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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 15:05:18
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Y'all are getting off-topic as usual  Thank you Bookwyrm, perhaps you would like to collaborate to make a comprehensive list of monk orders? Anyone else like what I did, should I even try to think of more?  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 15:34:26
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Actually yes, I did find it rather interesting Wood Elf. I'd neglected to mention it earlier, but I've since added your comprehensive list of monk orders to my own ever-growing list-o'-Realmslore.
If you're willing to create a few others, I'd be happy to see what you come up with  .
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Jacinth Greyfox
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 18:09:51
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| If you have access to the material there are a number of orders of monks mentioned in the Kara-Tur and Horde boxed set.In fact there is even a hidden kingdom actually ruled over by monks. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 May 2004 : 02:08:40
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Yes, I'll try to cook up one or two of my own. Granted, they won't be soon, since I have finals soon, and I've other backlogged projects (some of them even Realmslore!  ) that need doing before then. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 May 2004 : 02:13:41
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually yes, I did find it rather interesting Wood Elf. I'd neglected to mention it earlier, but I've since added your comprehensive list of monk orders to my own ever-growing list-o'-Realmslore.
If you're willing to create a few others, I'd be happy to see what you come up with .
Wow, my work forever immortalized within the Sages vast library...  I am in awe  Truthfully how many computers do you have to hold all of this lore? I've seen reference to a few things taking up GB of hard-drive space, I don't know how you can have EVERYTHING on just one computer or even two for that matter
I'm glad you liked my work though and I'm going to keep working on this. I would like to make one unique order for each deity that can have lawful worshipers. This may take a while but I will share it here with everyone once I'm done |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 May 2004 : 02:36:15
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Typically, off-the-shelf computers contain at least 30 GB now. My friends' familiy has over one hundred GB, though I'm not sure of the exact amount.
Of course, their computer mostly uses this space for the movie they're working on, which can run up a lot of room. Sage probably has room to spare. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2004 : 08:32:45
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Originally posted by Wood Elf Ranger
Wow, my work forever immortalized within the Sages vast library... I am in awe Truthfully how many computers do you have to hold all of this lore? I've seen reference to a few things taking up GB of hard-drive space, I don't know how you can have EVERYTHING on just one computer or even two for that matter
I'm glad you liked my work though and I'm going to keep working on this. I would like to make one unique order for each deity that can have lawful worshipers. This may take a while but I will share it here with everyone once I'm done
Well, I now have five machines (I recently purchased a new computer in January so that I could finish the work on my new OS), four of which are networked, and sitting in my study/bedroom. Since they have a combined HD, and their memory capacity is also joined over the network, the size of my HD comes in at just over 1,000 GB. Over a quarter of that is taken up by D&Dlore, while the rest is solely devoted to my non-D&D interests. Of the 250GB+ information that I have on D&Dlore, over 60GB is dedicated to Realmslore, with another 50GB given over to PS. The rest is whatever other D&Dlore that I come across and find interesting enough to download and keep on my HD.
As it stands, I'm operating with about 90GB free memory at the moment, but that could increase very soon, once my new OS is complete, and the poor efficiency of the Windows memory manager then becomes a thing of the past...
Of course, this brief work-up doesn't include my notebook, or my main laptop... 
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2004 : 16:23:17
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Juarlaxle
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 02 May 2004 : 15:35:20
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Thanks to all who have shed some light upon this subject.
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2004 : 13:48:33
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| I hate to give out info on monks. Since to me most people always seem to play monks because they become power houses. And that normally seems to be their only real reason to playing a monk. However. Since I really don't care since im not in any games with you *snickers* Look into AEG's Merc. Book. Then crack open unearthed arcana. You will then be able to take note of all the brokenEss that is monks. And if that still is not enough then there is always ninja and assassin classes for eviler monks. |
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Roewyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 22:09:52
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I don't get monks.
How the hell can a man hit with his fists or kicks to another man who is wearing a full plate armor?
