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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
 Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 08:55:03
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Oh, and this is what is said of the Special Edition PHB:
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A deluxe, leatherbound version of the essential tool every D&D player needs.
Since 2004 is the 30th anniversary of the Dungeons & Dragons game, Wizards of the Coast, Inc. is commemorating this milestone with a beautiful, special edition of the Player's Handbook. Created with the collector in mind, this special release now sports an embossed, leatherbound cover and premium, gilt-edged paper, along with beautifully designed endpapers.
Shucks! ::puts hang into pocket and removes notes from wallet:: |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 09:34:00
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Thanks Rad. I had been meaning to do that myself  .
These covers are nice. They're all pretty special in their own unique way, though I particularly like both Eberron covers, as well as the cover for Frostburn.
Rad, just a small note: your 'Sojourn' link, leads to the same image for the 'D&D Map Folio 3D'  .
Here's the correct image, along with some release information - Sojourn.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 09:52:20
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Thanks Sage, ive now changed the link 
Im surprised you liked the Eberron covers 
On the PHB note, does anyone know what the "endpapers" are?  Nice that theyve taken the effort to gilt the page edges  Hope the design of the cover isnt too over-the-top, just a simple symbol and title - much like the FRCS cover. |
Lord Rad
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 09:55:04
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Some nice artwork there. Im particulary impressed with Frostburn, Shining South and definately Sojourn!
The Monster Manual III isnt so hot and im disappointed in Libris Mortis as im really looking forward to the product and it would have been nice to have had much darker cover art (yes Bookwyrm, I know, im not judging the book by its cover  ).
Im surprised at the poor artwork for the Eberron products, but likely theyre temporary images, as WotC have released such before when the final art hasnt been completed.
What does everyone else think?
From what I've been reading on the 'D&D Futures' board, the coverart for both Eberron tomes is final. The only cover in the Eberron products to undergo major changes so far has been the actual illustration for the campaign setting.
Like Rad though, I didn't find much to like about the cover for MMIII, but then I really didn't think much of the first two (+ 1 3.5e MM) MM covers either.
I liked the image for Shining South. Can we assume that is some kind of gnomish airship on the cover?.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 10:00:58
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Thanks Sage, ive now changed the link
Im surprised you liked the Eberron covers
Good. Because I was beginning to wonder about you there for a moment, Rad .
As for the Eberron covers, well, I prefer the cover to the Whispers of the Vampire's Blade adventure, but that could be because of the Warforged on the cover. I expected a little more for the City of Towers, since it appears to be the one sourcebook for the setting every "Ebbie" fan is excited about.
Oh well...
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 13:45:45
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In regards to the cover of Libris Mortis - Is that an Illithid on the cover illustration?.
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 13:59:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Some nice artwork there. Im particulary impressed with Frostburn, Shining South and definately Sojourn!
The Monster Manual III isnt so hot and im disappointed in Libris Mortis as im really looking forward to the product and it would have been nice to have had much darker cover art (yes Bookwyrm, I know, im not judging the book by its cover ).
Im surprised at the poor artwork for the Eberron products, but likely theyre temporary images, as WotC have released such before when the final art hasnt been completed.
What does everyone else think?
From what I've been reading on the 'D&D Futures' board, the coverart for both Eberron tomes is final. The only cover in the Eberron products to undergo major changes so far has been the actual illustration for the campaign setting.
Like Rad though, I didn't find much to like about the cover for MMIII, but then I really didn't think much of the first two (+ 1 3.5e MM) MM covers either.
I liked the image for Shining South. Can we assume that is some kind of gnomish airship on the cover?.
My first reaction was that it was one of those nifty Halruuan flying ships like the one on the cover of the 2nd edition regional supplement for the area. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 14:10:45
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You could be right about that Brother Ezra, afterall the Halruaan skyships are famed throughout the entire Shining South region.
The 2e Shining South tome states that Halruaan airships usually have three masts of flexible wood, as well as two separate steering/guidance panels.
I think I can make out the steering panels -- can anyone see the masts?.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 15:38:45
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
In regards to the cover of Libris Mortis - Is that an Illithid on the cover illustration?.
Hmm, possibly. Or maybe more appropriately - an illithilich. |
Lord Rad
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 17:45:32
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Im particulary impressed with Frostburn, Shining South and definately Sojourn!
What does everyone else think?
I think you have good taste as those three items do have nice artwork especially Sojurn.
Have you been able to find The Ruby Guardian listed yet? Last I read, the novel was set to come out late this year. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 22:32:21
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Im particulary impressed with Frostburn, Shining South and definately Sojourn!
What does everyone else think?
I think you have good taste as those three items do have nice artwork especially Sojurn.
Have you been able to find The Ruby Guardian listed yet? Last I read, the novel was set to come out late this year.
No thats all that was available unfortunately  Im particulary looking forward to seeing the art for The Ruby Guardian as the art for the first book was fantastic
Oh, and welcome back Sirius, where ya been hiding, its normally you thats first here with cover art scoops! |
Lord Rad
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 22:58:33
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
In regards to the cover of Libris Mortis - Is that an Illithid on the cover illustration?.
Hmm, possibly. Or maybe more appropriately - an illithilich.
They've probably decided to bring back the Alhoon... |
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CurseLord
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 00:30:17
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I perhaps like the MM III's artwork the best out of all three, and also over the cover for the Fiend Folio(3e). Not to say that they were bad, but I'm just liking it more.
The Eberron covers are horrible; I especially don't like that gold tassel or whatever it is.
And the 3D Map Folio looks like a five-minute job in Maya or something. Bleh. 
