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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 17 Apr 2020 : 23:46:48
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Wow, I hadn't realized they had put a hit on Maztica and had their boys dump the body in the ocean (after tying an anchor to it, of course).
Most of the thin copy of a real-world culture locations got sent to another world in 4e - Maztica, Unther, Mulhorand - and I personally wasnt sad to see them go.
Thank you for that information. I haven't looked at ANY of the 4e stuff. I may have to now to see what replaced 'em and if interesting, if I can shoehorn them into a 2e environment (never really cared about those 3 anyway). |
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keftiu
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Apr 2020 : 00:11:04
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by keftiu
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
Wow, I hadn't realized they had put a hit on Maztica and had their boys dump the body in the ocean (after tying an anchor to it, of course).
Most of the thin copy of a real-world culture locations got sent to another world in 4e - Maztica, Unther, Mulhorand - and I personally wasnt sad to see them go.
Thank you for that information. I haven't looked at ANY of the 4e stuff. I may have to now to see what replaced 'em and if interesting, if I can shoehorn them into a 2e environment (never really cared about those 3 anyway).
4e lore has it that the world was split into two near the dawn of tike - the planet we know, Toril, and another planet, Abeir - and part of the Spellplague, the big big event that kicked off the 4e era, was portions of these worlds being exchanged. Unther was replaced with Tymanther, a militant land of godless dragonfolk. Most of Chondath was replaced with clever, canny genasi (elemental planetouched) whose nation of Akanūl became a major mercantile power. Mulhorand was reclaimed by the Imaskari, some of whom returned from the Underdark. Maztica vanished, and in its place was an entire small continent from Abeir. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2020 : 15:18:05
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by keftiu
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
Wow, I hadn't realized they had put a hit on Maztica and had their boys dump the body in the ocean (after tying an anchor to it, of course).
Most of the thin copy of a real-world culture locations got sent to another world in 4e - Maztica, Unther, Mulhorand - and I personally wasnt sad to see them go.
Thank you for that information. I haven't looked at ANY of the 4e stuff. I may have to now to see what replaced 'em and if interesting, if I can shoehorn them into a 2e environment (never really cared about those 3 anyway).
Check out Seethyr's stuff on Maztica and Anchorome and Lopango, and also you'll hear me talking about how to bring the areas back but with twists that make them more feasible when I talk of ideas for my United Tharchs of Toril idea. Official canon on them all is pretty vague, though Unther got a bit of an update with one o Erin's novels. Basically, the whole old empires region is now a mix of both old and new. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 18 Apr 2020 : 15:39:04
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Thank you folks for the Lore. The above sounds good to me. I'll remain a "Nimbral-is-still-here, just cloaked" person. I have a bit invested in that little corner of the FR, and I don't want to lose it. If it ever becomes canon that Nimbral is feywild or in Abeir, then I'll just setup regular Portal or Spelljammer travel.
BTW, where IS Abeir?? Different plane, different planet? What? And most importantly... do we have maps?
Nimbral is HERE at least NOW. The question is WAS it here during the spellplague and cloaked, or in Abeir, or in the Feywild. Just what was it doing over the last 100 years is unclear. Whether this would impact your modern game would be questionable based on what you're doing exactly.
On where is Abeir and is there a map. Very nebulous... Its in the same crystal sphere, occupying the same physical space as Toril, but not in "phase" with it. It sees the "same" sun and moon. No geographic maps. In theory it should be similar to Toril, pre-elven sundering... or possibly POST, since the elven sundering is said to have also reached forward AND into the past... It hasn't had a lot of the meteoric crashes that Toril has (again, an assumption).
From the 4e FR Player's Guide
At the center of the universe lie the twin worlds of Abeir and Toril, slightly out of phase with each other. Both revolve around the same sun and both have a large lunar satellite, Selūne, trailed by a line of moonlets known as the Tears of Selūne.
Toril is the body that folk refer to as the world. In the aftermath of the Spellplague, it includes pockets of Returned Abeir that have replaced pockets of the old Toril. The planets primary and central continent is Faerūn. To the north of Faerūn is the arctic north, home to the polar icecap. To the west of Faerun is the Trackless Sea, and beyond that horizon lies Returned Abeir, which completely replaced a land known as Maztica. To the south of Faerūn is the Great Sea. To the east of Faerūn are the Hordelands. Other continents exist as well, but the folk of Faerūn and Returned Abeir know little about those far-off lands
So its kind of like a parallel world that we can catch "glimpses" of at times, but there is no travel between them?
There IS travel between them. Depending on who is asked, its either EASIER to travel between these two worlds or HARDER. I've seen both answers out o designers. Furthermore, while they say that there's only been 2 intersections between them, many of us have theorized that this could have happened many times through the millenia
its just that Faerun was affected this time, and so they noticed. I myself get the feeling that Maztica and Anchorome was ORIGINALLY from Abeir and got transferred here at some point after the Netherese and their spelljammers. I wouldn't be surprised if the place we call "Osse" didn't also transition here from Abeir and stay. To note, when they transitioned BACK to Abeir, not everything is noted as leaving. In fact, a lot of it stayed and other things that WENT to Abeir returned.
Along those lines, while they say that "Maztica" got replaced by "Returned Abeir"/Laerakond I further note that noone mentions Laerakond being connected to a huge northern continent five times its size or a southern offshoot about equal to it in size. Noone mentions a continent the size of Faerun just off its southern shores either (the place we have been calling Katashaka). So, when they say Maztica was gone, I have to believe that Lopango, Katashaka, and Anchorome all went with it (so like half the world of Toril). To add further to this, Laerakond is said to be just off the shore of a false Evermeet during the spellplague which means either the false Evermeet was a lot further south OR the placement of Laerakond wasn't exactly where Maztica had been. Given that they don't have GPS... I'm going with "the sages were fudging it". Given that they never made a world map that I know of that showed it in relation to the sword coast, there's nothing to hold exactly WHERE it was, and many sages may have used "Maztica" as a general term for "the new lands to the west", much like people used to talk of going to "the Americas" but now when most people think of America its the U.S.A.
I also subscribe to the idea of "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". While Laerakond wasn't my cup of tea, I can see its got some decent lore and probably a following from 4e. I feel like it would be wrong to send it back to Abeir, and thus I've gone with the idea that when the other continents returned it got displaced such that its now southwest of Maztica/west-northwest of Katashaka/west of Lopango. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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