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Markustay
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 19:44:40
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Adventurers kick-in doors, kill living, sentient beings, and take all their stuff.
They are Murder-Hobos, end of story. If you want to talk 'greater good' thats just spinning it so you don't feel guilty about what you're doing.
Remember, there are a lot more princesses laying around then dragons - its okay to lose a few, because dragons are an endangered species.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 20:12:32
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
well the rest of the party is each doing his own intrest, the other one is a Drow Rouge Arcane Tricketsr who escaped the underdark, he and i are partners - he is the face of the party for dealing with not so nice people. there is also a half elf paladin noble who is Xals romantic partner and is played by my girl friend in real life. she is the face of the party for dealing with most people. also there is a wizard who latched along by chance to find more magic but he saw a nufiks and now wants out of adventuring and discovering magic. intrestingly everything there was an arcana knowledge check Xal beat him - though mostly by lucky dice rolls. Xal is the guy who talks buisness, giving arguments figures intrest rates the works, he never uses charisma checks for that, only him giving reasons, i did once do an intelligence check on the finical figures. and an integinace check to see how clear the presentation was.
but Xal is definalty the leader of the party, integrating the long term and giving tasks and orginizing the efforts on the short term. mostly through uniting abstractions with practical problems.
secondly im not aware of anyone with the same kind of buisness savey as Xal, i mean most people see an adventure as a kill - grab bag - run. i see it as an investment opportunity. making me merchant first and adventurer second.
I hope there is more to your business savvy than the one-off investment you described in the prior post.
Doing the occasional investment does not make you a merchant. If your character spends more time adventuring, then he is an adventurer, first.
If your character was all about the business savvy and being a merchant, he'd not have time for adventuring. He'd likely not even have levels, because he'd be busy running his businesses and handling his investments. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 20:15:29
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Originally posted by Markustay
Adventurers kick-in doors, kill living, sentient beings, and take all their stuff.
They are Murder-Hobos, end of story. If you want to talk 'greater good' thats just spinning it so you don't feel guilty about what you're doing.
Remember, there are a lot more princesses laying around then dragons - its okay to lose a few, because dragons are an endangered species.
dont give a damn about the greater good, secondly the greater good is nothing but pure and blantent evil.
im doing it for me and i plan to make a lot of money of it. now u might not know this but there is no real way to make money without helping people, after all whos dumb enough to work agianst his intrest?
As the westerns say "some men need a killing", and certanly a lot of people in FR setting do. bandits, cultist, raiders, robbers.
i had a bandit interogated and then i aimed a cross bow at his face, he screamed 'no, no!' and i shot the bow and he died. didnt even feel bad about it. he did not deserve to live. if he choose to be evil he sided with death, im just getting him closer to it. dont tell me he did want to live, fear of death is not the same as wanting to live, light is not the abscence of darkness. if he did want to live he would live as a man not a parasite stealing from others who do choose to live like productive creatures, like man lives.
in that sense evil is not the same as a worm. a worm has no choice of being a worm, the evil does and is much worse. Xal feels the same as killing an evil man as with killing a fly.
if you think killing being is inhertly evil then u are only hindering the good from stoping evil and an accesory to thier evil. Like Edmund Bruke said "all that is needed for evil to succed is for good men to do nothing". the men stoping the good men from stoping the good by treating everyone the same is part of the evil.
im not a murder hobo im a man who takes care of civilization and the things that keep mine and your existence above mud hovels and stravation possible. THATS A HERO, not some morally stunted degenerate who gets affection for his flaws.in that sense i am a man that makes life possible, a hero.
secondly i do take thier stuff because thats much better then it laying there but if there is way to know to whom it belongs i will give it to its rightful owner, its usually merchants i work with. also i never touch one part of the merchants property, this in turn makes me very well liked by merchants for showing respect for property.
btw i dont give a damn about endangered spieces one way or another, the only animal i care about is man (meaning man-dwarfs- halflings-elfs...)
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 20:22:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar.
I hope there is more to your business savvy than the one-off investment you described in the prior post.
Doing the occasional investment does not make you a merchant. If your character spends more time adventuring, then he is an adventurer, first.
