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Richtin
Acolyte
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 Posted - 30 Mar 2004 : 05:55:40
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right now im trying to learn as much as possible about drow.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 Mar 2004 : 06:32:35
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Originally posted by Richtin
right now im trying to learn as much as possible about drow.
What do you know and/or what books/products have you already read? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Mar 2004 : 07:05:59
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| I'd recommend the Drizzt Do'Urden books by R A Salvatore, the Liriel Baenre books by Elaine Cunningham, and the 2nd edition sourcebook The Drow of the Underdark. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 01:30:44
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| Yes, and are there any specific questions you have? I guarantee I could answer most of them off the top of my head... (Though I'm not one to brag... ) |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Icewolf
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 02:14:06
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Yes, and are there any specific questions you have? I guarantee I could answer most of them off the top of my head... (Though I'm not one to brag... )
Specific Question: Since paper/leaves are no doubt difficult to come by in the Underdark, what do they use after they rid themselves of bodily excrement?
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 04:12:00
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| are there any other known drow that rejected the ways of lolth and became as drizzt do'urden? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 06:53:48
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Originally posted by Richtin
are there any other known drow that rejected the ways of lolth and became as drizzt do'urden?
There's plenty of good-aligned drow in the Realms, though not all were originally turning away from Lolth -- Qilué Veladorn, the Seventh Sister, was born near the surface, and thus never spent any time in a Lolth-dominated city. Her daughter, too, was born free from Lolth's influence, and I'd assume that other drow followers of Eilistraee have had kids that have never known Lolth's mad touch...
Liriel Baenre is another drow who, like Drizzt, fled from Menzoberranzan. I think her to be a far more interesting character... She's in the novels Daughter of the Drow, Tangled Webs, and Windwalker, all by Elaine Cunningham.
Drow of the Underdark mentions another drow, Susprina Arkhenneld. Of her, Ed says: "we’ve not seen the last of this proud, wary, dangerous lady, but I can say she fled from the Underdark to the surface as a young woman, and is both a sorceress and has training as a mage, making her -- well, let’s say a ‘formidable opponent.’ I’ll add this much more: she’s passed 7th level in one of her classes, but I’ll not be more specific now because of some future plans." |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 31 Mar 2004 07:03:33 |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 16:59:16
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to Wooly Rupert-
Thank you for the information. it realy did help, i will look into the set of books that you recomended. are there any other books that show the good side of drow. and what about before the war between the elves, where the drow good natured???? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 18:18:38
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Originally posted by Richtin
to Wooly Rupert-
Thank you for the information. it realy did help, i will look into the set of books that you recomended. are there any other books that show the good side of drow. and what about before the war between the elves, where the drow good natured????
Some of that was covered in Evermeet... Some elven history was also covered in the sourcebook Cormanthor: Empire of the Elves.
The Ilythiiri (sp?), the elves that became the drow, never were an overly friendly bunch... They were very aggressive, practiced slavery, and were generally lousy neighbors.
On the flip side, the gold elves have not always been paragons of virtue, either. |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 22:12:21
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To Wooly Rupert-
Thanks again for the information. I will look into those books. A couple of more questions that I have-
Can the drow ever be accepted by other deities?
is it true that if a drow and a diffrent subrace of an elf have offspring that they will always be dark coluored? |
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Icewolf
Learned Scribe
USA
214 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 22:53:19
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Originally posted by Richtin
To Wooly Rupert-
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Can the drow ever be accepted by other deities?
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Drow CAN be accepted by other dieties, as Drizzt was accepted by Meliekki. The goddess showed her favor by letting the elf pet a unicorn.
After-post: Hey, my 100th post! |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 22:56:44
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Originally posted by Richtin
To Wooly Rupert-
Thanks again for the information. I will look into those books. A couple of more questions that I have-
Can the drow ever be accepted by other deities?
is it true that if a drow and a diffrent subrace of an elf have offspring that they will always be dark coluored?
Corellon has some dark elves as clergy and worshippers or he did in Demihuman Deities at least.
Also the Cormanthor book can be found on the link below, for free.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/downloads
If a drow and a gold elf mate it will either be a full blooded drow or a full blooded gold elf. A few people have said that because of Corellon's Curse, that the drow blood gives the offspring a better chance to be a drow. However, I don't recall this in any of the FR books.... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2004 : 23:57:35
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Originally posted by kuje31
If a drow and a gold elf mate it will either be a full blooded drow or a full blooded gold elf. A few people have said that because of Corellon's Curse, that the drow blood gives the offspring a better chance to be a drow. However, I don't recall this in any of the FR books....
Exactly. I recall someone on the WOTC board who was fanatical about the curse having that effect. The only thing I ever recall reading is a Vhaeraun follower in one of Elaine Cunningham's books stating that half-drow usually breed back true into the drow race. I believe this theory is repeated in Vhaeruan's write up in Demihuman Deities. |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 00:26:48
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are there certain areas that openly accept drow in the overworld?
Can you magicly allow Drow equipment to be bathed in sunlight, and still not lose its magical properties? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 02:00:41
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Originally posted by Richtin
are there certain areas that openly accept drow in the overworld?
What do you mean? There are the Vhaerunite drow in Cormanthyr and a score of other places in Northern Faerun, then there's Eilistraee's worshippers, and...a few other places I've forgotten.
If you mean somewhere where the drow are welcomed by all, there aren't that many. I can't think of any off the top of my head besides Dambrath, and possibly Ruathym(after the events of Tangled Webs). Keep in mind even the oh-so-almighty Drizzt  got turned away from Silverymoon.