I think also hitting a fella covered with meatl sheets with wooden staff hardly works. Fists like hammers should be the explanation but how do they get there?
Tell me why I sound so stupid.
I trained wing tsun for 5 years by the way. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 02:23:21
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It all comes down to the way the monk focuses his spiritual energy, his ki.
I'd talk more, but I'm short on time. Hopefully another scribe will expand on this.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 06:30:09
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I don't know what wing tsun is like; I just studied a mix we just called "karate" for convenience. Even then, I just know enough to be dangerous. (Reflexes great, control not so great. I need to go back sometime.)
But still, any martial art is about aiming for the weak spot. Unless, of course, you're doing epee or saber. Foil's good for that, though. When the opponent is unarmored, you go for biologically weak areas. When they're armored (whether in plate mail or in Kevlar), you go for technologically weak spots. That is, what's left uncovered or just weaker than others.
And that's without even adding the ki, as Sage mentioned. If you channel that, you can roleplay the impossible-seeming power a monk can put behind a punch, even to plate mail. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 14:41:13
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There you go, the Bookwyrm covered the basics . I also suggest you consult the Oriental Adventures tome. There's a little about the usage of the standard monk class in that sourcebook, especially in regard to how it functions within a non-oriental D&D environment.
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Roewyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 22:19:14
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I know man can break bricks with bare fists. I think that is like the ki thing.
But I ve seen full plate mail. You hardly hurt one in full plate mail with swords. I simply couldn't imagine how a monk inflict that kind of demage with bare hands.
But I get your point, Bookwyrm. And I will try to check out the tpme you mentioned, Sage. Thanks.
By the way wing tsun is a branch of kung-fu and is based on speed and dexterity. No upper body kicks and punches are fast, maybe 5 or 6 in a second. that sytle is called chain fist(the best translation I can find). Blocking and attacking happens at the same time. My english is not enough to detail all but I suggest everyone at least to read about wing tsun. It can be a good prestige class for monks, especially ones that are not strong but dexterious. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 22:34:37
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I know man can break bricks with bare fists. I think that is like the ki thing.
But I ve seen full plate mail. You hardly hurt one in full plate mail with swords. I simply couldn't imagine how a monk inflict that kind of demage with bare hands.
If one really wants to get realistic about unarmed combat vs. full plate mail, grappling is by far the most effective approach. While it is true that full plate would be very formidable against straight punches, joint locks and joint breaks would be simply devastating. A well-versed grappler would be able to shatter elbows, knees, necks, and many other vulnerable human joints with ease. If anything, the armor would most likely make the victim even more vulnerable to this approach.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 23:06:04
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Indeed, the joints and gaps in armor would be devastating as knights in plate while durable succumb to other problems (heat in deserts, the lighter and quicker grapplers, and powerful longbows able to pierce armor). Remember that Armor was designed to protect from other wielding wicked weapons, and mainly melee weapons (some of the downfalls of the Crusades, Saracens and turks entered lightly armored while Crusaders endered with heavy armor... Walking ovens otherwise . Also bear in mind that since it is Faerun, Ki may be put into a more 'tangible form' (puts more omph into a punch than it does in theory or idealogical perspecive here, although we're only guessing) as magic seems just as powerful.
On a side question, The Old Order... what are their basic Ideals? We have heard (and read) that for them it's not the deity it's the message of idea... so what is this message? Any clues on this or the Old Order in general?
Oh! Also if someone is wearing full plate... just push them down |
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Roewyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 23:51:45
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unbalacing the heavy armoured knights was what turks generally did. Turkish infantries were using light swords like scmitars generally and they were wearing light armour like chain shirt or no armour at all. So their speed was very efficiant against the knights.
Well I was generally thinking on the simple rules. My mistake. Of course unbalancing a full plated fighter is an easy job, eventhough I don't think simply pushing an experienced fighter is that easy. But breaking the elbow of your enemy and tripping with simple moves can be a very easy when he is moving that slow under that 40 kg of metal. |
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