If your character was all about the business savvy and being a merchant, he'd not have time for adventuring. He'd likely not even have levels, because he'd be busy running his businesses and handling his investments.
yes and no, he simply uses adventuring to find the best investments that only he can do. looking for items that might help a wizard's research that in turn makes a new product possible, or makes the production of steel much cheaper by expolring a Dwarven mine, or even getting a mine back to functional condition by 'cleaning it out'. leading security measures agianst bandits and thus making people who work for him more trusting and loayl.
something else he does is save people from evil people and offer them employment in his enterprise, usually leaving them in much better economical conditions then before.
he chooses his adventures based on buisness but he does act like a CEO. he reads reports, plans expansions, sends resources from one place to another. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 20:49:45
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar.
I hope there is more to your business savvy than the one-off investment you described in the prior post.
Doing the occasional investment does not make you a merchant. If your character spends more time adventuring, then he is an adventurer, first.
If your character was all about the business savvy and being a merchant, he'd not have time for adventuring. He'd likely not even have levels, because he'd be busy running his businesses and handling his investments.
yes and no, he simply uses adventuring to find the best investments that only he can do. looking for items that might help a wizard's research that in turn makes a new product possible, or makes the production of steel much cheaper by expolring a Dwarven mine, or even getting a mine back to functional condition by 'cleaning it out'. leading security measures agianst bandits and thus making people who work for him more trusting and loayl.
something else he does is save people from evil people and offer them employment in his enterprise, usually leaving them in much better economical conditions then before.
he chooses his adventures based on buisness but he does act like a CEO. he reads reports, plans expansions, sends resources from one place to another.
Again, nope. If he was acting like a CEO, he'd be delegating the adventuring and such to others, and making better use of his time by running his businesses. CEOs don't work in the mailroom or go out into the field, they stay home and pay others to do all that. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 20:57:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar.
I hope there is more to your business savvy than the one-off investment you described in the prior post.
Doing the occasional investment does not make you a merchant. If your character spends more time adventuring, then he is an adventurer, first.
If your character was all about the business savvy and being a merchant, he'd not have time for adventuring. He'd likely not even have levels, because he'd be busy running his businesses and handling his investments.
yes and no, he simply uses adventuring to find the best investments that only he can do. looking for items that might help a wizard's research that in turn makes a new product possible, or makes the production of steel much cheaper by expolring a Dwarven mine, or even getting a mine back to functional condition by 'cleaning it out'. leading security measures agianst bandits and thus making people who work for him more trusting and loayl.
something else he does is save people from evil people and offer them employment in his enterprise, usually leaving them in much better economical conditions then before.
he chooses his adventures based on buisness but he does act like a CEO. he reads reports, plans expansions, sends resources from one place to another.
Again, nope. If he was acting like a CEO, he'd be delegating the adventuring and such to others, and making better use of his time by running his businesses. CEOs don't work in the mailroom or go out into the field, they stay home and pay others to do all that.
i know CEO's that personally look over and even participate in research and development IE Steve Jobs and the Early Bill Gates.
also i know a many heads of choclate companies that go on expedetions to find new breeds of chcolate, venturing into wild tropics to find it.
this is the thing, adventuring is the best use of his time, for one reason: almost no one else can do it, and he has to see the prospect with his own eyes to see what hes dealing with. the rest of the time he finds people that are good at managing his established ventures. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 21:17:53
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I wasn't aware there was such an absence of adventurers, in the Realms.
I also fail to see how a merchant's best use of time is to not be running his business, and thus not be making money. Clearly, your understanding of how to be a merchant is very different from anything else I have ever read or seen, in fiction or in person. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 21:35:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wasn't aware there was such an absence of adventurers, in the Realms.
I also fail to see how a merchant's best use of time is to not be running his business, and thus not be making money. Clearly, your understanding of how to be a merchant is very different from anything else I have ever read or seen, in fiction or in person.
the thing is that if u venture into somewhere that is filled with monsters you gain the lease on that property, now property is very expenisve. buying the deed to a fresh mine is much much more expensive then clearing out an abandoned mine. since there are plentyful slavers in FR then there is always enough people to libierate and offer employment. now why not pay someone to do it? well that might free up more time to run the buisness but a lot of money would go to hireing adventurers and you never know if they really gave you all the treasures in the dungeon, i dont think you can find any adventures that will go in a dungeon and not take the loot. now the loot is a huge part of the starting capital. also Xal is not one to really on security from other people, hes the first one to rush to battle to protect his enterprise. sure employing some adventurers might be usefull in the future but he sure can not afford them now.
