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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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 Posted - 18 May 2005 : 00:03:27
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True... it would be nice to have all the Ed´s characters on cd-rom as "ready-to-run NPCs" 
Not to mention all of the other Realmslore he has ever published. I wonder if we will ever see an organized collection with indexed topics, such as "Architecture in the Realms", "Organization of Guilds" etcetera (indexed also by Regions, of course) 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2005 : 03:49:32
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Originally posted by kuje31
I for one want the characters. FR is about it's characters and thier lives. Not the slaughter or the changes or the RSE's. :(
Simple and straightforward.
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 01:33:59
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Well, I finally read Elminster's Daughter. Yes yes, I know it's a bit late, but I wanted to wait for paperback. Lol.
I have to say I enjoyed the book, almost as much as Elminster's Temptation. This one was a much better book than Elminster in Hell, and I really liked the plots and intrigues that occurred. However, I have to say that it was quite weird to have Myleen Lhal and Vangerdahast getting it on, even though I spotted that one like 100 pages before. 
Fellow scribes, what do you think about the future of Vangerdahast's child? Do you think he'll become the next Royal Mage of Cormyr or perhaps an evil tyrant? And what about Vangy himself? Do you think he'll make a future appearance as a dragon to save the Obarskyr family? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 02:52:54
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Fellow scribes, what do you think about the future of Vangerdahast's child?
I think the combination of this child having some type of friendship/relationship with Azoun will be enough to give Alusair many restless nights.  |
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Josh Davids
Seeker
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Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 03:27:30
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Has there been mention of the baby’s gender? I don’t recall it in Elmisnter’s Daughter.
Who says it has to be male, what if it was female? Hmm….vangy’s daughter and Azoun’s grandkid married and together.(ponders that for a bit) nah….it would never happen, or would it?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 03:36:34
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I think that the child having Vangey's genes would be enough to give Alusair fits, lol.
They may not end up married, but given Azoun's . . . drives, who knows if they would end up . . . entangled. Still, this is putting the cart WAY before the horse.
I think we only just knew that Myrmeen had conceived (and I loved Elminster's line to Vangey about moving faster than El himself does).
By the way, Mrymeen was so much more like how I pictured her in this novel as compared to the overly regal, stuck up snot that she seemed to be in Shadowdale and The Night Parade. How frilly can a former ranger be, especially when the earlier descriptions all lend themselves to that "hard bitten" personality type. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 11:30:13
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Originally posted by Josh Davids
Has there been mention of the baby’s gender? I don’t recall it in Elmisnter’s Daughter.
Who says it has to be male, what if it was female?
No mention anywhere and my speculation included the possibility of the child being female. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 00:19:12
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Well, since Vangey's child is too far away to be discussed, what about Namra?
As she's now Elminster's daughter with so many knowing, how do you think her life will change? Will she like stay at the Twisted Tower with the Sage of Shadowdale? After all, Elminster still needs a new scribe since Lhaeo and Noumea both aren't serving him anymore. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 00:32:09
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, since Vangey's child is too far away to be discussed, what about Namra?
As she's now Elminster's daughter with so many knowing, how do you think her life will change? Will she like stay at the Twisted Tower with the Sage of Shadowdale? After all, Elminster still needs a new scribe since Lhaeo and Noumea both aren't serving him anymore.
Elminster has a female scribe that took Lhaeo's place but she wears Lhaeo's old look as a disguise. :) We just discussed this with Ed and Steven in Ed's thread.
As for Namra, I'd say she probably went her own way because she is one of many of his children, grand children, cousins, etc. :) |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 00:56:04
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| Kuje, that scribe was Noumea. She was that Sembian girl that had pulled out a wand of searing flame and blasted a Red Wizard and impressed Elminster. She appeared in Elminster in Hell but she left his tutorage in Elminster's Daughter. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 01:17:55
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Kuje, that scribe was Noumea. She was that Sembian girl that had pulled out a wand of searing flame and blasted a Red Wizard and impressed Elminster. She appeared in Elminster in Hell but she left his tutorage in Elminster's Daughter.
Hmmm what chapters is that in then? That doesn't add up because the original Lhaeo left a few years before El in Hell. And I coulda swore that Ed never named who the scribe was that took Lhaeo's place.
March 6th from last year: "Let’s dump Elminster, because the Realmslore column is going to eventually get around to the current impostor who wears Lhaeo’s face in Shadowdale, and because the Old Mage tends to keep other apprentices in a somewhat unorthodox fashion."
In a mailing list reply Ed said the new Lhaeo is female. So it doesn't make sense that she left since Ed has given WOTC an web article about the new Lhaeo. :) |
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Edited by - Kuje on 07 Jun 2005 01:27:45 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 02:24:25
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Originally posted by Kuje
[brIn a mailing list reply Ed said the new Lhaeo is female. So it doesn't make sense that she left since Ed has given WOTC an web article about the new Lhaeo. :)
Indeed. As I recall the new Lhaeo is "supposedly" mysterious on purpose, because Ed wanted to keep the information about her as much a secret as possible. Other than that, we know very little about her. Even one of the previous "Spin A Yarn" tales establishes this...
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 02:26:17
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Originally posted by The SageIndeed. As I recall the new Lhaeo is "supposedly" mysterious on purpose, because Ed wanted to keep the information about her as much a secret as possible. Other than that, we know very little about her. Even one of the previous "Spin A Yarn" tales establishes this...
Yup. Unless I missed something I don't believe that the new Lhaeo has been named or the like. So I'm seriously wondering where DDH got his info.... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 02:42:51
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Hmmm... curious.
