotten Realms lore, though maybe you were sarcastic and I didn't detect it.
What they're saying is that the drow always liked caves, and some of them decided to follow Lolth, though only a minority. No Corellon involved here. |
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AuldDragon
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Dec 2021 : 20:40:25
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm glad to know that Krynn's drow aren't under Lolth's influence. Very good of WotC to make a point of clarifying that that the drow that don't exist on a particular world also don't worship Lolth.
Funny thing is, there ARE drow on Krynn (and not just the published mistakes of people assuming Krynnish "dark elves" are drow): DLS4 Wild Elves includes drow who crashed on Krynn from a Spelljamming vessel, and worship a very spidery "daughter of Takhisis."
To be fair, it's one of the more maligned Dragonlance products. :)
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of an editor just listing a bunch of worlds they may not know much about.
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Scots Dragon
Seeker
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 01:06:27
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Originally posted by AuldDragon
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm glad to know that Krynn's drow aren't under Lolth's influence. Very good of WotC to make a point of clarifying that that the drow that don't exist on a particular world also don't worship Lolth.
Funny thing is, there ARE drow on Krynn (and not just the published mistakes of people assuming Krynnish "dark elves" are drow): DLS4 Wild Elves includes drow who crashed on Krynn from a Spelljamming vessel, and worship a very spidery "daughter of Takhisis."
To be fair, it's one of the more maligned Dragonlance products. :)
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of an editor just listing a bunch of worlds they may not know much about.
Jeff
There's another one in one of the books focused on Raistlin as a foe he has to overcome during his test to become a Wizard of High Sorcery. |
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Eldacar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 01:07:20
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Sword Coast Adventurer’s Guide: KEEN SENSES FOR HALF-ELVES IS GONE.
That is a fairly major nerf to the race.
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Tomb of Annihilation: Mad Monkey Fever has been replaced with Blue Mist Fever. And I can see why.
Didn’t even know that was a thing.
Mostly these changes just seem to be somewhat predictably bizarre, or at least bizarrely predictable and in line with WotC’s current path. I’m largely unimpressed, but at least I won’t have entire chunks of lore (whether good or bad) ripped out of my books like some people suffering from digital purchases. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 02:25:44
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Tomb of Annihilation: Mad Monkey Fever has been replaced with Blue Mist Fever. And I can see why.
Didn’t even know that was a thing.
I had to do some online searching to understand the "why". Urban Dictionary provided some juvenile yet enlightening summaries of "why" the original term could be misunderstood or perceived as inappropriate. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 02:32:04
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I'm glad to know that Krynn's drow aren't under Lolth's influence. Very good of WotC to make a point of clarifying that that the drow that don't exist on a particular world also don't worship Lolth.
Funny thing is, there ARE drow on Krynn (and not just the published mistakes of people assuming Krynnish "dark elves" are drow): DLS4 Wild Elves includes drow who crashed on Krynn from a Spelljamming vessel, and worship a very spidery "daughter of Takhisis."
To be fair, it's one of the more maligned Dragonlance products. :)
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of an editor just listing a bunch of worlds they may not know much about.
Jeff
There's another one in one of the books focused on Raistlin as a foe he has to overcome during his test to become a Wizard of High Sorcery.
As I recall, that was a "dark elf" and not a drow. Krynnish "dark elves" were outcasts of the elven nations and were, aside from their alignment, standard elves. |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 02:53:23
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| I guess they are now drow, because WotC's "canon" policy... |
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Stones Finder
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 03:01:10
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| Dragonlance contradicted itself over the years about drow/dark elves. The original Soulforge book, the multiple-plot book by the author who ran Raistlin in Weiss and Hickman's playtest of the original DL modules, most definitely features a drow - sunlight vulnerability, magic resistance, innate spells and all. By the time he Legends Trilogy introduced Dalamar, that had been either forgotten or retconned. I was pretty much done with Dragonlance by the time Weiss' Soulforge novel came out, so I have no idea how much it differed from the previous book of the same name. |
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AuldDragon
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 16 Dec 2021 : 03:05:14
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Originally posted by Scots Dragon
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Funny thing is, there ARE drow on Krynn (and not just the published mistakes of people assuming Krynnish "dark elves" are drow): DLS4 Wild Elves includes drow who crashed on Krynn from a Spelljamming vessel, and worship a very spidery "daughter of Takhisis."
To be fair, it's one of the more maligned Dragonlance products. :)
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a case of an editor just listing a bunch of worlds they may not know much about.
Jeff
There's another one in one of the books focused on Raistlin as a foe he has to overcome during his test to become a Wizard of High Sorcery.
Pretty sure that was in error due to confusion over the term "dark elves."
Jeff |
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New errata to the drow and other books