also until he has vertical integration running the buisness would be much harder. if he can ensure the demand for all the chain of production for one product thats much easier then dealing with 15 diffrent demands. i dont know of anyone in real life now that does vertical integration or in FR setting who got the economical concept.
so far the cheapest way to get vertical integration is to simply acquire as many properties as he can. rather then managing the ones he has now.
for people like him look at Henry Ford, Rockefeller, Caranagie for vertical integration. for CEOS who were always on the field look at JJ Hill - who personally went on expeditions to find the shortest routes for trains. Sam Walton who flew his own jet to Walmart stores to check up on them rather then having meetings. Thomas Edison who was at the front of Research and Development of General Electric. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 21:37:17
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| remember now he doesnt have the money to pay people, instead of hiring a laborer to get stuff he can use his skill as a labober from working in the half-orc quarters in Amn, hard work but saves money. the same with Magic to. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 21:42:31
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Again, your understanding of these things does not match up with anything I've ever seen elsewhere.
And since that has been the recurring theme of this thread, I am going to decline further participation. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 21:47:14
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Again, your understanding of these things does not match up with anything I've ever seen elsewhere.
And since that has been the recurring theme of this thread, I am going to decline further participation.
well what have you seen that contridictcs this?
if you want my credentials i actually made money from a venture i took |
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 22:21:09
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Alright, i've lurked around this topic for a while without posting but i think we can all use a little pause and an attempt at taking this thread back to a more reasonable track.
So, Xal, what level is your character now? At what level did you start your campaign? If the campaign is already going, why come here to ask if your character "is possible" in the Realms? Since you're already running a Realms campaign and your DM let your character concept in, this whole thread seems futile.
Beside the technical details of your character concept, i would like to ask you to be more clear about the character origin: who are his parents? How did they met? Where did all of this happen? Why and how did they end up in a relationship?
In short, i would like to know everything you created for the character background so far, because for a character concept like this one, the background is way more central to character development than ability scores. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 22:53:18
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now im level 2, i started at level 1.
i wanted to see what will it involve from the setting to make it realistic and orderly. all the gaming group respects the realms and hates to see contridictions in a story.
His father is Arrakk of the Moonsea- an orc, his mother is Ava Nightstar of the Nightstar House of Evermeet.
His father fought agianst the enemies of Myth Dannor, he was a brilliant fighter curing courage and resourcefulness from all around him. He was smart for an orc - and also for any humanoid. In one battle he saved it from a botch by a pridefull elf noble. The noble smeared it that Arrakk botched it and he saved it. He was given to be the noble's house guard, he was treated as a slave. The wife of the noble, Ava, fell in love with him for his character and courage.
They had sex believing that an offspring would be impsoible, in fact they were wrong. Whether it was either Gruumsh and Corelleon turning a blind eye or perhaps wanting to see what side will win over in a being, or it might be some human blood in them.
Now they had to run away, Ava's house will be disgraced and Arrakk will be killed or worse.
They faked their deaths and went to live in the more tolerant kingdoms in FR, from Agroland to Veskaa to Amn and Silverymoon. They pretended that Arrakk was her bodyguard, or her slave. Alas one look at the boy tunred them in. They lived on the outskirts of towns usually or in the worst parts of that town. Xal did play with children at a young age, as he grew more bigotry he felt, up to age 4 he played with all the children, to age 9 only with half elfs and half orcs. at age 11 they had to move away from threats to him. at that age his mother thought him elven lore and magic and his father told him stories and trained him in fighting.
at 13 he arrived at Amn, his father passed as a half orc and he worked in the labor district cordinating muscular efforts with his knowledge of mechanics. Xal worked there to.
At age 18 they were found by a the noble who was to marry Ava. They fled. One day the noble and forces of the Elreth Veltuurha cought them. Arrakk challneged the noble to a duel, he bested him even in his old age of 50. The noble called his spelldancers to attack. Arrakk and Ava and Xal fought well alas with one plunge of a longsword to Arrakk's side he was filled with the restless rage orc's are known to have before dying. Yet it was not a rage, his eyes were filled with tears. His wife saw his state and overchannled a spell that killed all spelldancers and forced the noble to transport back to Evermeet. Arrakk's body tackled Xal and he offered protection from the spell.
Xal awoke later that day and found only his fathers Axe and his mothers Moonstone there.
He took his sole 2 possesions and left for Waterdeep. |
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Aldrick
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 22:56:51
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Wow. That is such a bad idea on Xal's part, to allow other people to run his ventures for him. The fact that he is a half-breed abomination in the eyes of most people, who hangs around with a Drow...  ...
