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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 00:47:56
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And if they do it in novel format, who would you like to see write it? I think Elaine is the obvious choice, but there were several good authors from WotSQ who know the materiel. What do you think?
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Edited by - Fellfire on 20 Apr 2016 00:55:07
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 00:55:34
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Both Eilistraee and Vhaeraun are already back, and no longer enemies at that. But their return currently is a sentence in a sourcebook, and a mention in Ed's Spellstorm (and lore that Ed gave us through these forums).
If their return was to be explored in a novel, Elaine would be the obvious choice, as you say, but I would also want their creator (Ed) to be the one to make them justice. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 20 Apr 2016 00:57:03 |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 01:07:28
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| Can anybody point me to Ed's thoughts on the matter of the twins. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 01:19:13
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 01:38:08
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 01:38:12
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| With all due respect to Master Greenwood, I find his writing style to be...difficult. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 01:39:53
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| I would actually love if a book about Eilistraee and Vhaeraun returning was written by Elaine and Ed together. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 01:52:04
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Did they not collaberate on Waterdeep? I did not enjoy that one very much, the whole eye of the beholder graft-thingy really threw me.
Who else makes the all-star line-up for this entirely dreamed up concept? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 02:18:31
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Yes, they collaborated on City of Splendors. Were you thrown off by the style, or just by the content?
I proposed those two, because I love Elaine's writing, and I enjoy Ed's. They have a lot of knowledge/experience with the drow, and, as the creator of Eilistraee&Vhaeraun, Ed could really help making them come alive.
The only author left that could be interested in this, is Lisa Smedman. But IMO she really needs to cut the misandrism of the priestesses of Eilistraee (some sexism is obvious, given the background of most of them, but things like having traps for males on the doors of the priestesses' rooms in a shrine is just out of place), the ''females of Eilistraee, and males of Vhaeraun'' thingy that she had going on, males not being allowed in rituals (that's just false) and so on. That would be especially needed after the cooperation between Eilistraeeans and Vhaeraunites in LP, and considering that such cooperation has now been extended to the twins themselves. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 20 Apr 2016 02:19:04 |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 04:12:15
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Originally posted by Irennan
Yes, they collaborated on City of Splendors. Were you thrown off by the style, or just by the content?
I proposed those two, because I love Elaine's writing, and I enjoy Ed's. They have a lot of knowledge/experience with the drow, and, as the creator of Eilistraee&Vhaeraun, Ed could really help making them come alive.
The only author left that could be interested in this, is Lisa Smedman. But IMO she really needs to cut the misandrism of the priestesses of Eilistraee (some sexism is obvious, given the background of most of them, but things like having traps for males on the doors of the priestesses' rooms in a shrine is just out of place), the ''females of Eilistraee, and males of Vhaeraun'' thingy that she had going on, males not being allowed in rituals (that's just false) and so on. That would be especially needed after the cooperation between Eilistraeeans and Vhaeraunites in LP, and considering that such cooperation has now been extended to the twins themselves.
Honestly, it was both. I find Ed's style to jump around and push the envelope. None of those are bad things, per se, but sometimes I feel it jarring and think he could have packed more story into a limited pagecount. On the other hand, I think I smell a little of Ed's handiwork in Dreamspheres which I loved. His name is not on the byline, so it might just be my imagination. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 04:39:50
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| Who would you like to write this potential (albeit unlikely) novel? |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Lamora
Seeker
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 05:46:59
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| I would personally read anything Paul Kemp wrote. He really brought Shade, Mask, and Shar alive for me. Too bad he is gone :( Other than him, I would really like to see Elaine writing in the Realms again. The meta series really needs her back if only for another good author in the Realms since there are just way too few right now. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 13:16:33
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Can anybody point me to Ed's thoughts on the matter of the twins.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19841&whichpage=13#468322
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http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19841&whichpage=22#476639
In Spellstorm, Elminster says that Eilistraee is one of the deities with whom Mystra's currently sharing the Weave. The ''new'' Sword Coast sourcebook has Eilistraee and Vhaeraun as active deities as of the 1490s DR.
I read spellstorm, but I must admit to having missed that reference. Any chance you could quote it, because the part about "sharing" the weave is interesting. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 13:18:07
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Originally posted by Lamora
I would personally read anything Paul Kemp wrote. He really brought Shade, Mask, and Shar alive for me. Too bad he is gone :( Other than him, I would really like to see Elaine writing in the Realms again. The meta series really needs her back if only for another good author in the Realms since there are just way too few right now.
I obviously agree. But I've read in Ed's new magazine that the FR novel series is coming to a halt. The fact that RAS will supposedly be taking a pause from the Realms after Hero also makes me believe that this might be the last year for the Realms books.
"As is now becoming publicly obvious, the way (paraphrasing) WotC was publishing D&D (and the Realms setting), meant that new Realms lore was slowing to a trickle, compared to past years, and in particular the Realms novel publishing program was coming to an end'' Then the paragraph goes on, saying that while WotC hasn't abandoned the FR (the movie), it's their opening of the setting for the DMGuild that ''hands all us back a rich supply'' |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 13:23:01
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Can anybody point me to Ed's thoughts on the matter of the twins.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19841&whichpage=13#468322
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http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19841&whichpage=22#476639
In Spellstorm, Elminster says that Eilistraee is one of the deities with whom Mystra's currently sharing the Weave. The ''new'' Sword Coast sourcebook has Eilistraee and Vhaeraun as active deities as of the 1490s DR.