I might just have a skim through those novels myself, just to be completely certain that the facts haven't been muddled somewhere along the path.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 02:56:10
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Kuje, from page 227 to 234 in Elminster in Hell. A woman named Lady Calabrista brings several women from Sembia to Elminster's tower for him to tutor them. Of course, a Red Wizard pops in through the window and tries to ambush Elminster. However, one of the ladies, Noumea Fairbright, pulls out a wand of ever-searing flame and blasts him away. Afterwards, she is accepted by the Sage of Shadowdale and she makes an appearance in Elminster's Daughter.
Of course, I guess this is based on my assumption so it may not be correct. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 03:12:24
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Kuje, from page 227 to 234 in Elminster in Hell. A woman named Lady Calabrista brings several women from Sembia to Elminster's tower for him to tutor them. Of course, a Red Wizard pops in through the window and tries to ambush Elminster. However, one of the ladies, Noumea Fairbright, pulls out a wand of ever-searing flame and blasts him away. Afterwards, she is accepted by the Sage of Shadowdale and she makes an appearance in Elminster's Daughter.
Of course, I guess this is based on my assumption so it may not be correct.
Is that the hardback or the paperback? Chapter's are better as I asked. :) Edit: Found it. :) 193 to 198. The hardback version says that event took place in 1364, so I guess it's possible but seems odd that the original Lhaeo would stick around for 4 years before leaving.
And it doesn't add up that she would be the replacement scribe because the original Lhaeo left in 1368 and that was 4 years before El in Hell, which is when she arrived at El's tower.... The whole point of keeping up the disguise was to protect the original Lhaeo so that others wouldn't know the original Lhaeo was now a king. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 07 Jun 2005 03:36:32 |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 03:59:44
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Hmm... but Kuje, the event actually didn't take place during Elminster in Hell. The event was just one of Elminster's memories that Nergal was going through. It had happened before the Sage of Shadowdale was trapped in the Nine Hells.
I had always assumed that the little event was told to reveal who would replace Lhaeo after he went back to Tethyr. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 04:08:28
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... but Kuje, the event actually didn't take place during Elminster in Hell. The event was just one of Elminster's memories that Nergal was going through. It had happened before the Sage of Shadowdale was trapped in the Nine Hells.
I had always assumed that the little event was told to reveal who would replace Lhaeo after he went back to Tethyr.
It doesn't matter. From the hardback version, "When Sembian's Stop for Tea (the memory in Chap 13) on the afternoon of Elesias in 1364 FR, the Year of the Wave (it should be noted that Noumea Fairbright is no relation to Noumea Drathculd, who was then Magister).
The Lands of Intrigue box set says the original Lhaeo didn't appear until 1368. The memory was four years before this event, so it doesn't make much sense for Lhaeo to have a replacement during 1364 to 1368, which is when Noumea arrived at El's tower. Noumea then wandered around in 1372/1373 in Elminster's Daughter.
I suppose she could have stayed at the tower for four years until Lhaeo left but I see nothing that clearly says that she is the female that took Lhaeo's form. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 07 Jun 2005 04:21:14 |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 07:58:53
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I agree with Kuje's analysis. I would say that Noumea Fairbright isn't the second "Lhaeo". Uncle Ed would never make it that obvious! We'll all have to wait and see, I guess, re her identity.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 14:00:04
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I agree with Kuje's analysis. I would say that Noumea Fairbright isn't the second "Lhaeo". Uncle Ed would never make it that obvious! We'll all have to wait and see, I guess, re her identity.
-- George Krashos
Indeed, as we'd said earlier. Ed's already mentioned that he's taking extra care to not make the complete details about the "new" Lhaeo... obvious.
I for one, am looking forward to what we will eventually learn about the second Lhaeo.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 05:21:44
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| To highlight this novel's paperback release, WOTC's site has a wallpaper and screensaver for this novel. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 06:02:00
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| Speaking of Lhaeo, does anyone actually know how Elminster and Lhaeo met? And how it came to that Elminster, such a picky and eccentric person, would accept him as his scribe and apprentice? |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 14:50:03
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DDH, Ed wrote a little short story describing their meeting (and El taking Lhaeo on) years ago. I’ve read it, and so have most of the Knights, but it remains unpublished (and no, isn’t in “Best of Eddie”). I’ll forward your query to him, as a goad to remind him to try to get it published (DRAGON? WotC website? In another Best of Eddie collection?).
As far as I know, published Realmslore is silent on the topic of exactly how El and Lhaeo met and their lives together began. Can any learned scribes here point us at specific published references?
And I can confirm that no, Noumea ISN’T the “second Lhaeo.”
love to all,
THO
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 15:03:37
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Can any learned scribes here point us at specific published references?
I believe Lands of Intrigue has details on Lhaeo's "adoption".
I can't recall which page though, as it has been a while since I've read through that particular tome.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 15:10:43
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"Lands of Intrigue" (Tethyr - p.35) deals with this issue and notes that Lhaeo was given into the care of his protector(s) two months after he was born. The text doesn't specify who looked after him, implies that it was more than one person (i.e. not just Elminster) and is couched with little or no detail - in other words, leaving it free for 'canonisation'. Ed's story re the first meeting between Lhaeo and the Old Mage would be a treat to read. Did Ed write it for a particular purpose, THO?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jun 2005 : 15:17:34
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Ed's story re the first meeting between Lhaeo and the Old Mage would be a treat to read.
It would make a perfect article for Ed's Realmslore column  .
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LordEverhate
Acolyte
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Jun 2005 : 22:51:11
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About time? Huh? Even a quick scan through Ed Greenwood's books shows or refers to at least a dozen times Elminster's had his "nose rubbed in it."
If it can be called promiscuity at all. After all, the character has been alive for more than a thousand years. That's a LOT of "normal lifetimes" to, er, enjoy partners in. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 04:34:29
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| Yeah, and poor El is moving even slower than Vangey these days, at least according to his own report, lol. |
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