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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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 Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 03:44:29
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As some of you know WOTC will be selling a Leather Bound players hand book later this year (I probably wont buy that) however someone on the Candlekeep board suggested something that got me interested (Thanks Rad)
In 2006 the FR will turn 20 (Im pretty sure that dates right) so I was thinking.. how about doing a a Leather bound revised and updated FRC?
How many of you would buy a such a book?
By Revised and updated Id suggest the following
1) Remove Chapter 1 from the book most of that material has been superceded by Races of Faerun and the PGTF (that creates 52 blank pages for us to insert new stuff)
2) cut out the deitys section which is pretty much superceded by Faithes and Pantheons (this gives us another 27 pages)
3) the monster section perhaps remove or maybe enhance see below
4) Go through the Geography section and update it for example by 2006 when this Revised FRC would come out the WOSQ series will have been completed so in the Underdark section there would be revised write ups for the Drow cites ie Ched Nesad being destroyed other areas will also need updating ie Evereska the Silver Marches as RAS latest Drizzt trilogy will have come to an end in short this is another opertunity in 2 years time to advance the timeline.
5) the NPCs stats could be revised to 3.5 and updated to the epic rules if applicable
6) We have 79 blank pages 85 if we remove the Monster chapter to.
Here are my suggestions for that space
a) Drop an updated Monsters of Faerun into those 79 pages so all the FRC specfic monsters are all in one place if the Monster of Faerun has already appeared in another another product do more FR monster in this space
b) Use the 79-85 pages to do a heap of mini adventures if use the Silver Marches format you could get 21 mini adventures in those 75 pages which could be spread out all over Faerun.
c) Grab all the magic items sections from all the prvious books and reprint them in one chapter in the FRC
d) Perhaps use the 85 pages do a mixture of a and b
I like the idea and would buy it, my FRCs starting to look a little worn now and would probably be in pretty bad shap in 2 years time
Coments? Suggestions?
By the way I created a thread about this on the WOTC website
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3088574#post3088574
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 04:01:04
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Coments? Suggestions?
I like the idea of doing something special for the anniversary. However, I don't trust WOTC. I firmly believe they will come up with something totally outlandish or ill-suited. Your idea has many good elements and shows you put thought into it. Therefore, you have cursed it to never happen. However, thank you for the notice about the 2006 date. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 05:40:43
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| I'd buy that book, Dargoth... But, sadly, SiriusBlack makes a good point, too: WotC will prolly do something that no one really wants... |
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Elmonster
Acolyte
Russia
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 07:34:34
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I would love to see a special (limited) edition of FRCS. I think that it shouldn't be just revised edition, but a new book with a lot of new information.
- A big chapter on History of the Realms. Like it is in FRCS 3.0 but more detailed
- A very detailed section on geography with lots of illustrations.
- Information on magical items, gods e.t.c.
A leather bound is a good idea, but i would prefer a simple hardcover with more pages, than just FRCS 3.0 in leather bound. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 09:39:13
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 Ill take half a dozen copies! 
It would be a shame for WotC to bypass a milestone for the Realms. Sadly, I dont think the 20th anniversary will cut it. 25th Maybe.
For D&D they celebrated 25th and now also the upcoming 30th anniversaries.
However, a special quality bound version of the FRCS would certainly go down well with me. Or maybe just a tome on the complete detailed history and geography of the Realms would suit fine. Pure fluff |
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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Apr 2004 : 15:57:29
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Originally posted by Rad
Ill take half a dozen copies!
It would be a shame for WotC to bypass a milestone for the Realms. Sadly, I dont think the 20th anniversary will cut it. 25th Maybe.
For D&D they celebrated 25th and now also the upcoming 30th anniversaries.
However, a special quality bound version of the FRCS would certainly go down well with me. Or maybe just a tome on the complete detailed history and geography of the Realms would suit fine. Pure fluff
Unfortuantely, WotC doesn't seem to think that fluff sells, and it would probably be chock full of new skills, spells, and prestige classes that none of us would really be interested in, and perhaps 5-10 pages would be a "regional update" that would barely touch on developments in each geographic region. I hate to be so cynical about this, but the Players Guide to Faerun is a perfect example of this. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 08:40:31
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(Leather-bound x WotC publication) + (dragon hoard) = (big cost) + (little funds) = negative chance of purchase.
 Sorry. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 16:54:01
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
Unfortuantely, WotC doesn't seem to think that fluff sells
Unfortunately, as Richard Baker stated on the WOTC board some time ago, a good portion of purchasers for FR products merely loot the crunch to use in their own generic campaign. Thus, they are not interested in any FR fluff, because they are not running FR campaigns. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 18:46:12
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Unfortunately, as Richard Baker stated on the WOTC board some time ago, a good portion of purchasers for FR products merely loot the crunch to use in their own generic campaign. Thus, they are not interested in any FR fluff, because they are not running FR campaigns.
