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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 01 May 2004 : 00:26:21
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
And drow turned grey when hit with the sun. :) For some reason I keep picturing elves all of sudden as sun chameleons (sp?). "Look Billy! If you shine the sun on them they change color!"
Now we just need to get the Croc Hunter to be a guide and we have a new show for television.
::shudders:: I really think that we should ship him back to the "Outback" express mail as he got on my nerves with that stupid way he talks. The expressions, not the Aussie accent. Paul Hogan, IMO, was a better import than Mr. Croc Hunter. |
Evil will be dealt with swiftly as it is my duty to remove such evil from my presence.
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Darth KTrava
Learned Scribe
USA
172 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2004 : 00:29:25
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Originally posted by SoulLord
I usually still visit those lands but i have to say its more for research purposes as my time is best spent here and i enjoy the company much more.
I still post alot on those boards, depending on the topic... I usually avoid most of the paladin "issues" threads as they're boring as heck with people arguing the semantics of paladins killing babies....
I got griped at by BigSis over how I worded the new wotc "policy" regarding novels. It wasn't an official warn but she told me not to do it again.
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2004 : 15:42:10
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*sigh*
BigSis just locked down a thread on Selune, saying that she is not an "iconic" npc of the realms being that she has not shown up in enough source books.
I can think of at least 4 that she has shown up in. I'm wondering how many one needs to be in to be considered.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2004 : 16:00:09
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Originally posted by Sarta
*sigh*
BigSis just locked down a thread on Selune, saying that she is not an "iconic" npc of the realms being that she has not shown up in enough source books.
I can think of at least 4 that she has shown up in. I'm wondering how many one needs to be in to be considered.
Sarta
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2004 : 16:23:41
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Originally posted by Sarta
*sigh*
BigSis just locked down a thread on Selune, saying that she is not an "iconic" npc of the realms being that she has not shown up in enough source books.
I can think of at least 4 that she has shown up in. I'm wondering how many one needs to be in to be considered.
Sarta
Uh... Selûne, the goddess of the moon, or Syluné, the dead Sister?
Either one is a major enough character that saying she's not iconic is as crazy as Cyric was! 
Man, I'm glad I'm gone from those boards...
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2004 : 01:58:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Uh... Selûne, the goddess of the moon, or Syluné, the dead Sister?
Either one is a major enough character that saying she's not iconic is as crazy as Cyric was!
Sorry, my bad, it was Syluné. My original post was very early this morning, while late to work. I did write to BigSis privately and point out that Syluné had been written up in a lot of sourcebooks, most notably the Seven Sisters sourcebook. She wrote back and said the thread would be unlocked, but that the off-topic flaming would need to be dealt with. *heh*
I'll not claim credit for this reversal, I'm sure many others did the same thing.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2004 : 04:33:13
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Originally posted by Sarta
I'll not claim credit for this reversal, I'm sure many others did the same thing.
Fight the power!
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Urlithani
Acolyte
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 07:50:31
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The first rule of Novel club is you do NOT talk about Novel Club! 
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Uh... Selûne, the goddess of the moon, or Syluné, the dead Sister?
Oh man if they ever did anything like that to Selune, I'd never go back ever again. That's my gir...I mean, goddess! :) |
Biggest. Selûne. Fanboy. Ever! :)
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 12:12:59
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| The one good thing they could do for Selune is to bring her back into action a little more... she's the co-creator of Toril for Diet Pepsi's sake! all we hear is Shar, Shar-Shar-Shar-Shar-Shar, that darnabledangit Shar! Shar and her nice little Shadow Weave. Darnfreckle Shar-buckle! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 15:00:34
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
The one good thing they could do for Selune is to bring her back into action a little more... she's the co-creator of Toril for Diet Pepsi's sake! all we hear is Shar, Shar-Shar-Shar-Shar-Shar, that darnabledangit Shar! Shar and her nice little Shadow Weave. Darnfreckle Shar-buckle!
Glad I'm not the only one to notice this. Selune needs to really start sending flowers, donuts, or whatever to the WOTC people to try and get more coverage. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 19:31:05
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I'll agree with that, too.
I like the fact that now evil forces actually have some ability to do something, unlike in previous editions. However, WotC seems to be focusing too much on the bad guys. It's almost like they want to make up for years of TSR holding the bad guys down, and the Wizards want to correct that mistake all at once.
I mean, we've gone 180° from previous editions. Now all the bumblers and minor groups are more powerful and more prevalent than ever before. We have the Red Wal-Marts popping up everywhere, the Zhents shrugging off the loss of their city, the drow gaining footholds on the surface, and all the Shadow-lovers cropping up...
'Tis a little too much to come all at once, thinks I. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 19:46:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We have the Red Wal-Marts popping up everywhere
That was just a great line! |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 21:33:38
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
We have the Red Wal-Marts popping up everywhere
That was just a great line!