I would basically just have all the people you "hired" claim ownership of your properties and ventures. You could produce all the deeds and claims that you want, but no one would care due to his race and low Charisma. If you attacked the people who stole your business, especially if you killed them, then you would be marked a criminal and would be hunted as a result.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 23:28:57
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Meh. Bred, born, forged, built, grown, cloned, whatever. The origins of a hero are of little consequence. What matters is that he can be bought. Merchants are easily owned by gold. Adventurers are easily manipulated into mercenaries.
But I must say, sir, what in the Nine Hells are you thinking?!?! Betray Gruumsh? Actively proselytize anti-Gruumsh propaganda? You see yourself on a mission (well, actually on many missions) to oppose the Sleepless One from taking what is rightfully his?
Haha, too much frolicky flowery elf-blood tainting your thinking. Easily changed by the first handful of orc marauders you meet. |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 00:37:34
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Fellfire
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 00:56:54
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''also i know a many heads of choclate companies that go on expedetions to find new breeds of chcolate, venturing into wild tropics to find it.''
All beware the Chocolate Dragon venturing from it's tropical habitat in late fall to pillage the bags of trick or treaters the world 'round |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 01:14:56
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ROFLMSFAO
Yeah. That's about the point where this thread devolved from an argument to a parody of one. Also, you're one post from 1337 posts. Spend it wisely.
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 02:02:27
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Originally posted by Fellfire
''also i know a many heads of choclate companies that go on expedetions to find new breeds of chcolate, venturing into wild tropics to find it.''
All beware the Chocolate Dragon venturing from it's tropical habitat in late fall to pillage the bags of trick or treaters the world 'round
flies carrying a disease that no doctor has ever conviced to be possible or has an idea how to cure is whats there. much more dagnerous then a dragon, and much more painfull death. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 02:11:47
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Wow. That is such a bad idea on Xal's part, to allow other people to run his ventures for him. The fact that he is a half-breed abomination in the eyes of most people, who hangs around with a Drow... ...
I would basically just have all the people you "hired" claim ownership of your properties and ventures. You could produce all the deeds and claims that you want, but no one would care due to his race and low Charisma. If you attacked the people who stole your business, especially if you killed them, then you would be marked a criminal and would be hunted as a result.
You are setting yourself up to be screwed. Hard.
ha! that would be funny, if they claim it for themselves thell go bankrupt and hungry in a week. without my ideas on what to do for the place it will become a worthless land in the middle of nowhere agian. also i wont need to attack them, ill just have to tell other merchants about thier buisness ethic and watch them reduced to beggers. and when they will ill take back my property.
if you want to see what happens when the "workers" take the means of production look at the economical anemia of Soviet Russia.
also if theres no law to enforce property and its rule by brute strength then im sure ill win anyways since i really am the most dangerous man to cross (i beat a barbrian PC when me and him were lvl 20), not that will be worth my time.
well the Drow, Quilith, is useful to have around. if i ever find an enemy that is captured Quilith intergotaes him, he threatens that he will make him into a Drider or sell him to Underdark slavers. so he can leverage that fear to his advantage. secondly most people heard of Drizzt so its not inconceivable that there might be a good Drow.
Also we have with us a Paladin of Tymora with a cha of 17 and shes Xal's girlfriend ((yeah!)also shes played by my GF in real life(double yeah)) and a half-elf noble. so people assume were on the level mostly because of her. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 02:24:18
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Meh. Bred, born, forged, built, grown, cloned, whatever. The origins of a hero are of little consequence. What matters is that he can be bought. Merchants are easily owned by gold. Adventurers are easily manipulated into mercenaries.
But I must say, sir, what in the Nine Hells are you thinking?!?! Betray Gruumsh? Actively proselytize anti-Gruumsh propaganda? You see yourself on a mission (well, actually on many missions) to oppose the Sleepless One from taking what is rightfully his?
Haha, too much frolicky flowery elf-blood tainting your thinking. Easily changed by the first handful of orc marauders you meet.
actually i was in a fight agianst an orc muarading camp. i bought a horse and armored him with ring mail barding. i got the money from wise investments. charged a few of them and even impaled 2 with the same lance charge, then drove them into an ambush. not too hard to fight orcs, espically since from a far i look orcish and speak orcish. also most of them are either stupid or short sighted.
if a hero can be bought hes not a hero but a lousy, little excuse for a man. |
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BenN
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 02:44:14
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Originally posted by Fellfire
''also i know a many heads of choclate companies that go on expedetions to find new breeds of chcolate, venturing into wild tropics to find it.''
