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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 May 2004 : 08:46:24
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Of course, as I recall, Candlekeep got a bit quiet after June last year . . . .
Thats right Bookwyrm. However, I also recall a number of undesirables turned up as well (whos name I will not utter  ) |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 15:06:01
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Thats right Bookwyrm. However, I also recall a number of undesirables turned up as well (whos name I will not utter )
So, quiet moments with occasional bursts of misbehavior is what to perhaps expect? |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 21:49:51
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That stinks, I had wondered where you got to Wooley, I enjoyed reading your posts and was always glad when you participated in the threads that I would start. I've have had my run ins with the mods there myself. I've been sent an email warning me about posting about novels a few weeks ago. Thing is the reply I gave didn't have anything to do with the novel in question. I didn't even bother replying and I haven't heard anything since. So, whatevah. :)
Things that get to me on the WoTC are the Drizzt threads (I've begged for a separate Drizzt section), and the tendency for the more aggresive Realms fans to be a bit too harsh on those with a different "Realms view". After being on the recieving end of those a couple times, I've decided to take it easy on pretty much everybody, big sis leaves me alone and my blood pressure stays way down. :)
And as to the start of this thread, yeah the poster was being just a bit thick-headed and I had to close down my browser 3 times from 3 different drafts of my reply to make sure it didn't get the thread shut down.  Glad I just didn't post anything at all.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 22:38:18
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
That stinks, I had wondered where you got to Wooley, I enjoyed reading your posts and was always glad when you participated in the threads that I would start.
I've gotten that reaction from a couple of other WotC forum members that have migrated over here... I'm glad I was noticable enough that my absence was noted!  |
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Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2004 : 14:45:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
That stinks, I had wondered where you got to Wooley, I enjoyed reading your posts and was always glad when you participated in the threads that I would start.
I've gotten that reaction from a couple of other WotC forum members that have migrated over here... I'm glad I was noticable enough that my absence was noted!
Well, that was before I knew you were banned. Now you must be shunned.  |
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OrnluTheWolf
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 00:04:59
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I just registered for this site in a retreat from Wizards. About 2 years ago, I was heavy into DnD and Forgotten Realms, so I was on their site alot. Back then, I was actually rather inpressed by it, but I just received 2 official warnings for my first post. After I got a new name because I forgot my old one, I posted my first question: How did Cyric become a god? Anyway, the forum was locked and I recieved 2 warnings, one for each post in the thread, for "discussing novels." What a load of manure.
It's just that, not only was I unaware of the "law" because of my new return, but it was a needed piece of information about a wizard's product, so it was logical to seek help at the wizard's board. Makes sense, don't it? But no........
Wooly Rupert, I sympathize with you. The banning was unjust and unfair, but this is a much better set of forums anyway.....
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 01:48:26
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| Well Ornlu!You now have access to the greatest collection of Realmslore and scribes that you can ever want.Just keep it clean,and Alaundo won't smite thee gone as they did over at WoTC......Welcome by the way!!!! |
LIFE,BIRTH,BLOOD,DOOM---THE HOLE IN THE GROUND IS COMING ROUND SOON----BLS |
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OrnluTheWolf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 03:35:31
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
Well Ornlu!You now have access to the greatest collection of Realmslore and scribes that you can ever want.Just keep it clean,and Alaundo won't smite thee gone as they did over at WoTC......Welcome by the way!!!!
Thanks VEDSICA, I'm glad to be here. Upon my arival, I was fascinated to see that REAL authors (e.g. Elaine Cunningham, Ed Greenwood, R.A. Salvatore) acutally post here. Now I'm fascinated with the kind people and the great moderators. Thanks. |
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 04:09:14
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And here you *can* ask about how Cyric became a god and not get bashed for it!
I saw that thread too. You shouldn't have mentioned that vile "N" word in either post. Just asked how he bacame a god and it would've been fine as such material is also printed in sourcebooks.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 04:39:44
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
I saw that thread too. You shouldn't have mentioned that vile "N" word in either post. Just asked how he bacame a god and it would've been fine as such material is also printed in sourcebooks.
You have got to be kidding me? Sigh, no. I know you're not.  |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 10:04:33
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Darth KTrava
I saw that thread too. You shouldn't have mentioned that vile "N" word in either post. Just asked how he bacame a god and it would've been fine as such material is also printed in sourcebooks.
You have got to be kidding me? Sigh, no. I know you're not.
Man, this feels like the burning of the books back in the 2nd big one... not able to even mention the word novel. This is truly a serious situation folks. I think WotC made a huge mistake here... sure, we board member are just a small percentage of the customers, but don't underestimate word of mouth... or someone bringing this to the press for that matter. They would have a field day with WotC if that would happen...
Headlines: "Book publishing company 'Wizards of the Coast' bans novel discussions on their own online forums."
Wow... where is this world heading. We're far from being proud of that freedom of speech our grandfathers fought for in 39-45...  |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 13:02:08
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OrnluTheWolf
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 13:52:00
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I don't know about sueing or mass media attention, but it still sucks. Ganted, I've only been here for 2 days, but these forums are alot better anyway. While I may not have chosen to be here on my own, it was the best decision.
(For all you gramatically correct people out there [especially writters], was chosen the correct verb for that last sentence?) |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 14:22:29
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| Chosen, yes, if you replace be with come. You could alternatively reword the sentence as such: It was the best decision to come here, even though others may have done the same before. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 15:56:33
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Originally posted by OrnluTheWolf
I don't know about sueing or mass media attention, but it still sucks. Ganted, I've only been here for 2 days, but these forums are alot better anyway. While I may not have chosen to be here on my own, it was the best decision.