I agree! Made me laugh!  |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2004 : 21:44:32
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*head clunks on desk*
I've just spent an hour or so reading this topic. No offense meant to those of you who posted within, but how can you stand this? Some of the questions have been absurd, and Richard's answers have ranged from "let's retcon 2e sources" to "let's blatantly ignore what the players want" to "let's make horrible, horrible arbitrary responses" to "let's retcon Magic of Faerun"! I especially like how it goes "we've learned more about the 3e rules system" to "I think ECL counts for treasure purposes". *knife appears* *Arivia draws it across wrists*
Through clenched teeth: That isn't the way it works!. ECL and LA are tools for PC creation-not NPCs. That's what we've got EL and CR for.
The fact that they have no official policy regarding this(apparently, the 3.5 DMG seems to say otherwise) is:
- Stupid, because it's blindingly obvious how it works.(From my perspective.)
- Scary, because even Customer Service can't get this right. What does that say about the quality of things there?
This part of the rules actually seems to have been clearer in 3.0...
Eric: With the example you presented, your medusa assassin is a CR 13 creature. As such, you check the 13th-level line on the "NPC Gold by Level"(or whatever it's called)table(because it's an NPC, and it has a CR of 13.). Keep in mind, though, two things.
1. Without the six levels in assassin, the medusa isn't an NPC(because it has no levels in anything) for purposes of this-it's a monster. As such, then you'd check against the "Treasure" line.
2. Any notes in the "Treasure" line of a monster entry don't affect NPC wealth-they only count for results on the "Treasure" table.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2004 : 03:49:16
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2004 : 04:52:39
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 01:14:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I never felt like discussing novels, so that rule shouldn't have affected me. I liked to go in and share my knowledge, or to give informed opinions as to what would happen if X happened in Y or to Z.
However, the way they enforced the no novels rule is what gets me. I participated in a thread where someone mentioned novels, and I got banned for discussing novels. And the thread was deleted, so I couldn't go back and prove that I'd not discussed novels! 
I wondered where you'd got to Wooly. In fact there does seem to have been something of an exodus of a lot of people who I respected. I'm still lurking on the WotC boards, I've never been a terribly avid poster, but not so much lately. That's partly due to exams but also due to the fact it has got less interesting. And I can't say I can understand the need to close the novels forum but I'm sure that's been done to death. All I will say is I do have sympathy for the mods, they only do what they're told for the most part. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 02:33:33
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Originally posted by Reefy
I wondered where you'd got to Wooly. In fact there does seem to have been something of an exodus of a lot of people who I respected. I'm still lurking on the WotC boards, I've never been a terribly avid poster, but not so much lately. That's partly due to exams but also due to the fact it has got less interesting. And I can't say I can understand the need to close the novels forum but I'm sure that's been done to death. All I will say is I do have sympathy for the mods, they only do what they're told for the most part.
I wouldn't have had a problem with the mods, save for two things:
1) A lot of the moderation I saw was either heavy-handed or simply arbitrary.
2) I was banned for no reason, the thread I supposedly broke the rules on was deleted (keeping me from proving I'd not done anything), and then my e-mailed protest was simply ignored. I didn't even receive a "we'll look into it" response.
Between those two factors, I lost all respect for the mods over there. |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 12:22:31
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Well, late though I am to this discussion, I must add my shouts of frustration.
When I read Falstaff's post on your thread (before I came to Candlekeep), PDK, I just sat there re-reading it until I was sure someone could actually be that out-of-line. I felt like suggesting to him that he go and join the Eberron Fanboi club (no offence to Eberron, I'm still quite interested in it, but you guys get the picture) rather than dismiss Ed like he was some unimportant playtester (not that playtesters are unimportant, but again I'm hoping you guys understand my point  ).
The WotC boards are far too Flame-riddled, the main reason I have all but left them for. Many a time Kuje was my ally in these out-of-hand arguements - we seem to have very similar opinions - but recently we had a discussion where we ended up on opposite sides.
That made me realise how out-of-hand it had got, because I was getting so annoyed at them - including Kuje, when it was just a simple disagreement of views. There is some kind of atmosphere there that shouts 'conflict'. So I felt pretty bad about myself, but more about the boards in general. And lo' I found Candlekeep!
In Candlekeep I don't have to be on my guard all the time in case someone attacks my post. Completely different atmophere.
Anyway, if you read this Kuje - I'm sorry if I was at any point rude or combative.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 17:21:00
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Originally posted by Sarelle
That made me realise how out-of-hand it had got, because I was getting so annoyed at them - including Kuje, when it was just a simple disagreement of views. There is some kind of atmosphere there that shouts 'conflict'. So I felt pretty bad about myself, but more about the boards in general. And lo' I found Candlekeep!
In Candlekeep I don't have to be on my guard all the time in case someone attacks my post. Completely different atmophere.
Anyway, if you read this Kuje - I'm sorry if I was at any point rude or combative.
I don't even recall the thread Sarelle, so no worries. :) Sheepish grin. Um what thread was that again? I have so many over there, where I'm aruging with some one who dismisses direct quotes from people that prove him wrong, that I tend to not keep track any more......
