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The Black Hand of Bane
Acolyte
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 Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 13:07:34
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I was wondering if anyone knew what the current order was for the throne in Cormyr?
In my campaign I plan to kill off Alusier, Azoun V, and Azoun IV's widow (I can't spell her name so I'm not going to try.) if my players can't stop a plot. Who would next be in line for the throne or would it leave it open between a large number of the nobles?
Thanks!
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 13:14:37
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| Sounds like a question to ask Mr. Greenwood himself. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 13:35:40
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Originally posted by The Black Hand of Bane
I was wondering if anyone knew what the current order was for the throne in Cormyr?
In my campaign I plan to kill off Alusier, Azoun V, and Azoun IV's widow (I can't spell her name so I'm not going to try.) if my players can't stop a plot. Who would next be in line for the throne or would it leave it open between a large number of the nobles?
Thanks!
I definitely would ask Mr. Greenwood in his author thread.
Going for a trifecta in one swoop?  Such an event, regardless of who else is legitimately in line, would definitely create a power shuffle. Perhaps it might plunge Cormyr into a state of civil war like it was in the not so distant past. Azoun IV had many illegitimate children. Perhaps someone might use one of them as a rally point to mask seizing power for themselves. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 00:06:01
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| I would think that it sounds as the most resonable assumption Sirius. Perhaps Sembia would like to sponsor a succesor as well. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 00:19:40
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| You'd likely have to kill of Caladnei, also, as I seem to remember a few times when the High Mage stepped in until a dispute like this was settled... |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 03:24:03
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Originally posted by Hymn
I would think that it sounds as the most resonable assumption Sirius. Perhaps Sembia would like to sponsor a succesor as well.
Oh yes, Sembia whether doing that or something else would have some plot after an upheaval like that. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 04:16:07
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While Mr. Greenwood surely has an answer, I've researched this topic quite a bit in dealing with the royal lineage, and can say without question that the sole known legitimate, recognized heir to the Dragon Throne is Alusair herself.
There are certainly royal descendants that are out there, both past and present, with legitimate claims to the throne that have either been forgotten, or are yet to be established. Both Duke Bhereu and Baron Thomdor were legitimate claimants- their great-grandmother Pelara was daughter to King Dhalmass- and it's doubtless that there is at least one royal in the last four hundred years (to say nothing of fourteen hundred) that has unaccounted for descendants with a legitimate claim.
Of course, such a claim would need to be established, but as far as even Alaphondar knows, such heirs are nowhere to be found. Establishing a legitimate claim would be at least as difficult as establishing the claim of illegitimate offspring of Azoun IV, requiring both magical evidence and loyal, armed support. Neither the Dowager Dragon Queen, Filfaeril, nor the Royal Magician, Caladnei, has any claim to the throne whatsoever, though the support of either or bother would be vital to any claimants case for assuming the throne after the deaths of Azoun V and his aunt Alusair. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 15:11:44
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
There are certainly royal descendants that are out there, both past and present, with legitimate claims to the throne that have either been forgotten, or are yet to be established. Both Duke Bhereu and Baron Thomdor were legitimate claimants- their great-grandmother Pelara was daughter to King Dhalmass-
Ah, yes, Bhereu and Thomdor. Never go hunting with a king is my motto. However, I'm curious, where did you find their link to King Dhalmass' daughter? I was fascinated in the past with exactly how these two were cousins to Azoun IV and never did find a connection.
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 19:24:11
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I'd love to be able to brag with an "I know something you don't know sort of comment," but this one's actually in official print. In the OBG (Old Gray Box; the 1st Edition, original Campain Setting release), on page 34 of the Cyclopedia of the Realms book, there is a short, immediate family tree of the Obarskyr family. From that family tree, one can learn Bhereu and Thomdor's relations to Azoun (they are third cousins), the royal relations' birth years (in Cormyr Reckoning), that Bhereu's wife is a woman named Maethe Blacksilver, and that they had no children. Had Bhereu and Maethe produced issue, that child would have had a legitimate claim on the throne, being the great-great grandchild of Dhalmass the Warrior King.
By contrast, if Baron Thomdor would have produced a child by the woman he "wronged... years ago" from Yuthgalaunt (see the opening sentences of Chapter 11 in Cormyr: A Novel), that child would, at best, have had its royal parentage severely questioned. Though partly legitimized by Thomdor's deathbed confession of the woman, it does not prove that any children she might bear would be Thomdor's, and there would be as much question as to their descent from the baron as there is for Beliard Brightblade being the bastard son of Azoun IV. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 02:24:57
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I'd love to be able to brag with an "I know something you don't know sort of comment," but this one's actually in official print. In the OBG (Old Gray Box; the 1st Edition, original Campain Setting release), on page 34 of the Cyclopedia of the Realms book, there is a short, immediate family tree of the Obarskyr family.
Thanks for the reference. I need to go look that up. I came in right before FR 2e came out. Thus, I can see why I missed that.
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By contrast, if Baron Thomdor would have produced a child by the woman he "wronged... years ago" from Yuthgalaunt (see the opening sentences of Chapter 11 in Cormyr: A Novel),
A memorable portion of that book. Very well written. |
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The Black Hand of Bane
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 13:19:41
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Wow! That was more information then I had even hoped for. It should give me a good basis to work with. I did have every intention of a civil war breaking out within Cormyr with the deaths of these important figures, just deciding on the path it should take when it is all over.
Anyone think I should still go and post it for Mr.Greenwood on his thread for additional input? |
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To reign is worth ambition, though in hell:
Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." John Milton, Paradise Lost
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 14:46:19
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Originally posted by The Black Hand of Bane
Wow! That was more information then I had even hoped for. It should give me a good basis to work with. I did have every intention of a civil war breaking out within Cormyr with the deaths of these important figures
Pick up Cormyr the novel if you get a chance. There is a chapter within that work detailing a time during Cormyr's past when the nation was having a civil war. It might give you some more ideas.
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The Black Hand of Bane
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 15:16:52
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| I actually have it..just haven't sat down with it yet. (I hate to admit I started flipping through Death of the Dragon before I even read COrmy or the High Forest) |
"Here we may reign secure; and in my choice
To reign is worth ambition, though in hell:
Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." John Milton, Paradise Lost
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The Gates of Hell?
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 15:59:42
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Originally posted by The Black Hand of Bane
I actually have it..just haven't sat down with it yet. (I hate to admit I started flipping through Death of the Dragon before I even read COrmy or the High Forest)
Nooooooooooooo!! STOP! Read Cormyr first! ...and its Beyond the High ROAD, not Forest  |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 16:27:25
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| Ooo, watch out, don't anger the Brit. He likes his Cormyr Saga about as much as I like my Evermeet and Elfshadow. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 19:58:16
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Ooo, watch out, don't anger the Brit. He likes his Cormyr Saga about as much as I like my Evermeet and Elfshadow.
LOL  Quite right, Bookwyrm. Although I grew to love Cormyr: A Novel, at first it was hard going but looking back its one amazing novel. As for Evermeet - the constant bashing I received from yourself and Arion Elenim MADE me love it 
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2004 : 03:43:21
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Originally posted by The Black Hand of Bane
I actually have it..just haven't sat down with it yet. (I hate to admit I started flipping through Death of the Dragon before I even read COrmy or the High Forest)
If you're going to do what you want to do to Cormyr, definitely pick up Cormyr, the novel. Besides that vivid chapter during Cormyr's last civil war, it will possibly give you even more ideas to use within your campaign. |
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Royal Family of Cormyr