All beware the Chocolate Dragon venturing from it's tropical habitat in late fall to pillage the bags of trick or treaters the world 'round
Also, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not, in fact, a documentary. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 02:59:11
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Originally posted by BenN
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''also i know a many heads of choclate companies that go on expedetions to find new breeds of chcolate, venturing into wild tropics to find it.''
All beware the Chocolate Dragon venturing from it's tropical habitat in late fall to pillage the bags of trick or treaters the world 'round
Also, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not, in fact, a documentary.
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Aldrick
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 03:15:32
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
ha! that would be funny, if they claim it for themselves thell go bankrupt and hungry in a week. without my ideas on what to do for the place it will become a worthless land in the middle of nowhere agian. also i wont need to attack them, ill just have to tell other merchants about thier buisness ethic and watch them reduced to beggers. and when they will ill take back my property.
if you want to see what happens when the "workers" take the means of production look at the economical anemia of Soviet Russia.
Actually, they could easily sell it to other merchants or business folk. They could walk away with a high profit off your property, and of course the merchant who buys it from them would be the "legitimate' owner. However, even if they kept it you are making outrageous assumptions of your own level of competence in relation to others.
It is literally zero difficulty for a DM to give an NPC the level of competence necessary to be more successful than your PC could have ever hoped to be with the business and property. In fact, doing so would be a fantastic thing to do, because it would goad your character into a rivalry with said NPC. Your character has a giant ego, and one of the ways to manipulate him into taking action is to find ways to attack said ego.
As for telling other merchants about them, they would not care. No one cares what a half-orc half-elf has to say about anything, especially one with 8 CHA.
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also if theres no law to enforce property and its rule by brute strength then im sure ill win anyways since i really am the most dangerous man to cross (i beat a barbrian PC when me and him were lvl 20), not that will be worth my time.
Depending on where the property is located, it is likely governed by some form of law. It is just that the law would be biased against your PC due to his race, and would work against you. And of course, if you attempted to use brute force to take it back, then everyone would quickly learn of the deed. It is a perfect way for you to play right into stereotypes, and remove all doubt anyone might have about your character--proving that he is nothing more than a savage beast deserving of swift death. He would then be hunted as a result of his murder--even if the murder is technically justified since he was robbed.
This is why it is a great way for a DM to screw around with your character and challenge him.
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well the Drow, Quilith, is useful to have around. if i ever find an enemy that is captured Quilith intergotaes him, he threatens that he will make him into a Drider or sell him to Underdark slavers. so he can leverage that fear to his advantage. secondly most people heard of Drizzt so its not inconceivable that there might be a good Drow.
Yeah, I am sure that helps your groups reputation. Nothing like hanging out with a drow who is deliberately playing into the worst fears people have of his race.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
Also we have with us a Paladin of Tymora with a cha of 17 and shes Xal's girlfriend ((yeah!)also shes played by my GF in real life(double yeah)) and a half-elf noble. so people assume were on the level mostly because of her.
I can only assume your DM is incredibly generous. First, because I was not aware that Tymora could have Paladins, considering that she is a highly chaotic deity. However, setting that aside, the fact that said Paladin can hang around in a group with a drow threatening people, and your PC savagely murdering prisoners... yeah, that Paladin should have fallen. Second, the moment people find out that she is hanging around with a Drow and an Orc-Elf, her reputation is not going to be worth squat. Third, the moment people learn that she is actually having sex with said Orc-Elf, they are going to be disgusted by her. Forth, she is a half-breed herself, and half-elves also face some degree of discrimination. Although, admittedly less than Half-Orcs.
Yeah, your DM is extremely generous to you. Far more generous than I would be. By this point your entire group would be chased around by pitchforks and torches. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 03:20:26
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Meh. Bred, born, forged, built, grown, cloned, whatever. The origins of a hero are of little consequence. What matters is that he can be bought. Merchants are easily owned by gold. Adventurers are easily manipulated into mercenaries.
