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Aldrick
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 Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 05:21:54
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
first u have no idea how buisnessmen do buisness.
You are laughably wrong. I actually run a business in real life.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
if someone would attempt that shady a manuever he would still loose proftis from the sheer time it would take to figure how the business i set up works.
so no it doesnt take zero difficulty, he needs to make up stuff about him getting trial and error that even divine intervention might not tell him.
It depends on what you were trying to do, and whether or not the NPC wants to take things in the same direction. You are forgetting that a DM has the power to pretty much do anything they want. If the DM wants he can make the NPC a business genius, the likes of which the Realms has never before seen. That means said NPC would think up things your character never even dreamed up, and would be successful at ventures that your character would pass up as he would deem them unprofitable.
The DM's power in this regard is pretty much limitless. The entire point would be to create an NPC that actually challenges your character, and to build animosity as a creditable antagonist to the group. What better way to do that than have said NPC steal your property, get away with it, and then be immensely successful as a result. I can tell that you would find it INCREDIBLY difficult to resist retaliation, which is exactly what I would want, so that I could further increase the pressure on you and your group.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
also if he detours to that theft hes reputation would be ruined. people will notice a quick change in management and the fact that i can tell them all that happened in the business from a certain point, before that point the current manager knows nothing.
secondly i told you this already MONEY not race talks. a merchant with half a brain will realize that people tell the truth regardless of their race. and if he misses the truth he might lose money, and merchants always want to make money. i said this a few times already.
You clearly do not understand how racism works, or even how people tend to work in general. I would encourage you to go out into the real world, meet real people in business, and realize just how normal most of them really are... with all the hangups and failures of the rest of the population. That is just how culture works.
People very well may recognize that he stole the business from you. The reality is that most people just would not care. That is what racism is like. He screwed you over. People would pat him on the back. Good for him, they'd say, that guy was a freak of nature.
Now, of course, if you start waving money in front of other merchants to screw over the NPC who screwed you... then yes, money in that case might talk. You'd have a hard time with it with your 8 Charisma, but I would not rule it out. It just means you'd have to buy them off in order to get the loyalty you desire, because the system itself is unfair and biased against you, as are most of the people in it. That is what you signed up for when you selected your race.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
if people intend to say that im a savage for retaliating my property the only thing i can do is leave them to their mess, or simply go around and tell the rest of my merchant colleges that the town has no no principled law for property rights. they might take it from because i am an elf-orc, tomorow they might take it from you because you are from Amn or what not. then they wont see one outside venture in their life and result to meagerly internal trading without the benefit of large size mercantilism.
However, as you venture outside of that area and warn others, they have no reason to believe you. You are, after all, an elf-orc with 8 charisma. Not to mention the fact that you travel with a Drow.
Just getting to meet with those merchants would be difficult, unless you already have pre-established connections or can bribe your way to them. And even if you bribed your way to them, then that does not mean they would listen or care about anything you had to say.
And of course, if they found out about your drow ally, they would likely string you both up in the village square.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
thats the thing about a reputation, one confirmed and validated blunder and ur out of business. i said this a few times already.
You can repeat it as many times as you want. It would not matter, because most people would not care due to your race and low charisma.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
i told you only BAD people get the fear end. also most of the time those people end up dead.
It does not matter. The Paladin Code protects everyone. If someone is taken prisoner, they cannot be executed unjustly. It does not matter how horrible or evil they are, the Paladin Code explicitly forbids the murder of prisoners. They must stand trial in the proper court of law (whatever that may be in the land), and then if found guilty they may be executed as a result.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
secondly shes an avenging paladin, she lives the cold merciless justice part, heck i think thats what made her fall for me in the first place. agian the drow only threatns bad people and she really loves watching evil about to piss its pants.
It does not sound like your girlfriend understands what a Paladin does in D&D, or how the class differs... she does understand the Paladin Code, right? This was explained? Does she even realize that paladins can fall from grace for violating that code?
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
and she worships an elven diety (i think, doesnt change it anyways) and the drow was a worshiper of Elisterre, the godess of good drows, a diety much loved by Corellon, her father. so far my reputation is of the man who kills looters and makes production possible.
She likely worships Corellon, as I believe he does allow for Paladins. As for the Drow... it does not really matter who he worships. Clergy of Eilistraee in particular would condemn him for his actions, or they should--at least. After all, he is playing to the worst stereotypes of their race, and that makes it worse for all Drow everywhere trying to leave Lolth behind. His actions actively undermine the faith of Eilistraee.