There's only a few people over there that I really pay attention to because they argue till they are blue in the face when they are plainly wrong. :) Like the BG thread where a poster said, "Ed basically doesn't know what he is talking about, even though you have two direct quotes from him that prove otherwise and his books are only optional in the official canon Realms." And no this wasn't Falstaff. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 17 May 2004 17:25:59 |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 19:48:18
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Originally posted by kuje31
I don't even recall the thread Sarelle, so no worries. :) Sheepish grin. Um what thread was that again? I have so many over there, where I'm aruging with some one who dismisses direct quotes from people that prove him wrong, that I tend to not keep track any more......
There's only a few people over there that I really pay attention to because they argue till they are blue in the face when they are plainly wrong. :) Like the BG thread where a poster said, "Ed basically doesn't know what he is talking about, even though you have two direct quotes from him that prove otherwise and his books are only optional in the official canon Realms." And no this wasn't Falstaff.
The thread I meant was my Multiworld Deities or A Bunch of Stats one. Though, I remember wondering, as far back as in the first RRMDFRS thread, whether the WotC boards were as fun as they used to be. I actually, guiltily, enjoy a good heated debate - but when it resorts to a sort of paranoia that every post is an attack, and should be responded to with either insults or "it's like that because I say it is" posts, it's pretty pointless and annoying. |
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My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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Sarelle
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
508 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 19:52:20
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Lashan
You got banned? permenantly? temporarily? That's crazy.
Indeed it is crazy. I had been on those forums for several months, and I had nearly a thousand posts to my name, if not more. I had gained respect as one who knew the Realms pretty well -- maybe not as well as some, but certainly better than a lot of the others.
I can go back if I wish, but I have to do so under a different name. And if I do this, I am forbidden from even referencing the old name...
'Twas my third warning. Only one of the three was specific to me. One was for posting on a thread where the initial poster had said something that made absolutely no sense. The grammar was just horrible, and made the intent of his post quite unclear. Others began mocking him. I didn't mock him, but I did agree that his post was unclear. Everyone on the thread was warned, regardless of what they'd said.
The second warning was when someone said it'd be great for Skip Williams to do a novel. I commented, and later received a warning for that. There was no actual novel discussion, it was the possibility of a novel.
The third one was something about Drizzt. All I'd said was that he'd had too much air-time for my liking, and to look at how many novels he'd been in. That was all I said. And yet, someone obviously said something bad enough that the entire thread was deleted (not locked, deleted), so when I got the general warning, I couldn't go back and prove my innocence.
I protested by e-mail, but I never received even a generic reply.
*Jaw drops.* I hadn't seen this post before!  That is just... UNFAIR! I mean... Drizzt HAS been in too many novels, IMO. And it's a perfectly valid post. I thought they were just warning people about not commenting on novels - not actually banning them!
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Chair of the The Rightful Return of Monster Deities to FR Society (RRMDFRS)
My character, drawn by Liodain: Sarelle / Sarelle (smaller) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 20:23:42
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Originally posted by Sarelle
The thread I meant was my Multiworld Deities or A Bunch of Stats one. Though, I remember wondering, as far back as in the first RRMDFRS thread, whether the WotC boards were as fun as they used to be. I actually, guiltily, enjoy a good heated debate - but when it resorts to a sort of paranoia that every post is an attack, and should be responded to with either insults or "it's like that because I say it is" posts, it's pretty pointless and annoying.
Ah those two threads. Yes now I remember. Well no harm done and tis fine Sarelle. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Lashan
Learned Scribe
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2004 : 22:58:51
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| You know, I'm just sick of the content of the WOTC boards going downhill. I've not glanced at it all weekend or today. I just spent less then 5 minutes reviewing what was there, and not one thread caught my eye. That place used to be filled with such good stuff. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 00:11:58
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Originally posted by Lashan
You know, I'm just sick of the content of the WOTC boards going downhill. I've not glanced at it all weekend or today. I just spent less then 5 minutes reviewing what was there, and not one thread caught my eye. That place used to be filled with such good stuff.
Aye, to true. I know some of us (like me!) have had our debates and arguements in the past but lately it just seems that the WOTC boards have been more flameworthy and as you said the threads seem to have gone downhill. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 03:00:08
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Originally posted by kuje31
lately it just seems that the WOTC boards have been more flameworthy and as you said the threads seem to have gone downhill.
Schools are letting out in the U.S. I'm sure it will get worse the next few months. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 03:28:30
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Schools are letting out in the U.S. I'm sure it will get worse the next few months.
YEEEEEEE gods, that's right! Had forgotten that. Oy! |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 04:28:10
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Originally posted by kuje31
YEEEEEEE gods, that's right! Had forgotten that. Oy!
Oh for the ability to memory lapse something like that. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2004 : 05:53:23
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Schools are letting out in the U.S. I'm sure it will get worse the next few months.
YEEEEEEE gods, that's right! Had forgotten that. Oy!
Read User Friendly much?
I'm actually glad school is letting out-I can calm down. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2004 : 06:07:08
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| Of course, as I recall, Candlekeep got a bit quiet after June last year . . . . |
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