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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 02:57:34
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| Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 03:11:15
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Originally posted by Gyor
Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.
I understand your disappointment, but they obviously didn't kill off or dump Sharess or other exarchs/demigods that were known to be alive pre-Sundering.
Everything in that book seems to be bare-bone, save for the Sword Coast section (I don't know how detailed it is). |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 03:19:41
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Sweet water and light laughter |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 03:25:26
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Meh, I wish they'd put meat on the bare bones
I wish too, but I'm losing hope for any lore that goes beyond the very essential. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 06:15:41
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I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.
Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 24 Oct 2015 06:16:14 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 14:01:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.
Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.
Sorry Wooly, didn't mean to cause any potential troubles. May the map still be shared, or would it be better not to? |
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 16:33:31
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.
Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.
Sorry Wooly, didn't mean to cause any potential troubles. May the map still be shared, or would it be better not to?
Mike Schley said on Twitter the other day that he'd be making the big map available on his site Monday. I'm not sure if he meant as a print ordigital download, but either way it'll be a WotC sanctioned image. If Wooly isn't comfortable with the map being shared via screen shot/photo now, you'll have a legitimate link to share then. I'll try and stay on top of things and share the link as soon as I see it. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 16:39:54
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Originally posted by Delwa
Mike Schley said on Twitter the other day that he'd be making the big map available on his site Monday. I'm not sure if he meant as a print or digital download, but either way it'll be a WotC sanctioned image. If Wooly isn't comfortable with the map being shared via screen shot/photo now, you'll have a legitimate link to share then. I'll try and stay on top of things and share the link as soon as I see it.
Ok, thank you Delwa. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 17:14:39
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Originally posted by Delwa
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've removed a post from this thread. While I understand that people are already sharing content from the book in various ways, I should prefer that we not link to anything from the book unless it's something from WotC. I prefer to keep the collective backside covered.
Of course, discussing content and even posting properly attributed snippets of text is fine -- I'm just not comfortable with pictures of pages and such from 3rd party sources.
Sorry Wooly, didn't mean to cause any potential troubles. May the map still be shared, or would it be better not to?
Mike Schley said on Twitter the other day that he'd be making the big map available on his site Monday. I'm not sure if he meant as a print ordigital download, but either way it'll be a WotC sanctioned image. If Wooly isn't comfortable with the map being shared via screen shot/photo now, you'll have a legitimate link to share then. I'll try and stay on top of things and share the link as soon as I see it.
That works.  |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1628 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 22:33:26
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Gyor
Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.
I understand your disappointment, but they obviously didn't kill off or dump Sharess or other exarchs/demigods that were known to be alive pre-Sundering.
Everything in that book seems to be bare-bone, save for the Sword Coast section (I don't know how detailed it is).
Just curious, you could be right, but why do you day that. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 22:48:36
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Originally posted by Gyor
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Gyor
Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.
I understand your disappointment, but they obviously didn't kill off or dump Sharess or other exarchs/demigods that were known to be alive pre-Sundering.
Everything in that book seems to be bare-bone, save for the Sword Coast section (I don't know how detailed it is).
Just curious, you could be right, but why do you day that.
Because:
1)It is stated nowhere that the demigods were killed during the Sundering.
2)We know that at least 2 demigods, Selvetarm and Kiaransalee, have been restored. So restoring them and removing other demigods would make no sense whatsoever.
3)We know that the full Mulhorandi pantheon, probably including Bast, are now demigods ruling their land.
4)It would be a way to alienate more fans, while ganining nothing.
5)Almost every god that received significant lore/appearances since the ToT has been restored. From what I've gathered, few gods didn't make into that list. Sharess is one, but she's known to be alive, she could be included, as Bast, under the Mulhorandi gods, who were included in the book (also, as you say, Erin Evans mentions her, even if I don't recall in what context). I'm worried for Velsharoon and Savras, since they don't seem to appear anywhere in the book. |
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Edited by - Irennan on 24 Oct 2015 23:05:40 |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1628 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 23:30:53
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Spoiler alert
She was mentioned when Farideh was looking up the Symbol on a War Wizards soul that would show what God had Chosen, Sharess was one of the Gods she compared the symbol too. The Wizard was the Chosen of Azuth. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
1628 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2015 : 23:32:32
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 00:37:02
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Originally posted by Gyor
Does anyone else feel this way?
Nope. Haven't read the book yet. |
Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver). |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 20:06:15
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What was said in ''The Reaver'' about Lathander and Amaunator being the same seems to no longer be valid.
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Each Faerunian deity has a 3-4 paragraph blurb describing them, both are their own things. Amaunators talks about how he is the god of law and the sun, that he is seen as a stern and unforgiving god, not unlike Silvanus, also talking how people will swear oaths, sign contracts, and declaring laws under the light of the sun in veneration to him. It does mention that he has died and been reborn time and again.
Lathander is described as the god of spring, youth, vitality, renewal, and it specifically mentions that he is not a god of the sun but of the dawn, which is the start of a new day filled with potential.
Also, they are not described as being related, in any way.
EDIT: Thinking about it, the part about Amaunator having died and been reborn time and again, could refer to when Lathander took over, and that he currently answers to prayers directed to both Amaunator and Lathander. |
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Edited by - Irennan on 25 Oct 2015 20:12:06 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
110 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 21:31:44
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BenN
Senior Scribe
Japan
382 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 21:58:20
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Originally posted by Gambit
I have the book in front of me, you guys ask me anything you want, lore or crunch.
