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Diffan
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Posted - 24 May 2016 :  15:19:35  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

I'm thoroughly convinced at this point that they truly don't plan on doing d*ck with the 5e game anymore. Its sad, it has potential, and I'm starting to see a lot of young folks start roleplaying now (which I hadn't seen for a long time). They need to get off their butts and start producing stuff before their interest fades.



In terms of supplements, I doubt we'll see a change as the designers have said that a slower release schedule (like 2 books a year) is the likely path for the time being. A slower schedule means more time to enjoy the booKS you have plus really critique the supplementsame in-house prior to release (something both 3e and 4e failed here, IMO). And the unfortunate consequence is that there's less product to purchase this, less content. I feel this is why the DM guild has been given more freedom, because a lot of content people want can be found there.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 May 2016 :  16:11:46  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

I feel this is why the DM guild has been given more freedom, because a lot of content people want can be found there.



I agree -- I think another consideration behind the creation of that site was simply to take pressure off of WotC.

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moonbeast
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Posted - 25 May 2016 :  05:20:09  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thrasymachus

Also, never forget. People that play gnome/illusionists are bad people in real life. It’s true.



I play a gnome illusionist with psionic abilities. He talks like an Irish leprechaun.

You'd hate me in real life.

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Gyor
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Posted - 12 Jun 2016 :  16:06:55  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tieflings and Dragonborn are core as a peace offering for 4e fans, same with stuff like cantrips.

Tieflings and Dragonborn are major races in 5e still, Tiefling have their enlarged populations caused by Asmodeaus, plus are a major power in Unther and Mulhorand, and Dragonborn have Tymanther (which remains, including its largest cities, but terroritorially is reduced in size thanks to Unther's return), plus a refugee dispora from places like Returned Abeir throughout Faerun, plus given Unther's war on Abier against Dragonborn, they could have many Dragonborn slaves.

I think only the smallest, most isolated bergs would outright ban Dragonborn and Tiefkings, most people have met or heard about Tieflings and Dragonborn. Most normal people aren't going to mess with someone who can spit fire/poison/cold/lightening/acid not to mention the assorted magic and abilities of Tieflings.

Most bigots would just say stuff behind their back, where its safe.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 13 Jun 2016 :  11:02:17  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Umm, in my view most people would form into mobs and kill them. On sight. I've always thought having tieflings and dragonborn as core races was just pandering to the "I want a kewl class to play" group.

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BrianDavion
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Posted - 13 Jun 2016 :  11:54:23  Show Profile Send BrianDavion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I tend to be of that opinion too however it is plenty popular, I just started a D&D game, and my group consists of 2 teiflings, a dragonborn and a drow elf...
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Diffan
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Posted - 13 Jun 2016 :  14:13:31  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Tieflings and Dragonborn are core as a peace offering for 4e fans, same with stuff like cantrips.


....or after the survey they realized that unusual races like Tiefligs, Dragonborn, and Drow are pretty popular and wanted to keep them. 5e would need a LOT more as a peace offering to us 4e fans, despite the numerous mechanics (thematically speaking) they ended up using.

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

Tieflings and Dragonborn are major races in 5e still, Tiefling have their enlarged populations caused by Asmodeaus, plus are a major power in Unther and Mulhorand, and Dragonborn have Tymanther (which remains, including its largest cities, but terroritorially is reduced in size thanks to Unther's return), plus a refugee dispora from places like Returned Abeir throughout Faerun, plus given Unther's war on Abier against Dragonborn, they could have many Dragonborn slaves.

I think only the smallest, most isolated bergs would outright ban Dragonborn and Tieflings, most people have met or heard about Tieflings and Dragonborn. Most normal people aren't going to mess with someone who can spit fire/poison/cold/lightening/acid not to mention the assorted magic and abilities of Tieflings.

Most bigots would just say stuff behind their back, where its safe.



This, I agree with.

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Ayrik
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"What is that ... creature ... doing in the party?"

"It's called a human. According to ancient myths these things were once very numerous and - if the most truly outrageous tales are to be believed - their civilization covered the entire world and they ruled all other races."

"It looks rather weak and pathetic. And very bland. What can it do?"

"Well, nothing actually. It has no special abilities at all. That's the whole point. It's even wimpier than a kobold."

"How did it survive so long?"

"We're not entirely sure, to be honest. I think it just stubbornly refuses to die."

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Diffan
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Posted - 14 Jun 2016 :  04:56:04  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
that's pretty good.

I will say that the Human in 3e/3.5, Pathfinder, 4e, and 5e are pretty good.

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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 15 Jun 2016 :  06:56:09  Show Profile Send Shadowsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

quote:
Originally posted by Thrasymachus

Also, never forget. People that play gnome/illusionists are bad people in real life. It’s true.



I play a gnome illusionist with psionic abilities. He talks like an Irish leprechaun.

You'd hate me in real life.





Please be to god that it isn't one of those hollywood Irish accents.

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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 15 Jun 2016 :  07:01:24  Show Profile Send Shadowsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Umm, in my view most people would form into mobs and kill them. On sight. I've always thought having tieflings and dragonborn as core races was just pandering to the "I want a kewl class to play" group.

-- George Krashos



Going to have to agree with this. I don't believe the playtest survey because on the various websites I've seen many polls done that show those races on the bottom in popularity.

Thats the trouble with a survey. You can use it as a tool to make people think it's what the masses want and there is no way we can check to see if the results are true.

“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Jun 2016 :  17:46:20  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gnomes with bad Hollywood Irish accents can't be any worse than all those tieflings with bad Hollywood Dracula-Russian-Slavic accents.

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