Which does a disservice to us long time realms fans, dm's, and players.... I've said it before fluff made FR what it is, which is a living campaign world. |
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Bruce Donohue
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 18:57:03
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 19:24:07
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
Unfortuantely, WotC doesn't seem to think that fluff sells
Unfortunately, as Richard Baker stated on the WOTC board some time ago, a good portion of purchasers for FR products merely loot the crunch to use in their own generic campaign. Thus, they are not interested in any FR fluff, because they are not running FR campaigns.
What is the world coming to?!
As far as im concerned, you can keep the crunch, its all about fluff for me! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Apr 2004 : 19:29:04
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Originally posted by Rad
What is the world coming to?!
As far as im concerned, you can keep the crunch, its all about fluff for me!
I call it the ADHD player syndrome. |
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Alrunes Sinethal
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 01:14:22
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I am a sucker for special editions :) I probably will buy it just so it can sit dusty on my enormous bookshelf :P
I think history and people is what makes a place comes alive.
1. The history section in the FRC is ridiculously short. I have seen longer history sections in some of the accessories (for cities or regions). Like come on, we have more than 26,000 years of history! Surely WotC can do better than those puny pages.
2. A lot of areas in FR is still un-expanded. Perhaps a commentary from Ed Greenwood on what inspired him for that region. Things like maybe a certain culture, or time period in our own time that he based/wanna based that region on. I hate it when I created something for a region and have it culturally clash with latter FR products.
3. People. I love people and their stories. What makes them tick, what pisses them off. Not so much the realms-shaking characters that I hesitate to modify, but the common-day heroes.
4. All the gods in FR are "legitimate". We need some quasi-deities that are trying to make it into real deities, and hence have religious cults that I can point and name "HERETICS!". Unlike Greyhawk, FR is really quite weak with demon/devil relations. We have almost no nether-cults (besides Orcus). Am I the only person that misses Graz'zt, Anthraxus etc. ? What are the roles of demon lords in FR? (I was recently trying to create an evil cleric, and I was frankly quite bored with the evil gods. Did you know we have more good gods than evil gods. When does that ever happen in a real world?  ) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Apr 2004 : 01:28:50
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Hmmm...this is certainly an interesting shared-dream...
I'd most definitely purchase a copy, however I would expect that this leather-bound version of the original 3e FRCS (on top of what has already been suggested) have the revised cosmology included.
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Canyia
Seeker
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 : 06:56:18
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| Leather-bound? Isn't that a bit odd? |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 : 10:41:21
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Why do you say that Canyia?.
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Canyia
Seeker
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 : 15:26:26
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Oh well, I'm a vegetarian and an aminal rights activist to boot when I'm not slaying evil beings  I won't kill anything that doesn't piss me off first, basically The thought of a book covered in the skin of the dead is, well, creepy to me actually. Unless it's synthetic
I'm a bit peeved at the thought too because it means that it's something I and many others cannot buy it even if we could afford it. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 : 19:10:41
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Well, remember, some of us like leather. Personally, though, I don't think it goes well with books. I did see one that actually loooked good, but it was a really expensive one.
Usually, though, I prefer simple cloth. Like my nice Hobbit edition. 
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Apr 2004 : 23:23:35
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Well, remember, some of us like leather.
*chuckle*
Thats more infomation than we needed to know Bookwyrm |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 Apr 2004 : 03:55:13
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I've a leather jacket, which Canyia and I just discussed over private messages.
You've a dirty mind, you know. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2004 : 10:33:47
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Originally posted by Canyia
Oh well, I'm a vegetarian and an aminal rights activist to boot when I'm not slaying evil beings I won't kill anything that doesn't piss me off first, basically The thought of a book covered in the skin of the dead is, well, creepy to me actually. Unless it's synthetic
You probably wouldn't enjoy visiting a Githyanki library then. It is said that the entire inside walls of the chambers in the library are covered with dead skin, a patchwork collection of human, elven, and dwarven hides (they are not the only races though ). The collected knowledge and wisdom of the whole githyanki race is then written upon this specially treated skin, and left hanging in the halls of the library, where anyone can read from them.
The most well known skin-library is located in Gehenna, on Mungoth I believe. The halls of the library stretch for many miles in every direction (except away from the mount, obviously), and both up and down the volcanic mount. It is rumored that the skins of many thousands of dead from nearly every race across the multiverse adorn the walls here. The githyanki though, will not take the skin of illithids, or githzerai, their most hated foes.
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