It does not really matter how bad the people are... he is a drow, and any who witness him do this and live are going to be spreading this information around. This in turn pretty much ensures people viewing him as no different than any other Drow, and by extension, viewing the rest of the group as Drow-lovers.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
Third, its none of anyone's business whats our relationship.
fourth half elfs are seen well because they are very gracefull and buitiful, her in particular. also half elves are seen as diplomats since they seem to be both on this side and this side but not commited.
Sure, the relationship your girlfriend's PC has with your PC may not be anyone's business, but that does not mean people will not make it their business. That is just how people are sometimes--they like to gossip.
How half-elves are seen is based on where they happen to be located. A half-elf in Sembia or Tethyr would be treated very poorly. A half-elf in Silverymoon or Waterdeep would likely not be worthy of attention--either positive or negative. It depends on what peoples views on Elves or Humans are, as well as the feelings on inter-species relationships.
It is not hard for half-elves to find themselves discriminated against if they venture to certain lands. They do not have it anywhere near as bad as half-orcs, though.
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
i would not want to visit ur setting because it seems to make no sense and the exact opposite how merchants and trade works in real life.
I can only assume that you have no real world experience in dealing with people in business. I can tell you from personal experience that CEO's and top level management are no different from anyone else, and are just as capable of prejudice and bias as anyone else.
This is one of the reasons we actively have to work to discuss privilege, and how it blinds us to the situations faced by others who lack it in certain situations and circumstances. This is how we create policies that do not unintentionally disadvantage people of one group or another, and ensures that we always have access to top level talent. ...and even with active diversity training, such people STILL sometimes struggle with blind spots.
This is an unfortunate outcome of culture.
What is perhaps more unfortunate, is that you do not understand how the real world works, and have based your understanding entirely off of supposition from people you have heard about or from books you might have read. Nothing beats real world experience, and that is something that you clearly lack. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 06:07:47
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Originally posted by Aldrick
[quote]Originally posted by Xal Valzar
first u have no idea how buisnessmen do buisness.
just for understanding what general class of business do you run? does it work with the goverment by chacne?
secondly a buisness genius the realms has never seen would not waste time taking over a venture that is not his. and if hes such a genius why does he steal my operation? by the very nature of taking over a property that is not his requires a mind that does not esteem his ability to create. also woundnt he think the extra effort of stealing it and perhaps me geting in his way or me telling on him would be a bad move? so no that would be a completely unbelievable charcter.
also for him to be a business genius more then Xal the DM has to out businiss me, which wont be easy.
thats not how either this world or the world of forgotten Realms works. first there is no collectivist nonsense term such as "system is set up against you". all there is individual people making decisions, in this case i find it hard to believe that people will choose to see malice instead of their own profit. in real life you might see that with people who preach equality and 'social justice', only to see giants fall. though in forgotten realms there is no influence of such blind stupid malice.
as i said individuals make their own choices, those whos choices are influenced by such non-sequitars such as race and not ability are likelier to be vastly poorer then those who dont. since ability is what in the end makes the cut.
and to finnally end the line the race guide in 5e player hand book says that:
Half-Elf. Although many people have never seen a half-elf, virtually everyone knows they exist. A half-elf stranger’s arrival is followed by gossip behind the half-elf's back and stolen glances across the common room, rather than any confrontation or open curiosity.
Half-Orc. It’s usually safe to assume that a half-orc is belligerent and quick to anger, so people watch themselves around an unfamiliar half-orc. Shopkeepers might surreptitiously hide valuable or fragile goods when a half-orc comes in, and people slowly clear out of a tavern, assuming a fight will break out soon.
nothing about outright lynch mobs. anything about that is ur interpretation. which is odd since no mention of KKK type of mentallty is barely seen in Forgotten Realms lore.
well we used the "paladin code" or in 5e and it makes it clear that:
Fight the Greater Evil. Faced with a choice of fighting my sworn foes or combating a lesser evil. I choose the greater evil.
No Mercy for the Wicked. Ordinary foes might win my mercy, but my sworn enemies do not.
By Any Means Necessary. My qualms can’t get in the way of exterminating my foes.
