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Dargoth
Great Reader
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 Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 07:58:56
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Has anyone bought this book by Green Ronin?
How adaptable is it to the FR?
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Edited by - Alaundo on 24 Aug 2004 09:31:44
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Lady Kazandra
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Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 08:06:02
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I would like to tell you, but strangely this product was not on the Sage's pre-order list. I wonder why?.
It's a carry-on tome from the Book of Fiends though, isn't it Dargoth?.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 08:37:42
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| Its one of Green Ronins Races of Renown books |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 09:02:38
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| Yes I know that, but I think it carries on from certain details presented in the Book of Fiends. |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 09:58:13
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I may check this book out. Are there any reviews floating around at all?
So far, I've absolutely loved Green Ronin's Freeport stuff and I strongly recommend it to anyone looking to run a fun swashbuckling site-based campaign. I worked it into my FR campaign by plopping it down where Immurk's hold is in the Sea of Fallen Stars and blending in FR canon with the Freeport stuff.
However, I know that several of the other source books by Green Ronin have been panned. Seems like they are a bit more hit and miss with some of their other stuff.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:02:12
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I'm a little weary of GRR's Freeport material, mostly because you need to have so many other GRR supplements to make effective use of the setting as a whole. Still, I suppose some of the material could be incorporated into an FR campaign. A "basic" city of Freeport could work as a counter to the underground realm of Skullport.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:22:02
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Originally posted by Sarta
I may check this book out. Are there any reviews floating around at all?
So far, I've absolutely loved Green Ronin's Freeport stuff and I strongly recommend it to anyone looking to run a fun swashbuckling site-based campaign. I worked it into my FR campaign by plopping it down where Immurk's hold is in the Sea of Fallen Stars and blending in FR canon with the Freeport stuff.
However, I know that several of the other source books by Green Ronin have been panned. Seems like they are a bit more hit and miss with some of their other stuff.
Sarta
Im a little concerned its only 96 pages long
I cant find any links to reviews fot A&T on the Green Ronin site and no ones written a review at Amazon |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:28:41
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Hmmmn, there's no reviews on the EN World website either, nor the Gaming Review site.
Maybe this product simply didn't warrant a review  .
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:31:02
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I'm a little weary of GRR's Freeport material, mostly because you need to have so many other GRR supplements to make effective use of the setting as a whole. Still, I suppose some of the material could be incorporated into an FR campaign. A "basic" city of Freeport could work as a counter to the underground realm of Skullport.
Actually, I just have the Freeport stuff alone and it stands fine by itself. The original series that spawned it (Death in Freeport, Terror in Freeport, and Madness in Freeport) also work just fine as a stand alone series with the following kept in mind: Start the players out as 2nd level and you pretty much need to run the earlier ones for the later ones to make sense. Which is unfortunate due to Death in Freeport being out of print (but still widely available).
Hell in Freeport is the only one that really uses outside material and it contains all that one needs to run it as sidebars, but the cosmology is a bit wonky and makes it difficult to incorporate into the cosmology of the Realms. I have it, but will probably never make use of it.
Dargoth, in terms of reviews it may be too soon for them to come flooding in. I don't really trust the Amazon reviews, but there are some good 3rd party gaming sites that give pretty good unbiased reviews.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:35:18
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Oh wait, I've found one. It's brief, but at least it's something.
The review is located here.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:40:15
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| What Im really looking for is a book with a heap of Tiefling/Aasimar races for other races for example theres mention of Plane Touched Haflings in ROF by no stats are given |
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Sarta
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:45:45
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Looks like it merits a brief browsing at the local hobby shop and then perhaps I will purchase it. I'd like to see cambions and alu-fiends get their due again.
Also, if the rules presented for creating one's own templates are decent it may pay off for those variants that you are looking for. Some evil halflings would be nice -- boggins or something like that. I think the feral halflings of Dark Sun were perhaps the main thing I really apreciated about that world setting.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:52:17
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Originally posted by Dargoth
What Im really looking for is a book with a heap of Tiefling/Aasimar races for other races for example theres mention of Plane Touched Haflings in ROF by no stats are given
Let me have a look through the Sage's PS material. He may have something on that.
Speaking of which, he's just come through the door . . . so off I go  .
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 10:55:14
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 13:19:30
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I never did care much for Paul Revere, although I suppose that's because I'm not an American. For heroes of the Revolution, Benjamin Franklin was always a source of inspiration for me.