That's pretty much how I feel, too... Though I remain tweaked off about my unfair banning. 
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
This is new.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3475241#post3475241
Bah! Bah, I say! After months of arbitrarily banning people and driving people away, now they claim they want to give us a choice? Riiighht....
It was my experience that they claimed the first option was in effect, then acted on the second. I certainly never violated the novels rules, and yet I got nailed for doing so... I saw threads shut down when people even discussed the possibility of a novel! For example, someone started a thread saying they thought that Skip Williams (I believe it was him) should write a book. That was it -- no mention of specific novels, no suggested plot or characters, just an "I think this person should do a novel." And that thread was slammed closed. I had commented on it, so I got a warning.
What they should have done is post something like that linked post back when the novels forums were first closed... Or, better yet, they should have consistently and fairly enforced their own rules. But I guess that's asking for too much... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 16:03:22
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Wow... where is this world heading. We're far from being proud of that freedom of speech our grandfathers fought for in 39-45...
Well, they are exercising their freedom by saying they don't wish to invite certain types of discussion on forums/sites they control.
I just think it's a horrible move as far as customer relations go. Indeed, the online segement is only a percentage of WOTC's customer base. But, in these economic times, does any company wish to invite any type of customer ire? And no matter how they spin it, this brought out nothing but bad feelings towards WOTC and could have been dealt with in another matter.
But, they probably know their customer base much more than any of us here. Perhaps WOTC knows no matter what they do, the hardcore online consumers will continue to purchase their products. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 16:04:43
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
The owners of this domain may need to sue Wizards for money to get a server than handle all the traffic that will be coming, by the looks of things.
LOL! No, they need to write to them and ask the for a grant. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 16:10:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's pretty much how I feel, too... Though I remain tweaked off about my unfair banning.
In every important movement, one hero usually has to be sacrificed. You're in the William Wallace role here Wooly. |
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OrnluTheWolf
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 19:22:45
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I interpreted that newest post in a different manner. It seemed to me, they were saying that if novel discussion continues in spite of the current ban, it will be a much more strict policy and stop any mention of any information found in any novel, FR or not. They're saying that you have a choice, in that you can choose to follow the current rules and leave it the way it is, or you can continue to disobey and "choose" even more stict rules.
Still sounds like a Wisconsin-sized basket of horse manure to me. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 19:54:29
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Originally posted by OrnluTheWolf
I interpreted that newest post in a different manner. It seemed to me, they were saying that if novel discussion continues in spite of the current ban, it will be a much more strict policy and stop any mention of any information found in any novel, FR or not. They're saying that you have a choice, in that you can choose to follow the current rules and leave it the way it is, or you can continue to disobey and "choose" even more stict rules.
Still sounds like a Wisconsin-sized basket of horse manure to me.
I've not seen much choice over there. It's almost guaranteed that even mentioning a novel will get you a warning, at the least. As I said, I did not break any rules, and yet twice received warnings for doing so. I played within the limits they imposed, and I was still chased out for it. |
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Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 20:27:40
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 20:46:22
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Hmm... the more I read their stupid rules and substantiations for their miserable cowardly decision, the more I get the feeling that Big Sister MUST_GO.
I'm going to personally complain to WotC's customer service and tell them that:
1. I am really disappointed on their new ban on online novel discussions, and I will personally stop purchasing WotC novels until it is lifted; and
2. I feel that a more professional WizO should be assigned to the FR boards, one that would not need to ban people, then ask the rest to choose what her next decision should be. Hire or assign someone who can take proper decisions the first time around. |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 21:28:42
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
418 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 21:51:02
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Look, the policies you dislike have very little to do with sis. She is just doing her job: enforcing what those on high pass down to her.
I know that she, as well as many of the other mods, do not personally care for the way things are now. But it is not theiir jobs to dictate policy, just to enforce it.
And as cavalier as you might be, Elf_Friend, in an economy like this when jobs like this are scarce, I am fairly certain you would err on the side of not living in a cardboard box. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 22:27:01
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
I still do not understand why they did what they did. Much like the Map Folio. Why?
LOL! I like the map folio comment. Does anyone have a link for Elf_Friend to the WOTC thread that explained their rationale for the elimination of the novels' board? Or did that go bye bye when they eliminated the novels' board? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 22:29:40
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I'm going to personally complain to WotC's customer service and tell them that:
1. I am really disappointed on their new ban on online novel discussions, and I will personally stop purchasing WotC novels until it is lifted; and
I think that's the only way some change will take place, if WOTC feels that it will have a $$$ effect. Right now, I feel, personal belief only, the mindset is, "Well, the online fans are the hardcore fans, we can do what we want and they still will purchase all our products like the mindless lap dogs they are."
Okay, lap dogs may be a harsh term, but I swear, it's how I feel we are looked upon sometimes. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2004 : 22:31:07
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Originally posted by Capn Charlie
And as cavalier as you might be, Elf_Friend, in an economy like this when jobs like this are scarce, I am fairly certain you would err on the side of not living in a cardboard box.
I'd love to know what the moderators over at WOTC are paid. For what they are having to enforce, it most likely isn't enough. |
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Capn Charlie
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 May 2004 : 22:49:11
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I believe that things are fairly well summed up in this thread.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=243791
aravilar_holistacia has that post quoted about half way down. ANd it pretty much sums it up.
Basically they didn't like the constant negative comments, but couldn't just ban them, so they banned all novel discussion. |
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