Restitution. If my foes wreak ruin on the world, it is because I failed to stop them. I must help those harmed by their misdeeds.
nothing about a court of law.
btw now you can she why she love so much the capitalistic knight of property rights who gets people work after he frees them from their slavers.
secondly my GF got into gaming because of me, its kind of heavy to get her to read paladins code. not that my DM uses paladins code with 'turn the other cheek' and 'love thy enemies' nonsense.
and if someone commits a morally bad act and acts unprincpled he suffers some damages to mental scores. and the DM makes sure it will come and bite him in the ass.
this obbsesion with racism in FR, which is at least less racist then the real world.
i don't care what experience you have its not real world experience, heck its not even 'real' or 'world' experiences. i explained to you already that if a CEO is to pass a brilliant worker because of his race it is only himself he is screwing, you don't get that in business the only thing that matter is ability. pure and simple.
it has less to do with how u read FR but more with the nonsense liberal narrative that claims that racism is rampant in the culture although we are living in a time that a man from any race can rise to success. there is even a black president of the united states, albiet a horrible one.
"This is one of the reasons we actively have to work to discuss privilege, and how it blinds us to the situations faced by others who lack it in certain situations and circumstances. This is how we create policies that do not unintentionally disadvantage people of one group or another, and ensures that we always have access to top level talent. ...and even with active diversity training, such people STILL sometimes struggle with blind spots."
oh please, to make this work you literally have to invent people coming with lynch mobs, in THE REAL WORLD AND IN A FANTASY WORLD.
so please put ur crazy left wing conspersy theories aside and just talk realms lore.
also im again disgusted by the amount of nonsense that people will make up to add a venere of pluasbilty to their pathetic excuse to control other peoples lives.
dont talk about the race issue in FR, you are clearly biased. also this is spelling to real world stuff which we really should avoid.
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BenN
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 06:35:53
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 07:43:21
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The paladin code you're quoting belong an order that's usually LN or N. With the exception of Sheverash, I can't see the rest of the Seldarine aloowing such brutality.
Your idea that evil is stupid is also contrary to Forgotten Realms lore - or even fictional lore, in general. Bane wouldn't be such a popular deity otherwise, the Zulkirs would have been slapped down long ago, the Twisted Rune would have fractured, the evil deities and their followers would have the Villain Ball stapled to their foreheads, and so on.
In the wider scope of fiction, there's Sauron, who required Eru Iluvatar's indirect intervention to fall, |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 08:59:16
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The paladin code you're quoting belong an order that's usually LN or N. With the exception of Sheverash, I can't see the rest of the Seldarine aloowing such brutality.
Your idea that evil is stupid is also contrary to Forgotten Realms lore - or even fictional lore, in general. Bane wouldn't be such a popular deity otherwise, the Zulkirs would have been slapped down long ago, the Twisted Rune would have fractured, the evil deities and their followers would have the Villain Ball stapled to their foreheads, and so on.
In the wider scope of fiction, there's Sauron, who required Eru Iluvatar's indirect intervention to fall,
well there all backward for the people of this reality's perspective.
hitler invaded russia, dumb ass move. well what about happiness, stuff like honesty? well i cant have that, people are about to discover the truth and i need to make new lies to cover the old one. so now your mind is thinking more and more about covering up.
evil people who found out laws of nature, or magic. sure that might work. but how can u find advanced laws of water while ignoring the nature of man? not bloody likely.
Bane wouldnt be popular but the people who supported him are the ones who give him that power. If people would stand to moral princples and refuse to help the evil things like Bane would not be. Also notice that Bane has the same pattern. Evil gods dont make sturdy alliances. suprise...
the evil is that which is on point agianst the nature of man. Evil can only drain the good until it self destruct. the only way it can thrive is if its victims sanction in it an allow it to go about. As Edmund Bruke observed:
"All that is needed for evil to succed is for good people to do nothing."
he was right! but to put it more correctly, all that is needed for evil to succed is for good people to Sanction it.
think of it, if people defended indivdualism in europe niether National Socialism (Nazi) would happen or ineternational socialism would happen (USSR). stoping millions of death. it wouldnt require great effort, just to sway the culture a bit to the point those ideas area joke.
im not a fan of the sense of whats what in tolkenien writing. it gives the feel of pre christian mythology but in its core the world is much based on Christian mythology. also the theme that evil is powerful and it requires the sacrfice of the good to deter it and on top of that some miracle is worse then any horror game. and that people are to yield to some faith in order to live a good life is horrible. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 09:13:14
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The paladin code you're quoting belong an order that's usually LN or N. With the exception of Sheverash, I can't see the rest of the Seldarine aloowing such brutality.