Anyway, the Sage is now resting his weary mind and body, so unfortunately he won't be returning to Candlekeep until tomorrow.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 18:01:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
What Im really looking for is a book with a heap of Tiefling/Aasimar races for other races for example theres mention of Plane Touched Haflings in ROF by no stats are given
Are these the Wisplings that are in Fiend Folio? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 20:12:05
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I never did care much for Paul Revere, although I suppose that's because I'm not an American. For heroes of the Revolution, Benjamin Franklin was always a source of inspiration for me.
Oh, never said I cared for him either. I just liked the image. 
What, would you prefer I used Ned Kelly?  |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Apr 2004 : 22:17:16
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| I'd prefer if you used one of those Celestial Messenger's everyone seems to be talking about. I hear they're quite the rage... |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 06:22:08
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Will do Shadowlord, and thanks for the reminder .
And Bookwyrm, no I would not prefer Ned Kelly - it's a very sad chapter of this nation's history .
Wisplings are planetouched that are said (in 3e) to be the descendents of halflings and tanar'ri. So, they could very well be what Dargoth is talking about. There's also the Maeluths, who are the offspring of dwarves and baatezu. They're planetouched as well.
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 06:39:24
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I just took a look at the link for this book and I have to say I am very interested. I have a few questions as well.
Are Green Ronin books all for a certain setting or are they similar to the WOtC books covering a few different settings?
How easy is it to convert Green Ronin material to the Forgotten Realms setting? For example if they are using completely different celestials than those found in the FR then it would be really hard to convert but if they were the same then it would be really easy. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 06:54:36
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Wood Elf, for the most part, the GRR accessories are aimed at all campaign settings, much like WotC products. However, most of the monster books, and class books released by GRR also give special attention to the complete campaign settings they also publish - the 'Vistas' settings - like for example, Mindshadows.
Conversion between settings isn't really that difficult, although in most situations and specific campaign settings, it's often better to use the material provided that supports the setting you are playing in. Like your celestials example. If there's stats for celestials in a FR product, it's often better to make use of those instead. It's not a stab against GRR, it's just that their creations are generated to be very broad, so they can be applied to many settings. They're often absent of campaign-specific flavor that makes some creatures unique.
If you want to use aspects of a GRR product that your campaign setting doesn't have, then generally, no conversion is necessary, unless the GRR book specifically states that this GRR product is designed for a GRR released campaign setting.
Now, I'd better stop saying GRR, because it's giving me a headache . . . 
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 07:47:50
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| GRR...GRR......Anyone else expecting the Mutant Enemy logo to appear? |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 07:59:07
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I'm sorry Arivia, the what . . . ?
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 09:10:43
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ROF says there are non human planetouched
Aasimar: Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes and Halflings
Air genasi: Elves??
Earth genasi: Shield Dwarf & Rock Gnomes
Fire Genasi: halflings
Tieflings: Others ut unspecfied
Water Genasi: Sea Elves |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 09:45:40
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Some of those planetouched have been covered in past issues of Dragon magazine Dargoth. Mainly from the late 2002-to-early 2004 period.
I'll track down a few of the issue numbers. However, I do recall some Air planetouched in DM #307.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 12:57:14
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 13:33:57
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Okay, here's another (although it's from memory as a friend is borrowing the issue) - DM #314. It has some elemental-based races detailed inside, although I can't recall whether they were standard elementals, or quasi-and-para elemental born.
And Dargoth, did you also take into consideration the Wisplings and Maeluths from the FF that I mentioned?.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Apr 2004 : 13:46:31
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*checks*
Hmm well I guess the Maeluth & Wispling would be the Tiefling equivelant for Dwarves and Halflings |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2004 : 14:51:50
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Has anyone bought this book by Green Ronin?
There's a new review for this product up at GamingReport.com
http://www.gamingreport.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=1006
Thanks
I might put off buying it until I see a review for the Planar Handbook, and see if it has any of the stuff I want |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 May 2004 : 02:42:23
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Thanks
I might put off buying it until I see a review for the Planar Handbook, and see if it has any of the stuff I want
You're welcome. If you do end up purchasing this item, let me know what you think of it.
I used to feel Green Ronin was one of the best D20 publishers out there. However, a recent purchase from them combined with some future pubishing notices and delays in product releases has me much more leary about buying anything from them in the future without reading a great number of reviews. |
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