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Senbar Flay
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 Posted - 07 May 2004 : 22:10:04
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I read about this in several forum's but I have no idea what it is was it like the time of troubles or what Anybody know if you do please say
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Roewyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 22:22:37
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Lathander tried to change the fearunian pantheon according to his ideas. It didn't work. The biggest event I can bind that event is Tyche's split into Beshba and Tymora. I think that was one thing moender did to weaken one of the Lathander's allies.
As far as I know there was no major effect of dawn cataclisym
However there is a rumour of second dawn cataclysm. Lathander loath many of evil deities and want to change everything.
I think there is a tome about that if you search around a little you can find more
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 22:35:54
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What Roewyn wrote is essentially correct.
There were few repercussions of the Dawn Cataclysm on the mortal world, though the event is said to have presaged the fall of Myth Drannor. The split of Tyche into Tymora and Beshaba the biggest known effect of the Dawn Cataclysm, though some other deities are said to have fallen during that time as well -- one being the goddess Murdane, a lesser deity of pragmatism and reason, who was Helm's lover.
WotC has taken a very hands-off approach to the DC, and refused to give much more info beyond that. However, in the FRCS, it mentions the split of Tyche's church as having happened in 8th century DR. This puts it in 700-799 DR. Since Myth Drannor fell in 714 (the fighting started in 712), then we can assume that the Dawn Cataclysm happened between 700 and 714 DR. |
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Roewyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2004 : 22:42:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What Roewyn wrote is essentially correct.
There were few repercussions of the Dawn Cataclysm on the mortal world, though the event is said to have presaged the fall of Myth Drannor. The split of Tyche into Tymora and Beshaba the biggest known effect of the Dawn Cataclysm, though some other deities are said to have fallen during that time as well -- one being the goddess Murdane, a lesser deity of pragmatism and reason, who was Helm's lover.
WotC has taken a very hands-off approach to the DC, and refused to give much more info beyond that. However, in the FRCS, it mentions the split of Tyche's church as having happened in 8th century DR. This puts it in 700-799 DR. Since Myth Drannor fell in 714 (the fighting started in 712), then we can assume that the Dawn Cataclysm happened between 700 and 714 DR.
Who's Murdane, Wooly?
I never heard about her. Can yo tell us about her a little more? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 00:05:21
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Originally posted by Roewyn
Who's Murdane, Wooly?
I never heard about her. Can yo tell us about her a little more?
She's never been given more info then what Wooly just posted. She has a short sentence in Faiths & Pantheons, in Lathander's info I believe. Or maybe it's in Helms...... |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 00:19:06
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Personally, I hope the WotC forgets the Dawn Cataclysm idea. As I mentioned on other boards, the author behind the DC bit (because F&P was a collaborative effort) did not even remember about the DC when I asked him about it. True, the man has several projects on the go, but it just goes to show that this was just a personal spur of the moment imaginative bit on his behalf, not really simmered over an extended period of time nor developed with the help of other FR authors (as no other than him know anything about it)
Either that or WotC told all their authors to shut up about it, that they're keeping it for a future product or as a plot point for the 4th edition FRCS or something... |
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Roewyn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 00:48:01
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for me deites should not interfere the mortals business that much all togeter.
There may be crusades and sort of grand events but a deity changing the whole course of history as that one is a mortal is not just fair.
Toril is a place that mortals live and the deities who are responsible with these mortals' life are suppose to regulate instead of controling everything. Deities are not supposed to control mortals' life for their divine politics.
I like Lathander but the idea behind Fearun's theology is, for me at least, is the deities doing best according to their portfolios to regulate mortal life as they are supposed to do.
But Lathander's work was destroying that balance. His idea was creating a new pantheon to serve his ideas. Not himself, his ideas. But he was excluding evil, sorrows, and chaos. For me that's unreasonable for a god but I can see his motives. And Ao did too. Lathender was about to destroy evil and Ao didn't let that go on. That's why everything ended without big outcomes except Tyches's split.
Eventhough that issue was not worked on deeply by the officials, I bet we all thought about this great event. And the lore about this event in my games is like as I wrote above. I think that is reasonable.
Well, a second cataclisym is expected and I tend to use it.
Sometimes evil have to win, and I is believe it is the time. Lathander will fail to prevent evil by a second dawnfall and evil will spread.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 01:01:08
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Personally, I hope the WotC forgets the Dawn Cataclysm idea. As I mentioned on other boards, the author behind the DC bit (because F&P was a collaborative effort) did not even remember about the DC when I asked him about it. True, the man has several projects on the go, but it just goes to show that this was just a personal spur of the moment imaginative bit on his behalf, not really simmered over an extended period of time nor developed with the help of other FR authors (as no other than him know anything about it)
Either that or WotC told all their authors to shut up about it, that they're keeping it for a future product or as a plot point for the 4th edition FRCS or something...
From what I've read, the Dawn Cataclysm was a throw-away line that some previous author tossed into a source back in the days of 2nd edition. No info was given on it, but it still caught people's attention enough that a minimal amount of info was added -- but just that little bit.
The Dawn Cataclysm was mentioned in sources before the FRCS and Faiths & Pantheons, but it was the latter two sources that gave the most info about it.
I think it's not as much a future plot point (after all, it was almost 700 years ago), as something that snuck in without being planned. The current focus of WotC is on crunchy bits, so unless they decided to revisit that timeframe or someone writes a novel about it, it's not likely that we'll ever get more canon info on the Dawn Cataclysm. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 May 2004 : 02:20:35
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
I read about this in several forum's but I have no idea what it is was it like the time of troubles or whatAnybody know if you do please say
Arravis, I also suggest that you perform a search here in the library for details pertaining to this Dawn Cataclysm. Edaith and I have spoke at length on this topic previously, and it may also help you to understand the events of this semi-RSE.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 00:17:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Dawn Cataclysm was mentioned in sources before the FRCS and Faiths & Pantheons, but it was the latter two sources that gave the most info about it.
Hmm... I did not know this. I thought that this particular author pulled it out of his own personal hat... That's the way it sounded when he told me about it at that particular convention...
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think it's not as much a future plot point (after all, it was almost 700 years ago), as something that snuck in without being planned. The current focus of WotC is on crunchy bits, so unless they decided to revisit that timeframe or someone writes a novel about it, it's not likely that we'll ever get more canon info on the Dawn Cataclysm.
I agree... that was just a little blip on the radar, a false alarm of sorts. I don't think WotC will follow up on it. It's sad they even published this at all now that I think of it, as it diminished, in my mind, one of my favorite 2nd edition Faerunian god. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2004 : 00:43:43
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It wasn't completely a throw away plot. Don't forget the novel Tymora's Luck.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 01:53:24
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Originally posted by Sarta
It wasn't completely a throw away plot. Don't forget the novel Tymora's Luck.
Sarta
Yeah, but from what I've read, the author who first slid in the Dawn Cataclysm did so without official sanction. As I recall, this person was doing a timeline, and dropped that onto there. And then the fans noticed...
So TSR did a little with it, and later Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak decided to dust off some old characters and use that detail as part of the plot for Tymora's Luck.
But there was, originally, either very little or no detail on the Dawn Cataclysm. So I refer to it as a throw-away item -- there was no intent to follow it up, that just kinda happened.
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Sarta
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Posted - 09 May 2004 : 01:59:50
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Ahh, no problems. My bad. I was thinking you meant that it was a throw away plot (as in still is), not that it was only intended to be a throw away plot.
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