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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 10:49:06
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Sorry Bookwyrm, I guess consultation with you first on the 'ethereal-mail' issue would have been appropriate  .
The NPCs are the oldest "characters" in the game. Jack Archer is simply the oldest (and most detailed) PC within the campaign  .
Bookwyrm, if you're already comfortable with the stats as is for Jack Archer, just let me know and I'll see what I can arrange regarding the rest of the PCs.
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 11:00:21
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Ok, thank you for your patience everyone! So far, I am going with the following:
1. Roll 4d6 for each stat, dropping the lowest die.
2. We start at ECL 7.
3. Current party consist of [1] fighter/mage varient, [2] a ranger varient, [3] a wizard, [4] something called a "handler" and [5] a cleric of Waukeen.
4. Any race/class/region as long as Sage approves.
Any considerations as to the general party alignment? if the above is correct, I'm pretty much ready to make the character and send it up to the main man!!  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 11:45:48
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Originally posted by The Sage
Sorry Bookwyrm, I guess consultation with you first on the 'ethereal-mail' issue would have been appropriate .
Hardly. It was just a jest. Though I do think ethereal is actually better. After all, eldritch means magic, and ethereal is otherworldly. What do you call a world that only exists through an accumulation of ideas? Especially one that has not physical form. That's why I originally chose "ethereal" to represent the 'e.'
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Bookwyrm, if you're already comfortable with the stats as is for Jack Archer, just let me know and I'll see what I can arrange regarding the rest of the PCs.
Well, I'll go with what the rest agree with, and if they want rolls, I'll just keep rolling sets until I have six I can agree with for Jack.  (If it were for another character, that would be different, but Jack's so set that a lot of it's dependant on some relative stat levels.)
Now, I also do prefer the point-buy, simply because it's less random. Maybe I've got too much of Einstein in me. (Sage, at least, will get that one. And a few others besides.) I suppose you could add points to the total pool. Make it 34, maybe 36 points or something. But I'll leave it up to you and/or the rest. The point is to make as many people as possible be happy and have fun. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 16:31:31
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Y'all can officially add my character to the campaign!
CG female Half-Aquatic elf Ranger4/Rogue 3
Keep me updated on stats/HP I have no problem changing mine, or you can change them for me Sage as you have my stats now. I didn't even add my rolls up I wonder if its close to the point buy anyway... *adds them up*... uh each one gets a base 10 before you add the rest up correct?... that would give me 23 if thats true. Hmm perhaps I'll buy into your point buy system  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 17:09:11
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No, you get a base of 8 in each stat. But it's not a one-to-one correspondence, you know.
Let me show you. This first column is the stat score. The second column is what it costs to advance to that score from the one preceeding it. The third column is the total number of points you need to spend to get that score.
08 +0 00
09 +1 01
10 +1 02
11 +1 03
12 +1 04
13 +1 05
14 +1 06
15 +2 08
16 +2 10
17 +3 13
18 +3 16
So you see, it's a little different. Perhaps you should try the Redblade 3.5e generation program, which is linked to here in the site. It's got its glitches, but in most respects it's superior to the WotC version for 3e. |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 19:59:48
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Thanks Bookwyrm, I did know that I have no idea why it slipped my mind. Hmm *counts again* now I have 44 points? sigh this is confusing Hmm doesn't Icewind Dale II and perhaps Neverwinter Nights use the point buy system? Couldn't I just go into one of those that has the correct amount of points? Well that is considdering we are using points *shrugs* I'll just leave my character for now until we decide. Well here are the base stats I rolled so you can take a look.
Str: 10
Dex: 17
Con: 10
Int: 17
Wis: 15
Cha: 14
They change in my actual stats only from getting +1 at 4th level and then by an item (Gloves of Dexterity +2) which I did not add on here so you could see the basic stats from first level.
I have another question as well. Items that increase your Intelligence such as the Headband of Intellect only increase your skills that use the Int modifyer but it will not increase your number of skill points while leveling up correct? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 20:54:13
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| That's correct. A magical bonus is only a temporary bonus, so it doesn't affect permanent knowledge; however, it makes your mind more ordered, and so your Int-based skills improve. |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 22:13:02
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Wow Yall have said alot since yesterday(cable went out)...
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I think I may have just worked out an interesting way for your character to become involved in the adventure. If you're interested, I'll send it to you via ethereal mail. But I must ask you not to discuss it here, since it does deal - in a minute way - with the adventure to come _____________________________________________________________________
Yes i have to flesh my character out alot alot more. I would love for you to send it to me. My mail is GHSJacket1@yahoo.com and if anyone has any ideas about my character please etheral mail me ill keep my lips sealed. i still need to figure out a few details about him.