But I must say, sir, what in the Nine Hells are you thinking?!?! Betray Gruumsh? Actively proselytize anti-Gruumsh propaganda? You see yourself on a mission (well, actually on many missions) to oppose the Sleepless One from taking what is rightfully his?i
Haha, too much frolicky flowery elf-blood tainting your thinking. Easily changed by the first handful of orc marauders you meet.
actually i was in a fight agianst an orc muarading camp. i bought a horse and armored him with ring mail barding. i got the money from wise investments. charged a few of them and even impaled 2 with the same lance charge, then drove them into an ambush. not too hard to fight orcs, espically since from a far i look orcish and speak orcish. also most of them are either stupid or short sighted.
if a hero can be bought hes not a hero but a lousy, little excuse for a man.
Jeez. And my 9th level ranger/bard was struggling to buy a Masterwork Longbow. Maybe if my DM didn't overcharge me for all those rare and exotic poisons. I must be doing it wrong. Wee, wee, wee all the way home
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Lyiat
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 03:47:45
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| Someone explain to me how a level 2 fighter impaled two enemies in a single charge with only one attack per round? Seems to me someone is fudging rules... |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 04:01:05
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Originally posted by Lyiat
Someone explain to me how a level 2 fighter impaled two enemies in a single charge with only one attack per round? Seems to me someone is fudging rules...
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
214 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 04:31:56
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Originally posted by Aldrick
[quote]Originally posted by Xal Valzar
first u have no idea how buisnessmen do buisness. if someone would attempt that shady a manuever he would still loose proftis from the sheer time it would take to figure how the business i set up works.
so no it doesnt take zero difficulty, he needs to make up stuff about him getting trial and error that even divine intervention might not tell him.
also if he detours to that theft hes reputation would be ruined. people will notice a quick change in management and the fact that i can tell them all that happened in the business from a certain point, before that point the current manager knows nothing.
secondly i told you this already MONEY not race talks. a merchant with half a brain will realize that people tell the truth regardless of their race. and if he misses the truth he might lose money, and merchants always want to make money. i said this a few times already.
if people intend to say that im a savage for retaliating my property the only thing i can do is leave them to their mess, or simply go around and tell the rest of my merchant colleges that the town has no no principled law for property rights. they might take it from because i am an elf-orc, tomorow they might take it from you because you are from Amn or what not. then they wont see one outside venture in their life and result to meagerly internal trading without the benefit of large size mercantilism.
thats the thing about a reputation, one confirmed and validated blunder and ur out of business. i said this a few times already.
i told you only BAD people get the fear end. also most of the time those people end up dead.
ill be honest, i forgot what god she worships (dont tell me GF that because she really likes that god). secondly shes an avenging paladin, she lives the cold merciless justice part, heck i think thats what made her fall for me in the first place. agian the drow only threatns bad people and she really loves watching evil about to piss its pants.
and she worships an elven diety (i think, doesnt change it anyways) and the drow was a worshiper of Elisterre, the godess of good drows, a diety much loved by Corellon, her father. so far my reputation is of the man who kills looters and makes production possible.
Third, its none of anyone's business whats our relationship.
fourth half elfs are seen well because they are very gracefull and buitiful, her in particular. also half elves are seen as diplomats since they seem to be both on this side and this side but not commited.
i would not want to visit ur setting because it seems to make no sense and the exact opposite how merchants and trade works in real life. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
214 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 04:32:50
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Jeez. And my 9th level ranger/bard was struggling to buy a Masterwork Longbow. Maybe if my DM didn't overcharge me for all those rare and exotic poisons. I must be doing it wrong. Wee, wee, wee all the way home
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BenN
Senior Scribe
Japan
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 05:17:37
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Xal Valzar -
I have been a businessman for more than 20 years, and I do not think you have much basis for your assertions about how it all works in the real world.
The foundation of business is not money; its trust, between buyer & seller, and between both and the institutions (laws, government) that regulate them.
In the Realms, we can take it as a given that the rule of law (particularly regarding property and commerce) is patchy at best. Non-existent in many places, and subject to the whims of princes & lords in many others.
Therefore, the importance of trust between buyer & seller becomes even more important; if there is no guarantee that the law of the land will protect me from being swindled by you, how can I protect myself? Either by threat of force, or by cultivating a relationship of trust.
The fact that your character will be viewed as an abomination by many, has a low charisma, and consorts with drow would mean that, in the 'real-world' Realms, you would have an extremely hard time trying to develop such business relationships. Unless of course you're the only merchant for miles around (unlikely), or you're selling something that noone else can offer (if so, what is it?). |
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