Any updates about the Moonshaes & Evermeet? |
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
110 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:03:14
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Originally posted by Gyor
Its not just Sharess that's left out, but most of the demigods. That's very disappointing, they were supposed to bring the Pantheons back, not dump the demigods.
I'm looking at both the 3E FRCS and SCAG right now, here is a breakdown of the Faerunian pantheon demigod deities (those who had a "D" next to their name in the FRCS) who both made the new book and those who were left out.
Included:
Gwaeron Windstrom
Hoar
Jergal
Red Knight
Sarvas
Valkur
Not included:
Finder Wyvernspur
Garagos
Gargauth
Lurue (though she is mentioned in the Mielikki section)
Nobanion
Sharess
Shiallia
Siamorphe
Ulutiu
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:03:41
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Originally posted by Gambit
I have the book in front of me, you guys ask me anything you want, lore or crunch.
Since I want to finish updating this page: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Eilistraee,
does the book say if Eilistraee is considered a demipower or a lesser power post-Sundering, what her divine realm and portfolio are? |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:18:05
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Originally posted by BenN
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Originally posted by Gambit
I have the book in front of me, you guys ask me anything you want, lore or crunch.
Any updates about the Moonshaes & Evermeet?
Both receive about a page and a half breakdown.
I honestly dont know much about the Moonshaes, it has never been a particular draw for myself within the setting, so I am therefore unaware of its status during 4E and what would have changed. It talks about the Fflok and the Northlanders, and the individual islands.
For Evermeet, basically it's back. It is whispered that it now straddles the 3 realms of Faerun, the Feywild, and Avandor, that it touches them all, but exists fully in none of them. To find it you must follow a pattern of stars until the stars change and then follow new stars. |
Edited by - Gambit on 25 Oct 2015 23:20:04 |
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:24:20
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Gambit
I have the book in front of me, you guys ask me anything you want, lore or crunch.
Since I want to finish updating this page: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Eilistraee,
does the book say if Eilistraee is considered a demipower or a lesser power post-Sundering, what her divine realm and portfolio are?
Gods aren't given official rank classifications. Here everything for her listing.
Eilistraee, CG goddess of song and moonlight.
Light and nature domains.
Symbol: Sword-wielding dancing drow female silhouetted against the full moon.
It seems only main "portfolios" are given in the list. For example, on the table it lists Lathander as the god of dawn and renewal, but under his multi paragraph description entry, it says he is "The god of spring, birth, and renewal, a deity of conception, vitality, youth, renewal, and self-perfection. He is not a god of the sun but of the dawn".
Overall things aren't super hard codified with regards to small details. |
Edited by - Gambit on 25 Oct 2015 22:35:12 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:30:47
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Originally posted by Gambit
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Gambit
I have the book in front of me, you guys ask me anything you want, lore or crunch.
Since I want to finish updating this page: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Eilistraee,
does the book say if Eilistraee is considered a demipower or a lesser power post-Sundering, what her divine realm and portfolio are?
Gods aren't given official rank classifications. Here everything for her listing.
Eilistraee, CG goddess of song and moonlight.
Light and nature domains.
Symbol: Sword-wielding dancing drow female silhouetted against the full moon.
So her portfolio has been reduced to song and moonlight? Or does it list more in her description under the race section re. the drow? Thanks for looking. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
110 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:33:47
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| I edited my previous post because I thought you might ask that, you just beat me to a follow up question. :P |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:38:44
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Originally posted by Gambit
I edited my previous post because I thought you might ask that, you just beat me to a follow up question. :P
Yes, I saw. But I don't get what you mean with super hard codified. Does it mean that no other portfolio beyond those two is mentioned in the other description (which I've been told should be in chapter 3). |
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Gambit
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:51:48
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Just looked, and here is her small blurb in the elven religion section.
"Some drow exiles have heard the song of Eilistraee, urging them out onto the surface to behold the moon as it rises. The drow goddess of song, beauty, swordwork, hunting, and moonlight, she is the patron of drow who reject the evils of their society, offering them light and hope."
That's all there is on her in the entire book. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 22:53:50
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Originally posted by Gambit
Just looked, and here is her small blurb in the elven religion section.
"Some drow exiles have heard the song of Eilistraee, urging them out onto the surface to behold the moon as it rises. The drow goddess of song, beauty, swordwork, hunting, and moonlight, she is the patron of drow who reject the evils of their society, offering them light and hope."
That's all there is on her in the entire book.
Thanks. So she has indeed lost the portfolio of Dance. Well, that's weird  |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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BenN
Senior Scribe
Japan
382 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 23:29:13
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Originally posted by Gambit
I honestly dont know much about the Moonshaes, it has never been a particular draw for myself within the setting, so I am therefore unaware of its status during 4E and what would have changed. It talks about the Fflok and the Northlanders, and the individual islands.
Thanks for your quick reply. Anything specifically about the realm of Sarifal on the island of Gwynneth? |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 23:54:08
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| Sucks that that is all we get for Eilistraee? What about Vhaeraun? And what does it say about Myth Drannor since Shade fell on it? |
Sweet water and light laughter |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 25 Oct 2015 : 23:58:42
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Sucks that that is all we get for Eilistraee? What about Vhaeraun? And what does it say about Myth Drannor since Shade fell on it?
If you look at the Dwarven gods in the preview that I linked, they get even less. Even Moradin seem to get about as much as Eilistraee, or less. Seems like that non human deities have just been included/restored in the current pantheon and then *briefly* described.
Human deities get something like 3-4 small pragraphs each, as far as I understand. |
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