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Id really appreciate that, ive never really made a character like this and i could really use some pointers and you and i could toss some ideas around. I was acctually going to ask you to help me
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I still have alot of work to do on this character and was hoping a few of you would help me flesh him out. i havent really set any of his background in stone yet... I was also thinking about what weapon he should use. I want if to be something big and intimidating , my first thought of coarse was greatsword, though as i thought about it more i really want it to be a really big pick though i dont know exactly what damage it would do or whatnot(someones got my PHB 3.5 ) Nice to see you back Sage.
Also im still not quite sure on what ability generation process that everyone decided on.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 23:02:12
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| Rogue, just download the SRD from the site I indicated. It has all that information in it. |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 23:23:01
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Now, I also do prefer the point-buy, simply because it's less random. Maybe I've got too much of Einstein in me.
I also prefer the point buy system, as it ensures that no "superstar" steal the show for the players who might have had a bad day rolling stats! As silly as this may sound, using this system also results in every player "knowing" that their character is on an equal footing to the others at a given ECL. Probably not required when the players are as mature as you guys, but like the military issuing uniforms to make everyone look the same, there is an underlying benefit to have a team know or believe that all members are "equal".
It also ensures game balance, as the DM does not need to constantly review what it takes to challenge us. One review, maybe two, and that's usually enough for the DM to "know" what it takes to challenge the party. I've played 3.0 and 3.5 FR almost exclusively with a 32-point buy system, and it was great every time (one campaign used 25-point buy, and it was too low for FR as we constantly got trashed...)
My usual DMing standard is 32-point buy with full hit points at 1st and 2nd level, then 75% afterwards (i.e. Ftr6 = 10 + 10 + (7.5*4) = 50 - not including Con mod). This results in a well balanced game (the only thing I need to do is to adjust main enemy NPCs or "bosses" with the same HP - I don't bother changing HPs for the regular encounters) |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 23:41:51
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The "main man" awaits your proposal....
Proposal sent! let me know what you think... |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 23:51:21
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Id really appreciate that, ive never really made a character like this and i could really use some pointers and you and i could toss some ideas around. I was acctually going to ask you to help me
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Originally before this i had what you had said to me earlier BookWyrm, about helping me. I would greatly appriciate the help.
EDIT:Rogue, just download the SRD from the site I indicated. It has all that information in it.
Im not sure exaclty what your talking about here, i cant find the
a site adress on this thread...
EDIT:(AGAIN)oh nevermind i found it...silly me
-The Rogue |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2004 : 23:57:40
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However, some major aspects of the campaign will included:
adventuring in Waterdeep
interaction with several notable NPCs in Waterdeep
exposure to the Outer Planes (although the campaign will focus mainly on the Elemental [or Inner] Planes)
a short encounter in Sigil
a brief sojourn through some of the levels of Undermountain is a possibility (this is pending, and due entirely to a special request by several other players)
conclusion of the adventure is a secret
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OK a few questions. I have heard a little bit about Sigil reading posts on this wonderful site but i still am not quite sure what it is. Im not experianced at all in extrapalanar travel, so if anyone can give me the rundown on that i would be appriciative.
-The Rogue |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 05:40:18
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| The Sage is the best source for this here, but Sigil is the "center" (insomuch as an infinite thing has a center) of the multiverse. It is also known as the City of Doors, and likely has a portal to wherever you want to go. Assuming you can find it, that is. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 05:43:13
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RogueAssassin said -
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Yes i have to flesh my character out alot alot more. I would love for you to send it to me. My mail is GHSJacket1@yahoo.com and if anyone has any ideas about my character please etheral mail me ill keep my lips sealed. i still need to figure out a few details about him.
Lady Kazandra is busy with study today Rogue, so I doubt she'll get to that piece of information today. She has a free day tomorrow - of that I am sure - so I would expect something regarding this from her then.
Purple Dragon Knight, I'm looking over what you've presented so far. I have found one problem, although it can be easily fixed by something the Bookwyrm had shown me a while back. I'll get back to you on that one, privately.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 05:49:03
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Originally posted by RogueAssassin
OK a few questions. I have heard a little bit about Sigil reading posts on this wonderful site but i still am not quite sure what it is. Im not experianced at all in extrapalanar travel, so if anyone can give me the rundown on that i would be appriciative.
-The Rogue
The Bookwyrm is essentially correct about Sigil, Rogue (it shows he's been paying attention ). If you would like (and this is a notice to everyone else involved in the campaign as well), I can send you a small 'primer' on the City of Doors. Since I know that Alaundo frowns on all non-Realmslore discussion...regardless of one's title within the library...any information about Sigil is better circulated through the ethereal (Bookwyrm's right, it is better ) mail service.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 06:06:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by RogueAssassin
OK a few questions. I have heard a little bit about Sigil reading posts on this wonderful site but i still am not quite sure what it is. Im not experianced at all in extrapalanar travel, so if anyone can give me the rundown on that i would be appriciative.