I read spellstorm, but I must admit to having missed that reference. Any chance you could quote it, because the part about "sharing" the weave is interesting.
Sure, it's easy to miss tbh.
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[...]Twas no easy thing, being the goddess of magic. A different deity than the rest, in a world so steeped in the Art, a divinity that had to care more for mortals, or embrace utter tyranny. And at the same time share the Weave - the Weave that was Mystra, as well as being so much more - with other deities, or what remained of them, like Eilistraee[...]
The mention makes more sense considering what Ed said about a lot of Eilistraee's power being trapped in the Weave with Qilué's soul after the latter was killed. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:21:17
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| I thought Rich Baker did an exemplary job depicting the subject matter, particularly the Jaezred Chaulsin in book 3 of the WotSQ. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:26:45
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| Yeah, I liked Condemnation too (the first two books were rather ''meh'' to me, I started to really dislike the plot from mid book 4, when that nonsensical sword was introduced), I think that I'd enjoy a book about E&V written by him. In any case, whoever was to write this hypothetical book, I think that Ed should participate in some way, even just consulting. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:33:43
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| Nonsensical sword? The dancing ring rapier? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:35:14
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| The Crescent Blade, and all the plot connected to it. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:36:15
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I thought that it was *very* far fetched, because:
1)It a cheesy narrative device IMO. An artifact crafted by a mere lesser goddess, capable of potentially killing everything but Ao... really? Also, Eilistraee--one of the, if not *the*, best sword-wielder in Toril and Multiverse, as goddess of swordplay--could've accompanied a group of trusted individuals to the demonweb and make quick work of Lolth with that thing--like that Vhaeraunite priest tried to do. Instead two random drow of low power, one of which a recent convert, and a very young/naive elf that sounded rather sickly--or frail, at least--from her description, were sent to basically be slaughtered... sigh
2)Soul-destroying sword has nothing to with Eilistraee's character (although the sword lost its soul-destroying porperty after being reforged in LP).
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:36:29
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Originally posted by Irennan
Yeah, I liked Condemnation too (the first two books were rather ''meh'' to me, I started to really dislike the plot from mid book 4, when that nonsensical sword was introduced), I think that I'd enjoy a book about E&V written by him. In any case, whoever was to write this hypothetical book, I think that Ed should participate in some way, even just consulting.
I know the overworked guy has better things to do besides traffic cop, but I believe he should be consulted on all things FR. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Edited by - Fellfire on 20 Apr 2016 17:37:11 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:38:06
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Originally posted by Fellfire
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Originally posted by Irennan
Yeah, I liked Condemnation too (the first two books were rather ''meh'' to me, I started to really dislike the plot from mid book 4, when that nonsensical sword was introduced), I think that I'd enjoy a book about E&V written by him. In any case, whoever was to write this hypothetical book, I think that Ed should participate in some way, even just consulting.
I know the overworked guy has better things to besides traffic cop, but I believe he should be consulted on all things FR.
Yes, Ed's extremely busy (even overloaded with work, I'd say), but his input should definitely be asked for anything FR. We've all seen what happens when his voice is ignored. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:39:14
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Originally posted by Irennan
The Crescent Blade, and all the plot connected to it.
That was the Lady Penitent, not WotSQ, unless it was foreshadowed and I missed it. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:40:47
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| No, the last part of book 4 is about Halisstra being chosen as the wielder of the Crescent Blade. No foreshadowing, she even goes to recover it. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:42:24
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Originally posted by Fellfire
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Originally posted by Irennan
The Crescent Blade, and all the plot connected to it.
That was the Lady Penitent, not WotSQ, unless it was foreshadowed and I missed it.
It's likely I just forgot about it. In which book was it introduced? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:43:15
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| Extinction. Halisstra has this whole subplot dedicated to her (a random new convert with a shaky faith...) being the ''chosen one''. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:49:24
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| Obviously I am forgetting the order in which the events of the stories take place. If she possesed the blade when V attacked Lolth's face, why did she not use it, or Quenthel? Better yet, give it to Selvetarm. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Edited by - Fellfire on 20 Apr 2016 17:51:00 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 17:52:58
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Obviously I am forgetting the order in which the events of the stories take place. If she possesed the blade when V attacked Lolth'face, why did she not use it, or Quenthel? Better yet give it to Selvetarm.
IIRC, Halisstra was prisoner of the elves of Elventree (when she firts met the followers of Eilistraee), when Vhaeraun attacked Lolth. She rejoined Quenthel's group later, then escaped with Ryld, then went to recover the sword.
The matter is that, pasting what I said, Eilistraee--one of the, if not *the*, best sword-wielder in Toril and Multiverse, as goddess of swordplay--could've accompanied a group of trusted individuals (like Qilué) to the Demonweb and make quick work of Lolth with that sword that she had crafted--like that Vhaeraunite priest tried to do. Instead two random drow of low power, one of which a recent convert, and a very young/naive elf that sounded rather sickly--or frail, at least--from her description, were sent to basically be slaughtered... |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 18:18:12
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| I would like to watch Ee battle Levistus |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Apr 2016 : 18:23:23
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Bastard Sword vs Rapier... The rapier is better suited for a duel, and has more reach than a bastard sword. But, being the goddess of swordwork, super agile and stuff, Eilistraee might very well compensate for it.
Out of curiosity, why this battle? |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 20 Apr 2016 18:26:52 |
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