Your idea that evil is stupid is also contrary to Forgotten Realms lore - or even fictional lore, in general. Bane wouldn't be such a popular deity otherwise, the Zulkirs would have been slapped down long ago, the Twisted Rune would have fractured, the evil deities and their followers would have the Villain Ball stapled to their foreheads, and so on.
In the wider scope of fiction, there's Sauron, who required Eru Iluvatar's indirect intervention to fall,
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 10:02:45
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So your answer to this is to make your heroes paragons and your villains Snidely Whiplash? Does Manshoon lose a point of Intelligence whenever he summons a fiend? Does Eltab suddenly fumble and trip over a rug when he's about to sunder a paladin's shield?
Nevermind, of course, that you've shut your ears to Aldrick, of all posters. He's genuinely trying to help you, but you're so mired in the perfection of your character bringing enlightenment to the clueless heathens that you're interpreeting it as attacks against him, to the point of Godwin's Law. You say that your character is a hero, but what I'm seeing is Lord Flasheart trying to convince people he's Charlemange. |
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Gary Dallison
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Lyiat
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 12:49:50
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What I've gotten from this thread is that Xal is the kind of person who plays every video game he gets on "Easy". He doesn't play games for the challenge, or even the thrill of a good storyline. He wants the experience of saving the day with no real effort involved. He wants some nameless, faceless threat that he can stomp all over so he can feel 'good' about having saved the day. He wants to play an overpowered, twinked out character to validate his sense of superiority to aid him in this task. As such, the Realms is really not the place for him, which features actual competent villains designed to challenge players and engage them in a way to really work towards their victory. To him, Evil is something to be stabbed and shoved aside, a cheap thing easily identified and eradicated. Black and white, clear cut. He doesn't see all the subtle shades of grey the Realms are really made out of, the symphony of things that make it such a vibrant and interesting world to participate in.
Saddening. And, further more, not worth our time. I suggest everyone here abandon thread rather than waste time on someone who clearly doesn't value outside opinion and only wished for an echo chamber to bounce his ideas back to him. |
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Aldrick
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 13:19:51
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Originally posted by Lyiat
What I've gotten from this thread is that Xal is the kind of person who plays every video game he gets on "Easy". He doesn't play games for the challenge, or even the thrill of a good storyline. He wants the experience of saving the day with no real effort involved. He wants some nameless, faceless threat that he can stomp all over so he can feel 'good' about having saved the day. He wants to play an overpowered, twinked out character to validate his sense of superiority to aid him in this task. As such, the Realms is really not the place for him, which features actual competent villains designed to challenge players and engage them in a way to really work towards their victory. To him, Evil is something to be stabbed and shoved aside, a cheap thing easily identified and eradicated. Black and white, clear cut. He doesn't see all the subtle shades of grey the Realms are really made out of, the symphony of things that make it such a vibrant and interesting world to participate in.
Saddening. And, further more, not worth our time. I suggest everyone here abandon thread rather than waste time on someone who clearly doesn't value outside opinion and only wished for an echo chamber to bounce his ideas back to him.
Agreed. I am done here. There is no value in continuing this conversation with Xal.
I pity his DM. This is the type of person that usually gets thrown out of games, or picks up his ball and goes home the moment things do not immediately go his way. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 13:55:37
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Originally posted by Lyiat
What I've gotten from this thread is that Xal is the kind of person who plays every video game he gets on "Easy". He doesn't play games for the challenge, or even the thrill of a good storyline. He wants the experience of saving the day with no real effort involved. He wants some nameless, faceless threat that he can stomp all over so he can feel 'good' about having saved the day. He wants to play an overpowered, twinked out character to validate his sense of superiority to aid him in this task. As such, the Realms is really not the place for him, which features actual competent villains designed to challenge players and engage them in a way to really work towards their victory. To him, Evil is something to be stabbed and shoved aside, a cheap thing easily identified and eradicated. Black and white, clear cut. He doesn't see all the subtle shades of grey the Realms are really made out of, the symphony of things that make it such a vibrant and interesting world to participate in.