-The Rogue
The Bookwyrm is essentially correct about Sigil, Rogue (it shows he's been paying attention ). If you would like (and this is a notice to everyone else involved in the campaign as well), I can send you a small 'primer' on the City of Doors. Since I know that Alaundo frowns on all non-Realmslore discussion...regardless of one's title within the library...any information about Sigil is better circulated through the ethereal (Bookwyrm's right, it is better ) mail service.
And for those of you who really need a dunking, the 3e Planescape conversion group(I've forgotten the address) has completed their chapter on Sigil... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 06:12:14
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Originally posted by The Sage
I have found one problem, although it can be easily fixed by something the Bookwyrm had shown me a while back.
Now I'm all over curious. I've no idea what you're referring to . . . .
I agree with Purple Dragon Knight as to rolling, and for the exact same reasons. He was just able to articulate what I hadn't figured out yet.
Sage, you mentioned comfort with Jack Archer. Well, to make him "ideal," I'd like to raise his Con, Wis, and Cha by two each. But I think I'd be happy with what I have. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 06:22:22
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Bookwyrm, it's from a private conversation, back in June 2003 I believe.
As for your comfort with Jack Archer's ability scores...as I've stated, you're more than welcome to change them -- just be sure to have everything finished before the final date for submission (which is likely to be the end of the second week into May).
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 06:27:29
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In order to do that, I'd need a point-buy of 38 points! 
Well, I still don't know what it is you're referring to, but you're obviously reluctant to talk about it, so it doesn't matter.
As for deadline, I mentioned a few things in a recent ethereal mail I sent you. Assuming you agree to the change in it, I'll have the price lists for you well before then. In fact, the only thing that might be delayed is the Fencer class specifics (hint hint ). |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 13:41:06
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Originally posted by RogueAssassin
Yes i have to flesh my character out alot alot more. I would love for you to send it to me. My mail is GHSJacket1@yahoo.com and if anyone has any ideas about my character please etheral mail me ill keep my lips sealed. i still need to figure out a few details about him.
Okay then, I'll send it out to you. Actually it would help also if you have access to any of the Dragonstar setting tomes, mainly the 'Player's Companion'?.
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
USA
627 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 15:07:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
The Bookwyrm is essentially correct about Sigil, Rogue (it shows he's been paying attention ). If you would like (and this is a notice to everyone else involved in the campaign as well), I can send you a small 'primer' on the City of Doors. Since I know that Alaundo frowns on all non-Realmslore discussion...regardless of one's title within the library...any information about Sigil is better circulated through the ethereal (Bookwyrm's right, it is better ) mail service.
I would like this please |
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"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 15:51:54
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I've got your order here Wood Elf. I'm adding a few extra tidbits of my own in, in order for players to get the most on Sigil in such a small article.
Look for it in your ethereal mailbox tomorrow (Australia time).
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 21:04:04
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I can send you a small 'primer' on the City of Doors._____________________________________________________________________
That would be greatly appreciated.
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Actually it would help also if you have access to any of the Dragonstar setting tomes, mainly the 'Player's Companion'?._____________________________________________________________________
Im sorry but i do not have any access at all to these books, in fact, ive never realy heard of them... I checked my 2 local Dnd stores and neither of them carry the setting...
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 22:10:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
Purple Dragon Knight, I'm looking over what you've presented so far. I have found one problem, although it can be easily fixed by something the Bookwyrm had shown me a while back. I'll get back to you on that one, privately.
Hi Sage. Still waiting to hear from you on this subject. Let me know what befalls, as I cannot continue creating the character unless I know what was wrong in the concept in the first place.
Also, are we going for a point buy system or not? Bookwyrm and I seem to think that would be the best thing, what about you? |
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Wood Elf Ranger
Senior Scribe
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627 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 00:45:18
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How about we use the 38 point buy? It really doesn't matter to me I just want it set for sure so I can get my character set.
I hope we use full HP though because that percent thing is kind of confusing. I'm sure Sage can just give all the NPC's and monsters full HP as well to balance things out. |
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"Breaktime yes?!.. Yes?.. Maybe?.. Noo, baaack to work.." -Grovel the Goblin from NWN: HotU |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2004 : 00:54:12
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38-pt build is a bit strong but not that much over the top, as it allows for a 16 to become an 18... or three 12s into 3 14s...
As for full HPs, I don't mind either... heck, ESPECIALLY if Sage decides to throw us critters with FULL HPs!! the only downside is that the already long 3.0/3.5 fights become much longer, as critters require more rounds to put down (and more spells, which tires the party faster, which results in the party resting after almost every fight, etc.) |
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