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Can you magicly allow Drow equipment to be bathed in sunlight, and still not lose its magical properties?
Under 3e rules, yes. Actually, the property that makes this effect happen for drow equipment is actually a magical enhancement called drowcraft. You can find the rules for this in Underdark. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 06:52:36
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Originally posted by Arivia
Keep in mind even the oh-so-almighty Drizzt got turned away from Silverymoon.
Well, there's always the next book. In future references should I refer to him as OSA Drizzt when replying to your posts?  |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 15:35:34
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What do Drow eat?
If the drow community were to fight the illithid community who would win? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 16:21:02
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Originally posted by Richtin
To All-
What do Drow eat?
If the drow community were to fight the illithid community who would win?
What do drow eat? Mushrooms, edible fungus, rothé meat, fish... Nothing terribly exotic or strange; but they are limited by their environment. (BTW, a rothé is a kind of herd animal, something like a cross between a cow and a yak).
As for drow vs. illithid, there's a lot of things to factor in. The size of the communities, who's attacking whom, where, why they're fighting, etc... Drow are formidable opponents, but mind flayers aren't push-overs. If the communities were close to each other and roughly the same size, they'd be more likely to have an uneasy alliance instead of conflict -- after all, you don't pick a fight with the guy next to you when both of you are the same size and physique. |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 16:50:19
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To Wooly Rupert-
Say Menzoberanzan, all the houses, 2 zin-carla, 1 yolchol, and the Favor of lolth
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all illithid in the underdark
and the battle was just for land |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 17:50:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What do drow eat? Mushrooms, edible fungus, rothé meat, fish... Nothing terribly exotic or strange; but they are limited by their environment. (BTW, a rothé is a kind of herd animal, something like a cross between a cow and a yak).
I remember in Mongoose's Sheloth book they showed a scene where a character received as a special treat, a "thick mushroom steak with honey glaze."
She was served it with wine. No idea on whether it was red or white. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 18:55:55
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Originally posted by Richtin
To Wooly Rupert-
Say Menzoberanzan, all the houses, 2 zin-carla, 1 yolchol, and the Favor of lolth
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all illithid in the underdark
and the battle was just for land
This isn't exactly a balanced scenario. For one thing, the drow rarely go to war simply for more land. For another thing, there's a whole bunch of illithid in the Underdark. If a single city tried to take on an entire race, then that city would be wiped out. In this particular case, Menzoberranzan would be a ghost town, and the illithids would have a lot of new slaves, and "all-you-can-eat drow brains" on their menus for quite some time. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 21:39:12
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Originally posted by Richtin
What do Drow eat?
I know I've got a list of this somewhere. Off the top of my head, these are a few things not already mentioned:
Mushroom wine, sporebread(made from bluecap flour), fire lichen paste, luurden(bloodfruit) wine, beetles and crickets, and pyrimo(essentially radioactive puffer fish).
On the war issue, right now, the illithids(And that might not be that bad...). I've forgotten exactly when Maanzecorian died, but Ilsensine is still granting spells to members of the Venerator creed...
Oh, and go ahead, Sirius. And not to murk up another topic, yes, you did use it right. |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 01 Apr 2004 : 23:52:40
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| but could'nt the 2 zin-carla by themselves wipe out a realy big BIG portion of the illithid because they are not affected by illithid??? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 00:41:31
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No, not really.
If you're judging a zin-carla's effectiveness by Zaknafein's acts during Exile, remember that RAS wrote a lot of this before many things were developed.
Now, a zin-carla may be immune to mind control, but that says nothing about slave hordes, other psionic powers, divine spells from illithids of the Venerator creed, arcane spells, or straight out martial attacks from Tamer creed mind flayers(Keep in mind the power of the Illithid Body Tamer PrC.) |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 01:32:22
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| NOTE: The Illithid Body Tamer PrC is located in the Underdark tome, in case you didn't know. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 03:45:48
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What is the underdark tome???
and what are the statistics of a zin-carla,second edition ofcorse??
and what would the reasons for a drow city to attack another race?? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 02 Apr 2004 : 04:06:08
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Oh...You're playing 2nd Edition...Well, this changes things slightly.
Well, the stats for a 2e zin-carla can be found here. One of the downloads on that page is the Villain's Lorebook. Last I checked, that was what you want. |
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2004 : 02:45:33
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Thanks Arivia-
for the info you gave me plus the web site helped, but i need the other questions answered |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2004 : 06:19:35
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Originally posted by Richtin
What is the underdark tome???
If you mean the one Shadowlord mentioned, more information about it can be found here http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/885810000
There's also a thread on the Underdark book floating around the libary somewhere. Some research should enable you to find it including my notes on the "wonderful" artwork.
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and what would the reasons for a drow city to attack another race??
That list can be endless.
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Originally posted by Arivia
Oh, and go ahead, Sirius. And not to murk up another topic, yes, you did use it right.
Am I good or what?
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Richtin
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 03 Apr 2004 : 06:32:59
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| What i mean is, what would arouse the drow to take on an entire race!!trampled pride?? or mabey ,would they do it if lolth commanded it, without question????? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 03 Apr 2004 : 06:56:51
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Originally posted by Richtin
What i mean is, what would arouse the drow to take on an entire race!!trampled pride?? or mabey ,would they do it if lolth commanded it, without question?????
Truly, I cannot think of a reason for the drow to want to eradicate an entire race... |
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