Saddening. And, further more, not worth our time. I suggest everyone here abandon thread rather than waste time on someone who clearly doesn't value outside opinion and only wished for an echo chamber to bounce his ideas back to him.
oh please, i play every game on hard and am still bored. you see the biggest power a hero can hold is moral judgment, once he has that his job is quite easy, form more details see Atlas Shrugged.
if you poses said grey vision its not your eyes that are superior its your brain that is inferior. grey would not exist as a concept without the concept before hand of black and white. saying "it is all grey, there is no black and white" makes the cocnept of gray meaningless.
i really couldnt care less about your opinion on these matters. if u have some fact of realms lore then yeah i care. other then that dont get me ur ideas about whats good or bad, they seem completly reversed. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 14:22:47
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Originally posted by Aldrick
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Originally posted by Lyiat
Saddening. And, further more, not worth our time. I suggest everyone here abandon thread rather than waste time on someone who clearly doesn't value outside opinion and only wished for an echo chamber to bounce his ideas back to him.
Agreed. I am done here. There is no value in continuing this conversation with Xal.
I pity his DM. This is the type of person that usually gets thrown out of games, or picks up his ball and goes home the moment things do not immediately go his way.
well if im in a group of people and there dumb enough to waste my ideas i really go elsewhere, and usually they call back asking me to join. oh i wasted my time if anything listening to your distortions. |
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Demzer
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 14:41:30
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Xal, can you give a quick snapshot of the business genius exhibited by your character in game?
It's probably my fault but reading your previous posts it seems all your party did was clear out a bandit camp, free some demihumans slaves and turn them into employees doing ... i don't know what ... and buying a coach ... and putting some armor on two horses and buying a lance for one of your henchmen? |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 14:57:54
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Originally posted by Demzer
Xal, can you give a quick snapshot of the business genius exhibited by your character in game?
It's probably my fault but reading your previous posts it seems all your party did was clear out a bandit camp, free some demihumans slaves and turn them into employees doing ... i don't know what ... and buying a coach ... and putting some armor on two horses and buying a lance for one of your henchmen?
the operation was simple, there is a lost manor with much copper - bronze and even some silver and gold in its ruins. also the manner is falling apart but has good building stones.
now you cant take all of the loot from there granted, and there are slaves - a family of an old women, a middle aged women and her teenage son, they had a farm but the bandits burned it and killed the father.
i tell the family that they can live in the manor as its resident and i will manage their farm to grow back after being burnt, the farm is now mine but they have option to buy it when it can grow crop. this is in exchange for their employment in the manor. the manor is stocked with food and i will pay for living expenses with a sum of 30 gold a month other then that.
in exchange they, and the 3 goblin slaves i also freed, will take apart the bricks of the house that are of no use, also the rubble will also be packed since it can be used in cement. after that they will take other materials in the manor such as copper bronze etc...
after the manor is wiped clean then they will work in making carts and wooden arrows, javelin shafts, crossbow handles, cart and wagon parts.
also the young boy has taken an interest in joining the party and observing them, now he drives the wagon and I teach him how to shoot a crossbow and use a shortsword.
i plan to regrow the farm by planting most corpses of the bandits and orc raiding parties to make the soil rich.
so to sum it up the properties now being held are:
a manor selling bricks, and metals. perhaps rubble to if a near by structure is to be built.
wooden goods, available to be sold en mass and supply the adventures with cheap ammunition.
good farm lands.
an apprentice and wagon lookout.
you can say i sucked the place dry. i see no other angle where a profit could be taken.
also now that we have a wagon and will work in transport we got some horses we use to fight orc raiders and protect the trading wagon on trips. |
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Demzer
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 17:09:32
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Seems awfully impractical on various levels: 5 unskilled workers (out of which only the middle aged women may be fit for it), wandering around a manor that may collapse on their head while they (probalby unsuccessfully) try to remove stones at random (since no one of them knows anything of architecture or structural intergity and the place is a ruin anyway), picking up bronze torch-supports, silver forks and spoons and various other leftover things (or do you expect the goblins and the women to mine the metals? It would be just a little raise in mortality rate at this point) without a smelter, all the while waiting years for the bodies of your victims to decompose to give some nutrients to the soil ...
And all this without taking into account the fact that as soon as you and your party move away for a couple of days the goblins will just kill the women and disappear forever (goblinoids are evil, period, words of Mielikki through R.A. Salvatore in one of his last books if i remember right).