The rest of them are quite good. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 00:32:33
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 01:14:08
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Anyone knows what that Frostburn book will be?
It's the first in a series of books focusing on specific climates. It'll be dealing with arctic climates. |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 03:49:01
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
You could be right about that Brother Ezra, afterall the Halruaan skyships are famed throughout the entire Shining South region.
The 2e Shining South tome states that Halruaan airships usually have three masts of flexible wood, as well as two separate steering/guidance panels.
I think I can make out the steering panels -- can anyone see the masts?.
Now that I've saved it and magnified it, the it is indeed an airship, but it resembles a dirigible more than anything else. There's a gondola (is that the right word?) beneath what looks like a large american football. There also appears to be either a lammasu or some kind of sphinx flying nearby. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 04:23:44
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Oh, and welcome back Sirius, where ya been hiding, its normally you thats first here with cover art scoops!
Never left milord. But, you'll be amazed what you can learn about others simply by watching and remaining quiet for awhile.
Thank you CurseLord for the link to The Ruby Guardian's cover. I think it looks great. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 04:42:51
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
Now that I've saved it and magnified it, the it is indeed an airship, but it resembles a dirigible more than anything else. There's a gondola (is that the right word?) beneath what looks like a large american football. There also appears to be either a lammasu or some kind of sphinx flying nearby.
Gondola is right, yes.
Hmm, this is starting to sound less and less Halruaan-perhaps another change to make it easier on the artist? After all, it's pretty hard to draw a flying ship...[/sarcasm] |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 05:34:57
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 06:38:38
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Originally posted by Arivia
Hmm, this is starting to sound less and less Halruaan-perhaps another change to make it easier on the artist? After all, it's pretty hard to draw a flying ship...[/sarcasm]
I see the future now and it will include FR Products with a great many stick figures.
WOTC: "Well, the other races were so hard for our artists to draw. Thus, we decided that the stick people were in hiding for centuries and now are returing to rule all of Faerun."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 08:44:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The skyship on the cover of the first Shining South didn't match the description, either.
It sounds to me like another fine example of artists not taking the time to research the product they'll be illustrating the cover for. Surely one of the production staff could have provided the artist with a brief write-up of what the Halruaan Skyships look like...
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 08:54:19
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I see the future now and it will include FR Products with a great many stick figures.
WOTC: "Well, the other races were so hard for our artists to draw. Thus, we decided that the stick people were in hiding for centuries and now are returing to rule all of Faerun."
Don't forget the dark stick figures, the arctic stick figures, the jungle stick figures... And, after centuries of exile, the returning-from-somewhere-else stick figures!  |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 09:12:37
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The artwork for the Ruby Guardian can be found here http://www.wizards.com/global/images/products_frnovel_177690000_lgpic.jpg
WOW! Simply beautiful, thanks CurseLord. Maybe drop a link to this over over at Thomas Reids thread just incase he hasnt seen it, I know hes anxious to seeing the art.
...and if he was aware of the art being released, then he should have reported back here right away and told us  |
Lord Rad
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 14:29:49
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Missed this one also for Mistress of Night - http://www.wizards.com/global/images/products_frnovel_175620000_lgpic.jpg
Looks good Its set my mind a bit more about the cover of Lady of Poison which is still showing as lop-sided. I was hoping that was just a bad scan or something as I cant think of any valid reason to misalign the covers of the Priests series. |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 14:55:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The skyship on the cover of the first Shining South didn't match the description, either.
It sounds to me like another fine example of artists not taking the time to research the product they'll be illustrating the cover for. Surely one of the production staff could have provided the artist with a brief write-up of what the Halruaan Skyships look like...
I wonder how much the Eberron pseudo-steampunk theme is influencing the artistic outpust at WotC. The whole dirigible thing just reminds me of the railroad thingie from the Eberron setting. Who knows |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 15:41:24
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The "railroad thingie", as you put it, is something that has already been discussed at length on the WotC Boards. The methodology behind those themes in the Eberron setting, is slightly different to what is portrayed in the Realms, regarding airships and the like.
I'd go into more detail, but we all like to keep Alaundo happy, so I'll finish by saying that there is quite a significant difference between these setting themes in both FR and Eberron.
If you want to know more, I suggest visiting the WotC Eberron boards.
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 16:34:05
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'd go into more detail, but we all like to keep Alaundo happy, so I'll finish by saying that there is quite a significant difference between these setting themes in both FR and Eberron.
I realize that, but my point is, do the artists who produce the cover art for FR know the difference in theme, or are they just creating something that looks flashy for the covers. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 16:50:27
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Considering WotC's current policy on such matters, my vote would be for the "we-do-this-because-it-looks-way-cool" opinion. There's no real logical behind their approach, it's probably just another method to boost sales. Some players purchase gaming material based partly on the artwork contained within.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 17:11:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
Some players purchase gaming material based partly on the artwork contained within.
I am not one of those players... In fact, all of my hardcover gamebooks have plain brown covers on them.
I've been doing that since HS. Originally, it was not as much to protect the covers as it was camouflage. Whenever I took a gamebook to school, I'd inevitably have to deal with other gamers wanting to borrow it: "Oh, I just need to look up something! Can I borrow this until after lunch?"
Also, my dad's wife at the time was death on D&D -- she even tossed my Super Endless Quest books. But the stuff with a book cover on it, she never even looked at. So the hardcovers had the plain brown covers, the softcover stuff was stuck in various folders, and the Monstrous Compendiums were hidden in the pedestal of my waterbed.
Now, out of habit and a desire for consistency, I cover all the hardcovers. All the softcover stuff goes into polybags. |
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