And let's not get into the dangers of adventuring life for a teenage boy used as a lookout by a Orc-elf and a drow (random monster: "Uh! Tasty snack!", random peasant: "they enslaved a little boy!?!? MONSTERS!!!" and no, your 8 CHA won't convince anyone of anything, they'll think the boy is clearly subjugated to your will and that half-elf chick it's a monster-lover so her word it's as good as yours). |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 17:35:59
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Originally posted by Demzer
Seems awfully impractical on various levels: 5 unskilled workers (out of which only the middle aged women may be fit for it), wandering around a manor that may collapse on their head while they (probalby unsuccessfully) try to remove stones at random (since no one of them knows anything of architecture or structural intergity and the place is a ruin anyway), picking up bronze torch-supports, silver forks and spoons and various other leftover things (or do you expect the goblins and the women to mine the metals? It would be just a little raise in mortality rate at this point) without a smelter, all the while waiting years for the bodies of your victims to decompose to give some nutrients to the soil ...
And all this without taking into account the fact that as soon as you and your party move away for a couple of days the goblins will just kill the women and disappear forever (goblinoids are evil, period, words of Mielikki through R.A. Salvatore in one of his last books if i remember right).
And let's not get into the dangers of adventuring life for a teenage boy used as a lookout by a Orc-elf and a drow (random monster: "Uh! Tasty snack!", random peasant: "they enslaved a little boy!?!? MONSTERS!!!" and no, your 8 CHA won't convince anyone of anything, they'll think the boy is clearly subjugated to your will and that half-elf chick it's a monster-lover so her word it's as good as yours).
the middle aged women is the smartest of the bunch so she can coridnate the goblins, the older women will take care of cooking and to some extent cleaning.
the manor stood for more then 200 years and is steady, even when it was unatended it collapesed slowly. and is sure not going to collapse now. its not stones at random, its from the top down, the second floor of the house is entirely useless. so thats not a structural feat really. there are no spoons or such but the basement has a huge copper door and some bronze sacrophegses, also marble false-pillars that might be worth something. there are no metals to mine, only metals to take.
bodies decompose faster if sliced up and wetted. much faster. great for crops to. if still it doesnt decompose u can get a cleric of Chauntee or Moander (i know funny to see them both in the same place) to speed up the process.
no Goblins are not evil, period. Evil qua the context of sentinet biengs means a choice in the face of alternatives that goes against achieving the requirements of life. if no choice is given to them then Evil is not an applicable term. secondly if a bieng was automaticly evil it would mean he would do everything to sabatoge life, all life. his own to and would cease to exist.
secondly no sentinet being can not have free will.
all that is needed to disprove that goblins are evil is for one goblin to be good. and RA Salvatore did write about a good goblin in a short story involving Drizzt. so Mielikki is wrong.
secondly there is no motive for the goblins, who were slaves to disappear forever. this is the best life they ever had now and better then they could imagine.
belive it or not some people actually like my charcter, he seems to them actually human, he has more human features then a half elf even. except the ears you would not guess it. secondly the boy showes enough respect and affection for me that no one thinks hes my slave. most think hes my adopted son, which in a way he is.
secondly hes not a boy anymore, hes a man. now that his father is gone he is charged with protecting his family and he needs to live up to that. the best way for that is for me to show him how. and no he wont be the sole lookout, only when were at cities going to do our buisness. or at day time when my charcter and the party enters Revere.
agian charisma is not a universal convincing score. reasons and arguments are what convinces people. the charcter of the person saying them is non-essential. as evidence that some good people say wrong things and that some bad people say good things.
and the hell does it come that because my charcter is not part of the 'klan' that everyone would go out of their way to put a leg in his way? |
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Lyiat
Seeker
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 17:40:49
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| Demzer, Demzer, Demzer. Stahp. There's nothing to salvage here. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 17:46:25
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hell if you would give one argument and fact that would be something, but i just hear arbitray assertions.
its sad when u are living in a fantasy world and have to change a real fantasy world to be more fantastic.
get real people. then maybe talk to me. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2014 : 17:59:27
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Okay, I think this has gone on long enough. No matter what anyone says, the response is that they are wrong, and it's often delivered in an insulting manner.
We are obviously not getting anywhere with this thread, and after 11 pages, we've not made any progress towards getting anywhere. Accordingly, I'm closing this thread. |
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